This movie... Is totally going to be on my to-watch list now! Putting it on at our next movie-night!000Ronald said:No.Fappy said:This sounds like one of those things where you really need to see it to believe it. I applaud your efforts, but I don't think any words could likely do this awful film justice.000Ronald said:I've never understood that inclination.Fappy said:Now I want to watch it.
Sorry OP
If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.
What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
Please.
Do not watch this film. I don't want the people who made it saying, "Oh, hundreds of millions of people have watched this film and agreed with it! Are you telling them they're wrong?"
Every person who doesn't watch this film is a victory for humanity, and I'm ashamed to say that. Really I am. But this movie...this movie...
Anything. Literally anything.
Has anyone reviewed Innocence of Muslims yet? No? Well I'm gonna.
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Yeah, I watched it after I heard about all the rioting and it was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. I'm not even Muslim and I was offended.
And so would just about anyone from Old Testament. Picking this stuff out of Quoran is akin to talking about how JHVH punishes His nation and how Jews treat their enemies. Or even their kin ("slay all who worshiped the golden calf" anyone?).Chaosritter said:
So is forgeting that Jews slaved under Egypt for several generation like forgeting that Muhammad won battles without even lifting a sword.
We have to remember that those books were written in a different time under diferent paradigm for human behavior and read them for their message, not historical accuricy and jugement.
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Yeah, sorry OP but I want to watch it too
Might find it for download somewhere, so I don't give it youtube wiev, if that eases your mind a bit
Edit: Also why the heck is it called Innocence of Musilms? Is that supposed to be sacrastic? If so, expect someone to make Innocence of Christians about crusades and witch hunts.
Actually, OP, numerous people have already reviewed it (perhaps not on this site), but everyone says it is the crappiest thing they've ever seen. Production value is laughable at best. And overall it looks like something that was shot by an 8th grader for a school project.
Fun Fact: Only about 2000 people in the entire world even knew of this video's existence (i.e. had watched it on youtube) prior to the 9/11/12 attacks. After these attacks - which were wrongfully blamed on the video as new evidence shows they were coordinated and pre-planned - the video's youtube views skyrocketted with everyone wanting to see what all the hub-bub was supposedly about.
Fun Fact: Only about 2000 people in the entire world even knew of this video's existence (i.e. had watched it on youtube) prior to the 9/11/12 attacks. After these attacks - which were wrongfully blamed on the video as new evidence shows they were coordinated and pre-planned - the video's youtube views skyrocketted with everyone wanting to see what all the hub-bub was supposedly about.
Has anyone reviewed it yet? Well, I think the entirety of the Middle East gave it two thumbs down.
Anyway, we know it's trash, we've only even heard of it because it's controversial. If an equally awful film was made but didn't offend any particular religion, it would quickly vanish.
Anyway, we know it's trash, we've only even heard of it because it's controversial. If an equally awful film was made but didn't offend any particular religion, it would quickly vanish.
This is quite possibly the best reaction to the debate on hate speech I have yet read. My hat is off to you sir.000Ronald said:
RJ 17 said:
Well, I meant anyone on the site. I didn't see anyone do a review of this...y'know, I'm just gonna make up a word. That'll do it. I didn't see anyone do a review of this...sinpult? Sinpult. Sinpult is a noun that means you cannot put the horror of the experience in proper perspective. It can also be used as an adjective. Like colors. I made that up just now. I had to. There was no other way to do it.In Search of Username said:Has anyone reviewed it yet? Well, I think the entirety of the Middle East gave it two thumbs down.
Anyway, we know it's trash, we've only even heard of it because it's controversial. If an equally awful film was made but didn't offend any particular religion, it would quickly vanish.
Anyway, I hadn't seen anyone review this sinpult yet, and I thought I'd take a crack at it, since I'd been to busy to work on any of my other projects. I have regretted nothing else more in my entire life. It will mar my record to the end of my days, and beyond. When I die, and reach the pearly gates, Saint Peter will personally punch me in the face for writing this review. Also for having a "People to Punch In The Face List." Even if I never really punched Ted Nugent or Rod Blasonofabitch in the face.
But yeah, all of you people saying you want to watch this now fills me with terror and shame. Just throwing that out there.
OP - I had never heard of this film until you reviewed it.
On your advice, I shall never see it.
Question though - any idea who made it? Just curious if this is actual hate speechifying, or if it is some sort of bizarre form of the "insult Mohammed to piss off Extremist Muslims" thing.
And speaking of which...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day
And finally, in response to those photos of Muslim Extremists....
Ahem. "Mohammed had intolerant attitudes towards women and probably smelled poorly due to the sanitary conditions of his day making daily bathing impossible."
Bring it, bitches.
