Has PC always been ahead of console in all generation?

[TheGamerElite33]

So my friends, there are lot of people believe that consoles in 90s were better gaming. most of ppls nastolgic about it. and say console 90 gaming was peak of gaming. how amaizing it was, industry would not be without them but i beg to differ. Console gaming in 90s were great because it was pure console gaming not dumbed down PC gaming

but take a look at from begining

Early 90s


PC:

Console:

both games were release at same years. PC gaming was already 3D at the time. Playstation 1 didnot create 3d graphics

1998 arguably the best year ever.

PC:

Look at Half life 1. and than thief. Halflife 1 was ahead of its time. it was 1998 graphics king too. but in a term of gameplay level design it was very much ahead of its time. and thief was best and most revolutionary stealth game of ever

same year we see

Console:

now look at console games of 1998. they definetely were best console games of 1998 but cant hold a candle against Half life or thief. and from the look of it they feel like generation behind. and i remember on MGS1 dead body disapear after you shot someone. this thing were never happen in thief.

now lets move to 2007 which was another one of the greatest year and what we see?

Console:

Console shooter that is scripted, linear, regen health and nothing but corridor crawler

PC:

PC shooters were creative, have exploration, not scripted and push genre forward.

theres lot more example but im too lazy for more. so ppls does that evidence that console always generation behind PC?

discuss

 

[tippy2k2]

Oh Hey Console Versus PC Flame war. It's been like...half a day since we've seen you around here. Anything new going on? No?...yeah, I suppose it's only been half a day since we've seen you.

Can you go ahead and guess how much I care if the PC is the "technical" better system? Go on, I'll give you three guesses but I think you can get it in one...

Some people like gaming on the PC. Some people like gaming on the console. You'll have to forgive me if I find the digital dick measuring contest a little silly...

 

[Rozalia1]

The platform wars aren't real and neither is Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Pat Patterson's win of the Intercontinental title in a tournament in Brazil. Performers don't actually want to kill each other in the ring, its scripted.

Anyway lets see all the issues here. An obvious and biased assessment by a known exclusive PC only guy, screenshots comparing different genres of games, screenshots comparing games from different years, using linear as a bad trait, and using graphics as bullet points everywhere except the final bit as BioShock looks better than your PC examples.

Some people like gaming on the PC. Some people like gaming on the console. You'll have to forgive me if I find the digital dick measuring contest a little silly...

And there are people who game on both and tire of these constant my camp is better than your camp threads. The Escapist is a PC majority site so why such people find the need to preach to the choir is odd to say the least (perhaps to reinforce insecurities they possess, I mean that is their explanation of the "consoles wars" after all).

 

[briankoontz]

I'm not particularly biased or bitter so I'll point out the usual suspects by saying that PCs and consoles each have their strengths and weaknesses, although these days PCs are really taking over.

The biggest strength of consoles was their ease-of-use and their games' lack of bugginess, but for a while now PC games have been remarkably bug-free and playing games on a computer is likewise way easier than back in the day when you practically had to be a computer scientist to get some games to run.

You can even use console-type controllers on the PC, and PCs are as cheap as consoles (nothing like how things were in the 1990s), so there isn't a whole lot of point to consoles anymore.

More game publishers seem to be leaning toward excluding PCs from development though, so if that continues exclusive games would be a big reason to get a console.

 

[MysticSlayer]

Wasn't part of what drew some of the early id guys together was that John Carmack found out how to compensate for the lack of power computers had compared to the NES? I'd say that that at least indicates that consoles were, for a time, ahead of PCs. I also believe that at the time that we began switching over to the Xbox 360 (2005), some developers were wondering how long it would take for the average PC to catch up.

Also, are you aware that you used a BioShock 2 image for BioShock?

Anyways, I really don't care. I enjoy both PC and console, and so long as the aesthetics of the console game are good, I don't care much for how the graphical fidelity might be a little behind. Actually, I personally think the Halo screenshot is the best looking of all of those simply because it has such a beautiful aesthetic.

And also:

Console shooter that is scripted, linear, regen health and nothing but corridor crawler

Have you ever played BioShock or Halo? Besides, you seem to have conveniently missed the fact that Oblivion gave us a good, open world with non-scripted experiences on consoles even before BioShock and Halo 3 came around.

