Has the general reputation of Bronies gotten worse or is it just me?

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Berithil

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Honestly, the whole Twilight-Alicorn fiasco made me reexamine the fanbase. About a month and half/ two months ago, we were cut off from the internet for several weeks. That absence sorta... I don't know... realigned my perspective of all things internet based. When I finally got back on, I looked at the whole thing with a slightly less bias POV, and what I saw was not the neat, creative, kind-hearted group of fans that the fanbase (arguably) was originally.

I still like the show, and I still hang out in the Pony chat groups when I get online (though some recent drama has left a sorta bad taste in my mouth...) but my whole view on the Brony fandom is definitely different from what I started with over two years ago (has it really been that long? 0.O)
 

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Snotnarok said:
Honest reason I think there's a lot of hate: It's oversaturated online, everywhere you go you see my little ponies, forum avatars & tags, on every artists page on deviantart, on blogs, facebook & twitter, then there's famous gaming icons/etc being made into ponies and then "Original character" ponies, countless gifs.
Which is funny because as it stands, I think the artstyle is very charming and well done, but it's just EVERYWHERE.

That's my problem anyway, I mean as I type this there's literally 2 posters in a row with MLP avatars above the comment box and I'm sure when I hit post there's going to be more.

I have more issue when people say they have a "My Little Pony / Sonic original character" when that's an oxymoron. You can't base a character off a show/game & have the same art style/world and call it original, it doesn't work. Sure for like a fan thing that's awesome whatever but when it's a comic or more it's ...just irritating they're not instead trying to do something of their own.

Edit: Yep, as I said there's a MLP avatar above me, I believe it is anyway it's got the color scheme and the look of that one ...whatever her name is.
It's Twilight Sparkle! Whom I'm sure you'll agree is the very best of all ponies!

In all seriousness, I'm sorry if you feel there's an oversaturation of MLP online, but the truth of it is that that's how fandoms work. They create and spread and spread some more - asking fandoms not to post things is like asking water not to be wet.

V da Mighty Taco said:
I take it you haven't heard of Las Pegasus Unicon, have you? I was thinking similar things about this fandom a while back, but then seeing so many pony fans from all over who weren't even a part of the con help to salvage a disaster like that and help unfuck all those affected with their own money... yeah, I'd say we're still good if a bit divided and bitchy at times. Our reputation is pretty bad due to some very obnoxious fans who are too forceful about the show or don't know how to complain in a civil manner (try being anti-Twilicorn without instantly being disregarded as a nut!), but that's always been the case and every fandom is like that. We're actually a fairly run of the mill fandom outside of the whole "must donate to EVERYTHING!!!" mentality we seemingly have.

Nb4 someone brings up the love and tolerance motto: Yes, I genuinely believe in that motto. I doubt I'm alone either, though I could very well be the minority there.
I very much believe in the idea of "Love and Tolerance", mainly because I think that we are more than just a fandom and should try to reflect that. The whole Unicon debacle you mentioned is a good example of it: common members of a fandom, united by nothing but common interest, showing unprecedented solidarity towards one another and the creators of the show. It's a beautiful thing.

Bug MuIdoon said:
Erm, Someone mind explaining to me what a Bronie is?
Not sure if you're joking or not (if so then I apologize - it's difficult to detect sarcasm online), but a Brony is an adult fan of the new My Little Pony show that came out in 2010. Shockingly enough, the show is actually really good, and it picked up a huge and insanely devoted fandom to prove it. If you'd like a more detailed description, I'd advise you read the Know Your Meme article on the matter:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic
 

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Lord Garnaat said:
Snotnarok said:
Honest reason I think there's a lot of hate: It's oversaturated online, everywhere you go you see my little ponies, forum avatars & tags, on every artists page on deviantart, on blogs, facebook & twitter, then there's famous gaming icons/etc being made into ponies and then "Original character" ponies, countless gifs.
Which is funny because as it stands, I think the artstyle is very charming and well done, but it's just EVERYWHERE.

That's my problem anyway, I mean as I type this there's literally 2 posters in a row with MLP avatars above the comment box and I'm sure when I hit post there's going to be more.

I have more issue when people say they have a "My Little Pony / Sonic original character" when that's an oxymoron. You can't base a character off a show/game & have the same art style/world and call it original, it doesn't work. Sure for like a fan thing that's awesome whatever but when it's a comic or more it's ...just irritating they're not instead trying to do something of their own.

Edit: Yep, as I said there's a MLP avatar above me, I believe it is anyway it's got the color scheme and the look of that one ...whatever her name is.
It's Twilight Sparkle! Whom I'm sure you'll agree is the very best of all ponies!

