Chaosritter said:
000Ronald said:
There's a huge difference between showing someone's less heroic side and showing someone as a human avatar of murder and rape. Which is what I said before.
Avatar of murder and rape, that actually describes it prety well. Read the Koran and you'll come to the same conclusion.
Muhammad preached violence and war, and that's exactly what his followers live.
000Ronald said:
Well, having not read the Koran, I can't speak for Muhammad. I can however, say that Muslims in general are responsible for preserving a great deal of knowledge during the middle ages, especially stuff having to do with math and philosophy. Plus, plenty of Muslims are just good people. So there's that.
Preserving knowledge? Maybe you should read up what happened to the great library of Alexandria after the muslims conquered the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Arabic_sources
I did read that, actually. Most of the article says
Julius Caesar burned it down, on accident. The part you directed me to? Pretty much a footnote at the bottom.
000Ronald said:
By portraying the leader of a people the way they have, and preceeding it by showing his followers, thousands of years later, performing the same things, they are saying that all Muslims are violent thugs at best and avatars of murder and rape at worst. This is called dehumanization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization] and it's the something countries do prior to declaring war. You have much more reason to attack and kill someone if you believe they're going to do you harm even if you don't, y'see.
Uhm, you have seen what's going on in the middle East lately, right?
They
are violent thugs, rapists and murderers, and the holy Koran is their legitimization. Don't you think there is a reason why radical fanatics, who openly promote war, genocide and islamization got the vast majority in every democratic vote in every country of the "arabic spring"?
You should really read the Koran, then you'd know that "God" wants the muslims to fare war against everyone and everything until the entire world is islamic. He wants them to hide their intentions until they grew strong enough in numbers to take over, follow the laws of those they plot against and lie and even deny their faith if it serves their purpose.
Just look what's going on in Thailand, were several cities have a muslim majority. These guys are so out of control that the government thinks about simply leaving the cities to them and allow them to introduce sharia law because everything else would end in a blood bath. Look what's going on in Sweden, Belgium and France.
I know, calling someone a bigot racist is easier than reading through this piece of shit, but the enlightenment about the "religion of peace" is worth it.
I'm aware of all that, yes.
I'm also aware of what happened in Egypt and Libya. Of the
huge organized protests worldwide. I'm aware that the entire world is just starting to drag itself out of a major economic depression, and that more and more people are extremely unsatisfied with their lives. It's like a friend of mine used to say all the damn time; "
I wanna do something!"
See, there's something that's been bugging me for the past...maybe six months now. I couldn't identify quite what it was, but I do now. We're smack-dab in the middle of a
huge transitional period. Culture, technology, economy, government, even the enviornment; if it can change it's changing. What we're moving into, I'm not entirely certain, but the fact that at least a third of the human race has access to the entirety of all human knowledge and piss-easy communication to anyone with the same probably has something to do with it. The tide is flowing in, and carrying with it a roaring wave of change. What a
rational human being would do is do as much as they can to move the tide forward in a way that will mitigate the potential damage.
But you don't see this. You see a bunch of angry Muslims, probably because you've been trained to see angry Muslims over the past ten years by the news media. You see it, and you think, "Those angry Muslims are a problem. We should do something about this." You don't see that it's part of a much,
much larger trend, either because you can't or you don't want to.
I'm not saying that rioting and murdering is a good thing; far from it. What I'm saying is that the problem, although I'm hesitant to call it a problem, is much,
much larger than you make it out to be.
I...that's not what I was going to say. That's not what I wanted to say. I was going to talk about how Muslims you described were the minority, and they make news. What happened? I'm sorry, I have to gather my thoughts for a moment, I'll have a more coherent response eventually.
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