 

[Evonisia]

Halo 3 is a corridor crawler. Uses BioShock 2 image to represent BioShock 1. I don't think I need any more evidence that the OP has never played these games, and probably hasn't even watched them through a Let's Play or something.

Just going by your example where Doom was compared to Sonic. Doom was not full 3D and we all know it.

As for the actual topic. No. PC was playing catch up to consoles at the start of the Seventh Generation, that's without even going back to the previous ones.

Captcha: Until next time.

How fitting.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

I wonder why the hell these threads even exist, we've had at least 5 threads in one month alone each being different ways and methods of a PC vs Console war, it's getting beyond stale and annoying, I game on both and I'm getting sick and tired of this little charade because all this thread tells me is:

1. it's a dick measuring contest pure and simple

2. It's born out of one's insecurities

3. It's designed to spark no actual discussion but to bait and cause a flame war.

Every time a thread like this is created it always ends with it dragging on and into a heated pointless debate and ends up getting locked, locked threads mean the thread was shit, caused annoyance and didn't bear anything fruitful, we should be making more positive threads to discuss both platforms and our interests, not drive people to the edge of insanity because a few douchebags couldn't get their head on straight and get the platform hate out of their system.

There should be some new kind of rule because it's becoming obvious that this site isn't strict enough since all we're getting most of the time is SJW/anti female bullshit and then we have the ever prominent PC vs console crap, it needs to be stopped because it's never adding to discussion since 99% of the time it's added deliberate hatred towards some people.

Why can't we all just be multiplatformers?, I've noticed that a few exist here and I am one myself, I see no need for such a thread because neither camp is better than the other, they both have their own qualities and people like those different qualities, that ends discussion right there because that's it.

Also I'm going to talk to a mod about this, this is getting out of hand and it's doing nothing but dividing us.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

short answer:

lol no

longer answer:

back in the day, consoles were quite a bit different in what pc's offered. there wasn't necessarily a direct comparison, as plug n play couldn't have been more simple while some (if not most) pc games could be one hell of a pain in the ass to get going on your computer. If anyone wants to complain about bugs or CTD's these days, they would explode at the horrific days of the early 90's on the computer.

also I have to laugh at your examples, I'm pretty much 80-90% a PC guy now, but all the PC games you picked I find to be absolute snoozefests, while all the console games were a ton of fun and I would pick them in a heartbeat over the crap you just glorified.

 

[Rozalia1]

I wonder why the hell these threads even exist, we've had at least 5 threads in one month alone each being different ways and methods of a PC vs Console war, it's getting beyond stale and annoying, I game on both and I'm getting sick and tired of this little charade because all this thread tells me is:

1. it's a dick measuring contest pure and simple

2. It's born out of one's insecurities

3. It's designed to spark no actual discussion but to bait and cause a flame war.

Every time a thread like this is created it always ends with it dragging on and into a heated pointless debate and ends up getting locked, locked threads mean the thread was shit, caused annoyance and didn't bear anything fruitful, we should be making more positive threads to discuss both platforms and our interests, not drive people to the edge of insanity because a few douchebags couldn't get their head on straight and get the platform hate out of their system.

There should be some new kind of rule because it's becoming obvious that this site isn't strict enough since all we're getting most of the time is SJW/anti female bullshit and then we have the ever prominent PC vs console crap, it needs to be stopped because it's never adding to discussion since 99% of the time it's added deliberate hatred towards some people.

Why can't we all just be multiplatformers?, I've noticed that a few exist here and I am one myself, I see no need for such a thread because neither camp is better than the other, they both have their own qualities and people like those different qualities, that ends discussion right there because that's it.

Also I'm going to talk to a mod about this, this is getting out of hand and it's doing nothing but dividing us.

You have my support in stopping these threads being made. A few sites have it as a rule that they'll lock any thread made with the obvious intent to indulge in this platform wars nonsense as no good comes from them.

 

[Mikeybb]

My love of pc and 'glorious master race' card make me want to say yes immediately, but I don't think that would be fair.

What I do think is that the two states are fluid and there are periods when one outshines the other.
Particularly when a console generation is at the very beginning of its life or reaching the end of it.

