Has Dr Who lost it or is it just me?

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I think it's safe to say I'm not a fan.

(Big list of spoilered comments, documenting all my complaints with the first few episodes)

Episode 1:
THAT WAS CRAP!

There was nothing scary, nothing funny, nothing tearjerking, nothing heartwarming, nothing awesome and NOTHING NEW! Previous first episodes have managed at least one of every single type of the above.

That episode is pretty much the worst episode of Doctor Who I have ever watched, and I can even bring a little persepctive to that by saying that in the course of the last couple of weeks I have watched my way through every season of NuWho including all the specials and one offs, and this one was beyond the bottom of the barrel.

Completely assinine and pointless from start to finish and I can only hope that Stephen Moffat actually has something interesting planned for the next few weeks or I may seriously consider just not watching it, which given it has been my only regular tv viewing in the last FIVE YEARS, would be a little unfortunate.

When did Moffat stop being a good writer?

Episode 2:
Eh, shouldn't be the Doctor's kid.

Besides, regeneration is linked to the TARDIS, not the Time Lords themselves.

except that Moffat hasn't shown any inhibitions about throwing out continuity that was established in Season 1 of NuWho to make a point, so God only knows how little he regards canon from the earlier series.

More and more I think that Stephen Moffat should not be writing for the whole series. When he was given someone else's overall series construction to work in he turned in fantastic episodes that really stretched how you thought about the Doctor and Time Travel. Now he's writhing whole series and the last one was a too obvious mess with a threat that was being bludgeoned into our heads so much it got annoying. 'Yes Stephen, I know that there are cracks everywhere in the universe, but when I figured out that it was clearly the TARDIS exploding before you even showed the Doctor pulling that bit out of the crack, you're doing foreshadowing wrong.'

That could well be my problem with this series as well.
'SILENCE WILL FALL'
thirty seconds later
Rory: Even the Roman Empire fell.

Maybe he should have had a neon sign in the background that read 'THIS CONVERSATION IS SIGNIFICANT.'

Moffat can't foreshadow, and so far I don't care about Pond or Williams or Song or the Doctor even half as much as I cared about Rose and Donna and Jack and even bloody Wilfred Mott and Martha. I cared about Mickey more than I care about the main companion.

Episode 3:
I get the feeling I'm not going to like this season very much.

Maybe it's because I just finished watching all of Eccleston through Tenant and realised that Matt Smith really doesn't measure up to either of them as a Doctor, maybe it's because so far every time Moffat has gone for scary it's made me laugh, maybe it's because I think he was at his best when he was an individual episode writer and should not be in charge of the whole thing.

As for this episode, laughable 'villain' with dodgy effects, slow plot that had so many possible resolutions less boring than the one they went with, and the crowning glory:

Mr Moffat, I understand that in a show where the lead character regularly changes actor, it can be hard to create real tension over his death, I do, but the answer is to not to keep giving us 'fake out' deaths with his companions. If you want it to mean something, death has to, well, mean something.

This is the third time I believe I have watched Rory Williams 'die'. If you're not going to let one stick, then don't keep showing me those scenes. I wasn't even remotely emotionally involved in the ending scene, because I just wanted to wait the requisite thirty seconds to see if he'd really do it or not. And when I'm counting down the moments until he 'miraculously' breathes again and comes back, then you're not doing your job very well.

Thank you Mr Moffat, please improve, because Doctor Who was doing so well until you took over.

EDIT: And I nearly forgot

STOP WITH THE FUCKING ODD!

They will never be as good as The End of Time, so don't even try, because you will fail as hard as when you failed at bringing the Weeping Angels back (God I hated that episode.)

Episode 4:
I got really bored watching the episode, I have to admit. I'm starting to feel now that my antipathy towards New NuWho is less the writing and more the actors. David Tenant could make you weep with the subtlest change in facial expression, but Matt Smith can't move me with the most beautifully written lines from the hand of a master poet.