[sub]Note: Just to be clear, I have no problem with most Muslims - just those who threaten beheadings. If you are of this faith, and you frequent the Escapist website regularly, then you are likely not the kind of Muslim who threatens beheadings. Thus, I have no beef with you.[/sub]
On your advice, I shall never see it.
Question though - any idea who made it? Just curious if this is actual hate speechifying, or if it is some sort of bizarre form of the "insult Mohammed to piss off Extremist Muslims" thing.
And speaking of which...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day
And finally, in response to those photos of Muslim Extremists....
Ahem. "Mohammed had intolerant attitudes towards women and probably smelled poorly due to the sanitary conditions of his day making daily bathing impossible."
Bring it, bitches.
[sub]Note: Just to be clear, I have no problem with most Muslims - just those who threaten beheadings. If you are of this faith, and you frequent the Escapist website regularly, then you are likely not the kind of Muslim who threatens beheadings. Thus, I have no beef with you.[/sub]
Just to be clear, this is the film that sparked the outrage in the Middle East, right?000Ronald said:
If so, I already decided to not watch it.
Well I wasn't going to watch it, but...now I have this macabre fascination with finding out what was so terrible that you thought terrible was too good for it.
But it doesn't surprise me that it is a piece of s*** as far as movies go. It was a quick way for the film-maker to incite violence from Muslims. And our reliable Muslim friends were quick to reciprocate. Just because I don't think he should die, or because I think recent riots and whatnot have been absolutely inproportionately ridiculously oversensitive, doesn't mean the film-maker isn't a piece of s*** or didn't make a s*** film.
UPDATE: Got to 5:54. If you're reading this, there is nothing you could possibly gain by watching that movie. Go look up the LRR Warning video if you must. It is utter. Shit. And it has no merit whatsoever. Poor exposition, poor chracters, poor plot poor setting poor dialogue poor propspooreditingpoorgreenscreeningpooractingIT'S JUST. POOR.
Although perhaps some of you may sport a wry smile as you watch the comically overdone Muslims maraud through a clinic in what appears to be a parody of Tom and Jerry. Surely there's a Benny Hill version of that somewhere.
Wait, wait no. Not even that is worth it. Do not look it up, do not watch it, it is time wasted.
But it doesn't surprise me that it is a piece of s*** as far as movies go. It was a quick way for the film-maker to incite violence from Muslims. And our reliable Muslim friends were quick to reciprocate. Just because I don't think he should die, or because I think recent riots and whatnot have been absolutely inproportionately ridiculously oversensitive, doesn't mean the film-maker isn't a piece of s*** or didn't make a s*** film.
UPDATE: Got to 5:54. If you're reading this, there is nothing you could possibly gain by watching that movie. Go look up the LRR Warning video if you must. It is utter. Shit. And it has no merit whatsoever. Poor exposition, poor chracters, poor plot poor setting poor dialogue poor propspooreditingpoorgreenscreeningpooractingIT'S JUST. POOR.
Although perhaps some of you may sport a wry smile as you watch the comically overdone Muslims maraud through a clinic in what appears to be a parody of Tom and Jerry. Surely there's a Benny Hill version of that somewhere.
Wait, wait no. Not even that is worth it. Do not look it up, do not watch it, it is time wasted.
welp, you convinced me000Ronald said:No.Fappy said:This sounds like one of those things where you really need to see it to believe it. I applaud your efforts, but I don't think any words could likely do this awful film justice.000Ronald said:I've never understood that inclination.Fappy said:Now I want to watch it.
Sorry OP
If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.
What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
Please.
Do not watch this film. I don't want the people who made it saying, "Oh, hundreds of millions of people have watched this film and agreed with it! Are you telling them they're wrong?"
Every person who doesn't watch this film is a victory for humanity, and I'm ashamed to say that. Really I am. But this movie...this movie...
Anything. Literally anything.
WATCHING THIS.
i honestly hadn't cared to up until this point, but man, you write one persuasive review.
kudos.
OT: watched it...really? people are killing over this?
yes, it's pretty damn bad, yes, it's filled with shit, but if you honestly get that pissed off/find it in ANY POSSIBLE WAY justified killing someone over it, then please, get the fuck off this planet.
Now, please tell me if I missed something there, but you do know that the 13 minutes is just a trailer, right? The full movie was only shown at one screening, I believe.000Ronald said:
This, basically.Chaosritter said:
We live in the western civilized world guys. It's a common fact that one of the fundamental building blocks of our society here is education and spreading of information. Telling people not to go watch a movie which actually has a message it wants to send (even if that message is heavily biased and spoken in an outrageous ways) is directly opposing that very basic value.
Sure you can say the movie is bad, is terribly produced and you can warn us that it is overly biased. The only thing i care about, however, is whether or not the movie can TEACH me something (even if the only teaching it brings is that the producer is an asshole).
I'm intelligent. I can form my own opinion.