However, it seems that in pc gaming there are incidences of innovation starting there.
It's not always the case that pc is where it starts, but it seems to be a readily used testbed for new ideas and quite a few of them start on pc and transition to console.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Tru dat. Best faction is all faction.

But seriously, as a gamer that usually plays on PC, this thread makes me wanna pick up some more games for my PS4 and Wii U

Exactly, being a multi platformer means there's no hatred, there is only harmony because there is no allegiance to one faction let alone the feeling of wanting to disparage from either side, we aren't people that gate ourselves off from what we desire and in turn we don't see the primal defense of having to make the opposite look like total shite in order to make the single choice look greater, I just don't see the reason to do that, if anything doing that gates you off socially as well seeing as how a singular platform person wouldn't want to interact with the other side and in the end wouldn't need to and that itself is it's own self created problem.

Sure I may not own a top of the line PC but that's also on my list as well as grabbing a Wii U, XB1 and eventually PS4 down the line, all of them are offering/going to offer me something I'd want, the Wii U is doing that first on the list thanks to E3, MS afterwards and Sony down the line while I wait for more RTS games to come out which is slowly starting to look like a nice reality seeing as how we have PA now, grey goo on the way and a couple more in indie space.

Did I mention I love RTS?, because that's really my most favorite genre on PC, we should make a thread talking positively about our favorite genres and what we play them on, I can't see that going down the route this one is going since we're not comparing apples to oranges =D.

You have my support in stopping these threads being made. A few sites have it as a rule that they'll lock any thread made with the obvious intent to indulge in this platform wars nonsense as no good comes from them.

It would be nice to form some Korra style "equalists" group but I doubt that would fly and I have seen multiple sites that have that "no PC vs console" rule, I just don't get why the ES hasn't bothered with it because this site may be roughly 80% PC but it's mostly seen as universal media site, PC gamer is full of the PC only kind, not even multi platformers are welcome there and they do what they want so there's plenty of space there for PC only's here to go there and post as many threads to their hearts content and preach to the endless choir without fear of a differing opinion, here it's different, they have to realize that this is not PC only space, it's universal and we are to welcome it that way, it's only 80% PC only because PC only's drove people away and Yahtzee became the "PC master race" icon that also happened to gather more PC only's thus creating a cesspool of hate, I don't mind Yahtzee at all, I love his videos but I will forever hate what he created that one day, the day he added to the needless console vs PC war bullcrap.

I would love to advise to the owners of the site/mods to make such a rule but part of me is thinking it won't fly because it's more easier to accommodate and pander to 80% and drive away the rest and create the burned image that console/multi formers aren't welcome if the other side isn't to be kept in check, this site used to be different when I joined back in 2010, back then it was decent, plenty of good discussion threads and no SJW crap, now it's all cynical threads.

At least a user here heard my opinion on how cynical this place has gotten and created a positive thread, I truly respect people that can take note and act like that, he actually wants to keep things positive and created a thread to show it rather than like the op who's comment and thread history has done nothing but show hate and contempt towards the console space and it really shows and shows lack of effort and grammar.

I thank both of you though for replying to me in kind even though I'm showing my own display of being cynical, i just wish things were more positive around here because constant repeating threads like this can down one's mood when visiting here or opening the inbox.

 

[votemarvel]

I struggle see to see a real difference between a console and a PC these days.

Most of what I do on my PC I can also do on my Xbox 360 and Xbox One. Games obviously. Document writing by using the online version of office at OneDrive.com. I can listen to my music on Amazon's cloud player by using the Internet Explorer app. Heck on the One I can listen to my music from Amazon while playing a game, sure it's got to be snapped and I get a smaller screen but it works.

Really it boils down to what sort of PC do you want.

 

[MysticSlayer]

it's only 80% PC only because PC only's drove people away and Yahtzee became the "PC master race" icon that also happened to gather more PC only's thus creating a cesspool of hate, I don't mind Yahtzee at all, I love his videos but I will forever hate what he created that one day, the day he added to the needless console vs PC war bullcrap.

Actually, when Yahtzee originally made the comment [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher], it was more a joke making fun of PC gamers rather than holding them up on a pedestal. Heck, much of the video was basically him saying that PC gamers, due to their elitist attitude, have no sense of good game design.