Also, really Mr Gaiman, do you have to do the insane writing on walls thing? Again? That trope is so dead it's rotted to bones in a six foot grave scrawled with the letters 'This trope is dead' in its own blood.

Interesting to see someone directly commenting on the budgetry restraints though. I learned a while ago that Doctor Who literally can't survive on the budget they're given by the BBC, they have to make it all up in revenue. Which explains why a quarter of the episode was Rory and Amy running down the exact same hallway eight or nine times. Yeah you could call it an homage to the old season but when the 'homage' is to one of the things that got Doctor Who ridiculed back in the day you really shouldn't be bringing it back again.

Basically I thought the 5th NuWho season was alright, but nothing special. But then I hadn't really gotten into Tenant until a little later, so I thought I'd give it time. The last four episodes have made me rage more than anything else recently.

Bad acting, bad writing, terrible pacing, River Song is the most annoying character ever written, and I include Jar Jar and Navi in that description.

I'm laughing at myself a little here as well because I was quick to label the first episode as the worst I had ever seen. Clearly I wasn't thinking low enough for where it could sink. I think my biggest problem though is that Moffat is not a season runner. He's an individual episode writer and works best when someone else is telling him what to do.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Darth Sea Bass said:
So the new series of Dr Who has started and i watched the first episode and i was losing interest before the end of the episode and i've pretty much been forcing myself to watch it since.

So my question is am i the only one not loving the new series and if not why do you think it's lost appeal?
You didn't like "The Doctor's Wife"?

I think the problem is with you. It was sublime.
Wow, elegant.
"If you don't agree with me there's something wrong with you."

The episode is terrible because:
A. It takes place outside the universe for absolutely no reason. No awesome messing around with the laws of physics, it was just to annoy people who are interested in that kind of stuff.

B. The soul of the tardis is put in a body and the soul of a planet is put in the tardis.

WHAT?!?!

C. Both characters that shouldn't be there are completely silly. More potential missed.

D. He builds a new tardis? That's fine until you remember that one episode where the tardis is set up to be the most powerful thing in the universe and if it were destroyed then the universe would go with it. So I suppose that ones just better.
How?
Shut up, that's how.

E. That random stuff in the middle with Amy and the idiot made no sense. It's the soul of a planet it can't cause visions.

Those are the main things and I won't go into details cause I'd be here all night.

Oh yeah, also a random Ood that does nothing oody and disappears for most of it. It's just there. You could have had a cyberman and it would have been the same.
 
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BaconPunch said:
Wow, elegant.
Why, thank you
"If you don't agree with me there's something wrong with you."
That's not very nice. I actually said "If you're asking me whether it's just you or the millions of other viewers, I'd have to side on the millions because it was very good.
The episode is terrible because:
Wow...elegant.
A. It takes place outside the universe for absolutely no reason. No awesome messing around with the laws of physics, it was just to annoy people who are interested in that kind of stuff.

B. The soul of the tardis is put in a body and the soul of a planet is put in the tardis.

WHAT?!?!

C. Both characters that shouldn't be there are completely silly. More potential missed.

D. He builds a new tardis? That's fine until you remember that one episode where the tardis is set up to be the most powerful thing in the universe and if it were destroyed then the universe would go with it. So I suppose that ones just better.
How?
Shut up, that's how.

E. That random stuff in the middle with Amy and the idiot made no sense. It's the soul of a planet it can't cause visions.

Those are the main things and I won't go into details cause I'd be here all night.

Oh yeah, also a random Ood that does nothing oody and disappears for most of it. It's just there. You could have had a cyberman and it would have been the same.
A: It's outside of the universe so the Time-Lords couldn't mess with it. House even says that.
B: Yeah, and? How many other science fiction programmes have had body-swap episodes? Is it "all of them"?
C: I've no idea what you're talking about here.
D: That episode doesn't actually exist. What you're talking about is the Eye of Rassilon, which was retconned into the Heart of the Tardis, rather than the Tardis herself. It was also used to restart the Big Bang.
And TARDIS's are usually grown, not built.
E: You know what the soul of a planet can do? Who's being silly now.