In all seriousness, I'm sorry if you feel there's an oversaturation of MLP online, but the truth of it is that that's how fandoms work. They create and spread and spread some more - asking fandoms not to post things is like asking water not to be wet.
Yes I'm aware how fandoms work but when you see MLP on every site you visit and even in video games? You can't avoid it anywhere, even at a party it came up so it's invaded reality, websites and games and when it's every day? I mean even if you love chocolate ice cream, every day it will get bland boring or even make you sick :p

The best? No that'd be the ...blue one, you know blue horse gal. I'm sure you'll see the light one day :V
 

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I don't know. However there seems to be less spam from it these days, like there was a year ago, where every fucking forum was chock-full of it. I do see it every now and again though, even on here, where someone will say something absolutely stupid like "Because ponies!!" out of nowhere, where it doesn't belong. Besides a few horrible moments like that though, it seems to be a lot calmer now and easy to blot out/ignore. So I guess it has gotten better, maybe?
 

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I think it's gotten better, at least in the sense that it's calmed down a lot. I believe that pretty much everyone who joined the fandom back during season 1 and even part of season 2 went through several stages of being a brony, which sorta painted an image of the fandom for awhile. Basically most people tended to initially stay pretty sheltered about it, trying not to let on to anyone that they watch the show, but then there's some point where all of a sudden they stop caring about what people think, and then they become the more louder and annoying fan who goes around speaking praises of the show, trying to get everyone to watch it. But by this point, most everyone seems to be calmer about it, even the people that find out about the show recently seem calmer, like a lot of news reports on the show are much more neutral now, and less "ew, guys are watching a girly show, how dare they"

And of course the weird parts of the fandom are still there, but I think we've passed the "asshole hill". I forget exactly where that's from, but it's basically a chart of a population against %assholes, and initially, the group is too small to have any significant assholes because they would be kicked out since they can be managed in such a small community, but as the community grows, it's harder to manage, and the asshole percentage rises, but then after a certain point, the asshole percentage drops again because the group is now large enough to more accurately reflect worldwide percentages. It's just that in this case, the "asshole percentage" is the "weird" and vocal parts of the fandom.

Plus the show has gotten better in many ways overall since it began. It's kinda funny how even though a lot of people, including myself, were brought in with the first 2 episodes, compared to the rest that are out now, the pilot tends to get ranked pretty low. Plus the animation has improved considerably, and so has the cast of both protagonists and villians. Although it does seem that the 3rd season is fairly polarizing, and not just because of the finale. Almost everyone I've seen talk about it has either loved or hated it, and I'm not sure why that is.

[random rant]
The one thing that does bug me though about the fandom is when people complain because the cannon just did something that ruins their fanon, and it annoys me even more when they go on to disregard the canon to maintain their fanon. Specific recent examples don't come to mind immediately, but like if someone wrote a fanfic about equestrian history, and then Hearths Warming's Eve comes out and has something else to say, you get what I mean. It's part of the reason I stray from the more fan-made part of the fandom, like fanfics in paticular. I know that good fanfics do in fact exist, even if it's rare, and that headcanon can improve your view of the show, but it should never alter your vision so much that you must exclude parts of the show that don't deserve it. I mean, I understand when someone does something completely stupid with a franchise, like Indy 4 or any Highlander past the first, sure, you can disregard that, but just because the show takes a different take on something you also had an idea on does not mean it is deemed unworthy of your perception. Although tbh, I think this tends to happen with background ponies and characters we just don't (or didn't) know much about, like Luna and so on. I know it seems minor, but it annoys me when people do that. when you make a hypothesis, which is basically what these people are doing in regards to the show, you don't change the results just to support it.
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ANYWAYS, woah, got a little sidetracked there. Oh yeah, another thing is that people have just realized that non-bronys don't like having ponies shoved down their throats, plus the fandom has gotten large enough that it can pretty much entertain itself on it's own, so a lot of people are getting their pony fix enough so as to not have to go around on forums making a million topics just to have a chance to discuss it. Between specialized forums, EQD, more bronies to meet irl, and imageboards people now have plenty of places to talk pony without intruding on other's annoyances. As a result of that alone I think that the opinion on the fandom would have increased since I think a lot of "haters" didn't really hate bronies as a whole, or even the idea of men watching it, but more were just hating on the annoying people who wouldn't stop buggin them about it. Once that stopped, I think people just revert back to a "well that's odd/interesting, but I really don't care" and forget about it naturally after a couple days.

Anyways, I think that this way way too long over a paragraph ago, so I'm just going to stop typing now.
 

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Blaze the Dragon said:
The one thing that does bug me though about the fandom is when people complain because the cannon just did something that ruins their fanon, and it annoys me even more when they go on to disregard the canon to maintain their fanon. Specific recent examples don't come to mind immediately, but like if someone wrote a fanfic about equestrian history, and then Hearths Warming's Eve comes out and has something else to say, you get what I mean.
I am not going to let one suspiciously rainbow stallion standing next to filly Dash dissuade me from my theory that pegasi lay their eggs in other birds' nests, cuckoo-style.