And no, i haven't watched it, and i don't plan to. Not because it consider it hate speech (i consider it free speech), but because i don't think that it can teach me anything and therefore isn't worth my time or mental capacity. Others might disagree with that assertion in two ways: they could either argue that I could still learn something from it, or they could argue that even if it can't teach me anything, it can still teach other people. Both are perfectly valid arguments.
Captcha: abra cadabra
Yes, it is.WanderingFool said:
You! You! I've seen you say that a couple of times here and there. And I have a response! Not a jokey, "I have to make up a word, this is so bad" response[footnote]If I were being completely honest, I would say that if I really didn't want you to see this, I would either take down the thread, or would not have posted it in the first place. There's nothing wrong with seeing a bad movie, I just wand you do know it is the worst film made by a man[/footnote], but an actual, rational response.Chaosritter said:
My problem isn't with the factual accuracy of the film; for my money, the question of accuracy is irrelevant. Even if he did sack cities, marry children, commit genocide, torture people, sleep with married women (and maybe men)...that can't be all he did, and that's the problem.
I can accept that revered historical figures did horrible things. FDR interned millions of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Abraham Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus. George Washington killed millions of Native Americans. The problem is those aren't the only things they did. And even when they did do those things, they did it for a reason. This movie? It portrays Muhammad as raping children and sacking cities because he's a Muslim. But he created Islam, so...all followers of Islam are violent thugs, by that logic, which is the logic they use in the film.
That does not follow.
If the film portrayed him as a troubled but ultimately well-meaning individual, that would be fine. But by only portraying the most monstrous things he did, they chose not only to portray him as the mortal avatar of rape and murder, but go so far as to say that all those that follow his religion are no different than him.
This film is meant to make people hate Muslims. And that is wrong.
That's also why complaring this movie to Kingdom of Heaven is bullshit. Yes, The Crusades were terrible, but the point of the film is that there were good people on both sides of the conflict.
I don't believe that for a second, and I won't until I see this supposed film.Da Orky Man said:
Its a catch 22 people in the west have the right to free speech that includes movies but if you make any thing about Mohammad the middle east uproar over 13 minutes of trash. I do not think the blame should be the people who made the film using their right to free speech, but the rioters in the Muslim world acting like a bunch of pansy's over 13 minutes.
Sound advice.
An actress who "starred" in the movie wrote about it here [http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2012/09/a-letter-from-scared-actress.html].
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/
captcha: question everything
sound advice
From what I've gathered, some guy took this video, which was originally about tribes of Egypt fighting over a comet, and dubbed the original voices to make it seem like it's anti-Islam.Bara_no_Hime said:
An actress who "starred" in the movie wrote about it here [http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2012/09/a-letter-from-scared-actress.html].
Meanwhile meanwhile...Scrumpmonkey said:Meanwhile...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/
captcha: question everything
sound advice
The problem here is that most people are stupid and get things mixed up.000Ronald said:
When you want to portray something as right and wrong, you need to clearly separate the two, otherwise people WILL get confused. If you wanted to make a documentary on the Muslim world (or any other religion), portraying both the good and bad things they have done, it would be best to make two separate documentaries that focuses on each (or divide it into two episodes). If you just make one big documentary (or bible, or whatever portrayal you're going for of a religion) that says "Here is Mohammed. He married children, healed people,XXXXX, YYYYY" etc. then many people - especially children - aren't going to be able to sort in what's right or wrong properly.
The justice system works in the same way for that very reason. If you've robbed a bank, the justice system doesn't care if you donated the money to charity, helped out orphans, helped old ladies across the street or whatever good things you did. All it cares about is that you robbed a bank.
I disagree. While I haven't watched it, from what i have read, it seems to me that the effect is rather that people will hate the religion rather than the people behind it (although we once again get into the problem of people getting confused here, and end up hating both). I hate Islam and most religions because of what they represent and all the harm they have caused (and still cause). That doesn't mean i hate muslims.
Finally i don't consider anything wrong with trying to make people hate muslims as long as you aren't using lies. It might be foolish and irrational, but to me it still constitutes free speech. As long as the movie is more or less factually correct (even if the portrayal focuses on the more brutal angle), i don't have a problem with it. Much of the information we get thrown in our head nowadays (not just from the media, but also from mouth-to-mouth) always portrays people or things from the worst (and sometimes best) possible angle.
1) When at a job interview, you always portray yourself from the best possible angle.
2) When someone talks about their ex-boy or girlfriend who cheated on them, he or she isn't likely to to mention all the good things, and instead label that person as a complete asshole or *****.
3) When a politician is talking about his adversary, he will always try to paint them and their work from the worst possible angle.
It's how people portray things, and you might as well get used to it and learn to deal with it. The trick is not to avoid it, because you can't. The trick is to see through it.