You could have had a Cyberman. You had an Ood instead. That's hardly a reason to dislike it.

If you want to completely ignore the sheer wonder, relevance to the entire back history between them, the love story between man and machine, the ongoing pregnancy, Gaiman's wonderful word usage and simply look at it in the HARD FACTS OF THE DAY...it's still way better than the abominations that were spewed up by Ripoff T Davies.

Because all of your points have explanations.

And 6.09 million viewers.

So, if it's 1 or 2 versus 6 million, my money stays on the sublime side.
 

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Everyone praises Tennant's Doctor and how Smith's Doctor is a disgrace because of how different and odd he is, but I felt the same way when Tennant took over after Eccleston. It was very wierd and I was a little sad. One of Tennant's early lines was something like, "Hmmm. New teeth. That's strange." But as time moved on I really felt as if 10 was a continuation from 9.

I think the problem with Matt's Doctor is that there was no continuation. I watch episodes with 9 or 10 and I can imagine Tennant being the Doctor in 9 or Eccleston being the Doctor in 10. I can't see Smith doing either of those. Sure there are a few continuity nods with Smith and I can't say I don't like his Doctor but when compared to 9 and 10, 11 has a lot to live up to.

I like Rory more than Smith's Doctor. How strange is that? With that said, I do enjoy this season, I just don't see Smith as the same Doctor. Heck we know all of the other Doctors don't really make it past 5 years, but we know 11 is going to live over 200 years without regeneration? without aging? We know Timelords age. it happened to 10 when The Master messed with the Doctor. Heck, 1 was old.

I don't know how to wrap this up anymore but I'll say this: We can't properly judge 11 until we see 12.

But I will say: 9 was fanTAStic, 10 was briiiiilliant, 11 likes his fez...
 

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Welcome to the club, buddeh.
This is the third reason I dislike the Matt Smith's Dr Who
This is the second reason I dislike the Matt Smith's Dr Who
This is the first reason I dislike the Matt Smith's Dr Who

And this is one thing I like about Matt Smith's Dr Who
 

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If anything I find Smith to be better than Tennant. Plus Moffat and his boys put that drama queen Davies to shame.
 

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Canadish said:
Also paints a bad picture on the Americans really...
The Doctor uses weapons - American viewers go up.
(I know it'll be more than that, but just an observation)
Do you understand how advertisement works? It has nothing to do with weapons, it has everything to do with BBC America becoming bigger and more relevant, which means, the BBC's biggest show is naturally going to be BBC America's (as well as having the best time slot).

OT: I trailed off watching last season because it was just bad. The premises were fine; the writing was atrocious. What really did it for me was the terrible two part weeping Angel show. Way to take something amazing and crap all over it.
 

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I completely disagree. Seasons 5 (31) and 6 (32) so far have been the two best seasons of nu-who.

People (understandably) miss David Tennant, and also the oversentimental slush of RTD. But this and the last season have been better-written, Matt Smith is perfect, and in my mind it is all just generally closer to the spirit of what DW should be.
 

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Smith's Doctor is the closest NuWho Doctor to Hartnell, who is one of my favourites. Rory is brilliant and Amy's character seems to be developing nicely since she got hitched. The eye patch lady looks interesting. Curse of the Black Spot was iffy, I'll give you that. If anything Sdries 5 and 6 are better than Series 2 and 3 (not hating on Tennant, I just didn't like most of those stories). The Doctor's Wife and Rebel Flesh were excellent, the former being one of my favourite stories period.

Eh. I like it. *shrug*
 
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I enjoyed season 5. It wasn't the BEST season, but it certainly wasn't the worst, either. (That honor goes to 4 as far as I'm concerned, though it still had some of my favorite episodes ever) As far as this season goes...I'm enjoying it. I'm cautiously optimistic. I want to see where they're going with this, but if they don't do it right....Yeah, I'll probably be lighting up my torch with the rest of you.