Anyway, on topic, I think "brony hate" has increased in breadth, simply by more folks being aware of the fandom, but not really in depth. If anything, it's gotten less vehement as time goes on. It's settling in to one of those geek niches that weirds out the outsiders. Which, fair enough. It's not the first, and it's not the last.

At least folks seem to have accepted that the whole thing isn't some elaborate 4chan troll, so that's some kind of progress.
 

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IF the reputation has gone down, it's largely because of a couple things that have gotten a lot of attention.

Bronies are pretty much the reason that Derpy became a character at all, and when Hasbro made her a fully fledged character and people got all offended, the backlash against the decision to rewrite her, while I believe justified, did not look good on bronies as a whole.

Then there was the alicorn twilight thing that got way more publicity than it should have, and it really made the group of grown men liking a show made for little girls look like grown men acting like little girls. I can't justify that one, and if the image of bronies has been damaged because of it, then it's pretty well deserved.
I'm actually the opposite on this - I feel that Derpygate was a big overreaction on the fandom's part and was the more damaging event by a considerable margin, whereas the Twilicorn hate does have some legitimate reasoning. I do feel that Hasbro shouldn't have kept the edit quiet until it was already up for the former, and that there was / is a lot of obnoxiousness surrounding the latter. However, it was the Derpy controversy that dampened my view of the fandom and singlehandedly created the distrust between Hasbro and the fandom.

Admittedly, I'm anti-Twilicorn and fairly indifferent to the Muffin Queen, so I'm not exactly unbiased here. I've also never liked the direction the show took after Lesson Zero, which plays into my issues with Twilicorn quite a bit. I do try to make it a point to be as civil as possible when discussing my Twilicorn issues, though people will often immediately assume I'm one of the raving nuts who'll not even give things a chance. So yeah, I'm definitely not unbiased here. I'm guessing some of the Derpygate crew probably feel the same.

Captcha: "on cloud nine" Is Dashie there?
 

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Generally speaking, yes. While the amount of "haters" has receded significantly, the majority of loud, obnoxious, stupid bronies has only been increasing and I could swear that there are way fewer of the "smart" bronies that always made a good impression and were always there to represent the fandom as that "loving and tolerating" type.

With that in mind, and having been very active on the internet, its very easy to see why when you ask people what they think of bronies, it is almost always negative. This is because most bronies (especially the ignorant ones) have this tendency to express their opinion on everything all the time whenever they are given an opportunity. On Youtube, bronies generally do a good job disliking blatantly obvious jabs at them, but if you dare say anything remotely negative about them or the quality of the pony related video, you will receive a fuck-ton of thumbs downs and your comment will be flagged for spam. The reason for this is because the hive mind of the brony fandom lives in its own little world, where everything they say is always right, and the show and the fandom can do no wrong.

This is obviously not true, and because of their failure to see this, they gain pride in their ignorance and in turn, lots of people hate them for it.

We bronies have to understand that the show is certainly no longer "perfect" and that we aren't perfect either. When people are being constantly spammed with pony image macros or pony talk, it CAN be annoying. Also, we have to understand that people have different opinions. Sure, I sure as hell can't see why someone would hate the first season of the show, but if they give it a shot and dislike it, ITS 100% OKAY. When you disagree with another brony's opinion, don't just dismiss them as stupid, debate it and maybe you might see where they are coming from.

It doesn't take much to see that we aren't a loving and tolerating fandom anymore, the Equestria Daily hates the reddit and 4chan/ponychan communities, 4chan/ponychan hate everyone but themselves, and the tumblr community is always in some kind of constant shitstorm.

Oh, and you can tell we aren't exactly a smart fandom either when we freak out over things like Alicorn Twilight before we actually see what its all about.

But I digress, there will be no "fixing it". The reputation of the brony fandom will probably only continue to worsen as time goes on, and the brony community will go on blissfully ignorant of it and shun anyone who thinks differently.
 

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I wouldn't say it's deprecated, it's more a case of the Bronies turning out to be just like any other passionate fandom. For all of their "Love and Tolerate" schtick, you'll find that for every five sedate lovers of the show, there's one guy or gal who takes cartoon character worship to the next level.

I mean, look at the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons. He's representative of that specific type of fan, who's ready to fight Corporate tooth and claw for the sake of preserving Continuity, and who elevates fairly useless trivia and acquired skills to the level of a personal creed. The more the series progresses, the more it's proving easier to sort out those who have a sedate interest in the show and those who take authorial differences and potentially PR-mandated plot twists far more personally than they should.