 

[SanguiniusMagnificum]

Oh God, not again....

I, filthy console peasant, submit myself to the rule of the Glorious PC Gamer master race.

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Is that what you wanted to hear? Yes? All right, now go and do something productive instead of making the same old boring threads on the same old boring subject. And work on your English. And stop sucking S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s proverbial dick ( no, seriously, every time you post something it has to include how fantastic and awesome S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is compared to every other game), it's doing well enough for itself.

/Rant

 

[Artaneius]

it's only 80% PC only because PC only's drove people away and Yahtzee became the "PC master race" icon that also happened to gather more PC only's thus creating a cesspool of hate, I don't mind Yahtzee at all, I love his videos but I will forever hate what he created that one day, the day he added to the needless console vs PC war bullcrap.

Actually, when Yahtzee originally made the comment [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher], it was more a joke making fun of PC gamers rather than holding them up on a pedestal. Heck, much of the video was basically him saying that PC gamers, due to their elitist attitude, have no sense of good game design.

I kind of have to disagree and find it actually the opposite for those with elitist attitudes. Usually those with elitist attitudes tend to be the ones who actually play games the most and are the ones with the sense of good game design. They play for hundreds if not thousands of hours finding out every nook and cranny in each game they like to play. Just like many elitists in the real world, that elitism attitude comes from the fact that they spend more time, work, and effort into things more than the majority. People should have pride in themselves if they are better than others in things... not ashamed or called "tryhards". Never understood why people hate elitism so much. Life is always going to have a social hierarchy in everything and that includes video games. Best get used to it now.

 

[MysticSlayer]

And work on your English. And stop sucking S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s proverbial dick ( no, seriously, every time you post something it has to include how fantastic and awesome S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is compared to every other game), it's doing well enough for itself.

I'd say the fact that we aren't getting a sequel and the fact that the developers had to close down is a sign that it didn't do that well. It has a rabid fan base, but that doesn't mean that it was a financial success. Granted, some team members managed to form a new company that is working on a spiritual successor to S.T.A.L.K.E.R., but without some sort of miracle, the series is effectively dead, so I wouldn't say that it is "doing well enough for itself."

 

[Strain42]

I mean MAYBE in terms of graphics and stuff, but I'd take something like an NES or even an Atari where you just plug in a single cartridge and go over something like an Apple II or C64 where you constantly had to swap out discs to finish games (and yes, I'm aware there are multi-disc console games as well, but I didn't play many of those and you usually had several hours on each disc)

 

[MysticSlayer]

it's only 80% PC only because PC only's drove people away and Yahtzee became the "PC master race" icon that also happened to gather more PC only's thus creating a cesspool of hate, I don't mind Yahtzee at all, I love his videos but I will forever hate what he created that one day, the day he added to the needless console vs PC war bullcrap.

Actually, when Yahtzee originally made the comment [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher], it was more a joke making fun of PC gamers rather than holding them up on a pedestal. Heck, much of the video was basically him saying that PC gamers, due to their elitist attitude, have no sense of good game design.

I kind of have to disagree and find it actually the opposite for those with elitist attitudes. Usually those with elitist attitudes tend to be the ones who actually play games the most and are the ones with the sense of good game design. They play for hundreds if not thousands of hours finding out every nook and cranny in each game they like to play. Just like many elitists in the real world, that elitism attitude comes from the fact that they spend more time, work, and effort into things more than the majority. People should have pride in themselves if they are better than others in things... not ashamed or called "tryhards". Never understood why people hate elitism so much. Life is always going to have a social hierarchy in everything and that includes video games. Best get used to it now.

I think it depends on what type of elitist you are talking about. I've run into plenty of elitists that believe any streamlining is "dumbing down" the game, and while I can understand that sentiment to a degree, it often means that they overlook just how unintuitive the older systems were. At the same time, anyone who uses graphical fidelity as the sole measure of worth is sort of overlooking the other more important aspects of design.

Yeah, there are elitists that are sort of justified in their position and they are just incredibly passionate about the actual design of the game. At the same time, though, there are also the elitists that are so concerned about complexity and graphical fidelity that they fail to really look at the actual design.