My one complaint about the last two seasons (5&6) is that the foreshadowing of the finale isn't NEARLY as subtle. In season's 1-4, you reeeeaaally had to pay attention to pick up on it (Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Saxon, and missing planets, respectively) but in 5 and 6, it's rubbed right in your face. And that bugs me.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
BaconPunch said:
A: It's outside of the universe so the Time-Lords couldn't mess with it. House even says that.
B: Yeah, and? How many other scienve fiction programmes have had body-swap episodes? Is it "all of them"?
C: I've no idea what you're talking about here.
D: That episode doesn't actually exist. What you're talking about is the Eye of Rassilon, which was retconned into the Heart of the Tardis, rather than the Tardis herself. It was also used to restart the Big Bang.
And TARDIS's are usually grown, not built.
E: You know what the soul of a planet can do? Who's being silly now.

You could have had a Cyberman. You had an Ood instead. That's hardly a reason to dislike it.

If you want to completely ignore the sheer wonder, relevance to the entire back history between them, the love story between man and machine, the ongoing pregnancy, Gaiman's wonderful word suage and simply look at it in the HARD FACTS OF THE DAY...it's still way better than the abominations that were spewed up by Ripoff T Davies.

Because all of your points have explanations.

And 6.09 million viewers.

So, if it's 1 or 2 versus 6 million, my money stays on the sublime side.

No you didn't say "If you're asking me whether it's just you or the millions of other viewers, I'd have to side on the millions because it was very good."
You said "I think the problem is with you. It was sublime."

A. Well time lords can mess with it, the actual episode is proof of that.

B. This isn't body swap. This is if your car were a stranger and the earth were your car. Then it tried to kill you.

C. Well the inanimate objects are the characters that shouldn't be there. Lady Tardis is just stupid and spontanious, which I liked because it had potential for a kind of warped growth from a child idea. But then she spends a few minutes in jail and suddenly she's just weird. The earth is some kind of dilusional, murderous maniac who just wants to kill for no reason, which doesn't really make any sense.

D. Ok, fair enough. I suppose I don't know as much trivia as I think.

E. So you're claiming that just because you don't know what it can do, it can do anything. I understand what you mean but there's a fine line between imaginative and just plain silly.

Well, if you're going to have a reference to another episode at least make it relevant. There's no point in just having a dalek in the background of every other episode, it would just mean that when they do something nobody cares anymore.

Also, I'm fine with having messages and art and such within programs and such but until recently that's wasn't a part of Dr. Who. That generally seems to be best done in books.
 

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Personally I hate Matt Smith as the doctor. I know no one can ever actually look the doctors real age but Matt Smith looks and acts like a 12 year old. In my opinion season 5 was boring. Really, really, really boring. And this season is no different. Alot of people say what a great writer Steven Moffat is but I think that all of his episodes have been very boring both when he RTD was running the show and even more so now.

Also I hate Rory. The guy is a useless douche. He just pisses me off so much.

I also hate river song.

Also was it just me or in the last episode of season 5 did nothing really happen. It felt like a 10 min episode stretched so it could go on for 45.
 

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I think its great they've taken it in a new direction. It's given them a chance to try new things and play with new concepts that they might not have gotten away with during David Tennant's time. Things like having a soul within the TARDIS with an overarching theme that is generally darker exemplify this experiment. While not all of it has worked for some people, I think its a neccesary experiment to keep Doctor Who fresh.
 

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Your mileage may vary, mate. MY mileage is that the series is great and that the weak link in all the chain was Peter Davison. However, I do not hate the man. He had the misfortune of having to follow Tom Baker is all and it's a tough act to follow indeed.

Suffice to say, I like the new stuff. All of it.
 

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I like the new series, like the new Doctor.
It's definitely steering away from more family orientated stories and moving into a surreal serious arc. I like that though, there's not many serious Sci-Fi shows out there. Whilst Dr Who has its humour it does keep me wanting more..

It is, however a different show to one where mannequins are coming alive and eating people... Also There's not enough future episodes (Probably due to budget restraints) and that's pissing me off.
 
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BaconPunch said:
No you didn't say "If you're asking me whether it's just you or the millions of other viewers, I'd have to side on the millions because it was very good."
You said "I think the problem is with you. It was sublime."
In answer to: "am i the only one not loving the new series"
A. Well time lords can mess with it, the actual episode is proof of that.

B. This isn't body swap. This is if your car were a stranger and the earth were your car. Then it tried to kill you.

C. Well the inanimate objects are the characters that shouldn't be there. Lady Tardis is just stupid and spontanious, which I liked because it had potential for a kind of warped growth from a child idea. But then she spends a few minutes in jail and suddenly she's just weird. The earth is some kind of dilusional, murderous maniac who just wants to kill for no reason, which doesn't really make any sense.

D. Ok, fair enough. I suppose I don't know as much trivia as I think.

E. So you're claiming that just because you don't know what it can do, it can do anything. I understand what you mean but there's a fine line between imaginative and just plain silly.

Well, if you're going to have a reference to another episode at least make it relevant. There's no point in just having a dalek in the background of every other episode, it would just mean that when they do something nobody cares anymore.
A: They can't mess with it normally. That's why House ate them.
B: It's a body swap episode. It goes alongside "What if they were small", "Who is their evil twin" and a number of widely used tropes.
C: The inanimates are caretakers who trap TimeLords. Idris was wonderful given that she's much older than the Doctor, but never had his frame of reference. And House is just a shark...or a cat.
D/E: I'm saying you can't deny it things, but there should be a reasonable explanation. Given House has already shown mind control and the TARDIS has known polymorphing, then fucking with Amy's mind isn't unfeasible at all.

And as Freud might say, sometimes an Ood is just an Ood.

And sometimes, it's explained why later...

Also, I'm fine with having messages and art and such within programs and such but until recently that's wasn't a part of Dr. Who. That generally seems to be best done in books.
Can I just suggest you go back and look at The Green Death - Environmentalism, The Curse of Fenric - Pollution, and many many other episodes.

Davros and the Daleks are very unsubtle Nazis, and always have been.

I don't mind if you didn't like the episode, but I really enjoyed it and so did a LOT of others. Attacking it while pushing forward others that were far worse does get my blood pumping though.

Note how it was "I think the problem...", I'm not saying I'm right. Just that I'm right for me. I've enjoyed this season as much as some of the earlier Tom Baker episodes, and a lot more than some of the crummier DT episodes.
 

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I'm not a huge expert on classic Doctor Who, but from what I have seen of it, the two seasons starring Matt Smith are the closest thing yet to the old series. I get the feeling that the people who hate him so much wouldn't like classic Who either. Anybody have any thoughts?
 

IndianaJonny

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The running themes seem a little less subtle with the Matt Smith run; we're having 'Pandorica', 'Silence' and Eyepatch lady shoved in our faces whereas Eccleston's 'Bad Wolf' on the other hand...I don't mind saying that blew me away when it was finally revealed.

Oh, and I think Matt Smith might be the first Doctor since the reboot who could pull off the 'jelly baby', ah well.
 

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I love the new series. That said, I do believe that we need to see matt smith go super time-lord soon and do something like Tennant did in "family of blood" so he's more than just a quirky guy. Get some time-lord rage and suppressed warrior rage and I will be satisfied.

Also, I see easy explanations to all of the "plot holes" that people mention (other than the 200 year aging thing...that's just weird)

finally, get over the damn angels. Yes I know that Blink was the best episode of the new series and whatnot but the new one was fine and gave a better insight as to how the weeping angels work.

besides, if you want to rant about something you should rant about the Ood. they were fantastic in Tennants season and they were heavily tied to him. DON'T USE ANY MORE OOD.

P.S. why are there greek letters in captcha and how do you even make a sigma sign?