MLP is a marketing vehicle, pure and simple. The idea that guys and gals outside of the show's target demographic latched onto purported values of friendship and trust isn't much more than a happy accident brought about by snappy writing and fun pop culture references. Anyone above the age of twelve who thinks Hasbro or Faust owes the fandom anything is out of line.

Go tell that to some rabid fans, though, and gauge their reactions.
 

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You have three catagories of Bronies:

1) The casual fan who likes it and sometimes posts his/her opinion about it on forums or elsewhere and doesn't make a big fuss about it and may have some fan art, fan fiction or figurines from the show.

2) The hardcore fan who loves it to death and is quite vocal on his/her opinion and would or may trash non-MLP person's views. This group tends to also draw art, write fan-fiction of their favorites and/or has figurines and other MLP merchandise.

3) The super hardcore, obsessive and nearly insane fans who dedicate a large portion of their free time to most things MLP such as the things mentioned in the hardcore fan but are very likely have some screws loose and will fiercely attack anything remotely negative by non-fans or even casual MLP fans. These are the types you do not want to meet by yourself because it is possible some of the individuals in this group may also be creepy/creepers.

I am not a brony myself but I do have some real life furry friends who also happen to be bronies and pretty much are on the casual side with the exception of my best friend, who seems to linger between casual and hardcore but he doesn't obsess over it.

The same could be said about furries, you got your casual "I'm a fox" type guy and you got the really insane sparkledog style wolf-fox-dragon-bear with rainbow wings, is hermaprodite with FFF cup breasts and a 25 inch dong.
 

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Much like Star Wars and Mass Effect before them, it seems (to me at least) that the Brony community is going into the same direction of misrepresentation and unwarranted fanboy bitching.

I think this comes from too many bronies putting more value in the "fandom" than the show they're supposedly fans of.
I completely agree with the second point, but I disagree that this is the same as what happened inside other comparable fandoms.

Other fandoms have either vocal complaining minorities and silent tolerant majorities, or vocal, complaining majorities.

Bronies have a semi-vocal complaining minority, and a majority that keeps much more vocally denouncing them. This is what creates a spiraling bad reputation, hearing the rumors of bad bronies. An obsession with worrying about what other people might complain about, a "pass the popcorn" eagerness for trying the predict the claims of a (largely hypothetical) "butthurt" fandom, and describing every minor event in the narrative of "-gate" scandals (even when there are far more people meta-discussing complains, than actually complaining.)

This thread alone is full of bronies, many of them vocally discussing how annoying every other brony is.

If we can say that "Star Wars fans hate Star Wars", then this is "Bronies love MLP but hate the rest of the bronies".
 

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Lord Garnaat said:
Not sure if you're joking or not (if so then I apologize - it's difficult to detect sarcasm online), but a Brony is an adult fan of the new My Little Pony show that came out in 2010. Shockingly enough, the show is actually really good, and it picked up a huge and insanely devoted fandom to prove it. If you'd like a more detailed description, I'd advise you read the Know Your Meme article on the matter:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic
ah ha! I see, thanks. Nah, I'm not joking. I'm not really much of an 'Interneter' so memes and web trends usually go over my head.
 

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I don't think most people actually care much about bronies. I, for one, don't judge an individual for the type of TV show he enjoys.

Some bronies have this strange persecution complex though, which gets annoying. I'm not interested in seeing "why don't people like me" threads for any reason

Haven't seen much about bronies recently. What annoys me these days is the harlem shake stuff.
 

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dyre said:
I don't think most people actually care much about bronies. I, for one, don't judge an individual for the type of TV show he enjoys.

Some bronies have this strange persecution complex though, which gets annoying. I'm not interested in seeing "why don't people like me" threads for any reason
I think it's a remnant from the first year of the fandom, when they really needed to prove that they are a genuine fandom to begin with, and not just a joke, if they wanted any chance of increasing their numbers and getting accross the news that the show really is surprisingly good.

Back in 2010-2011, there were a shitload of otherwise well-intentioned nice people who accidentally dismissed bronies as ironic hipsters, so there still was a chance of converting them by being confrontative and vocally fannish.

Nowadays, the only haters remaining are bullies, yet some bronies keep acting as if there would be a chance of converting them too with even better PR.
 

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Entitled said:
dyre said:
I don't think most people actually care much about bronies. I, for one, don't judge an individual for the type of TV show he enjoys.

Some bronies have this strange persecution complex though, which gets annoying. I'm not interested in seeing "why don't people like me" threads for any reason
I think it's a remnant from the first year of the fandom, when they really needed to prove that they are a genuine fandom to begin with, and not just a joke, if they wanted any chance of increasing their numbers and getting accross the news that the show really is surprisingly good.

Back in 2010-2011, there were a shitload of otherwise well-intentioned nice people who accidentally dismissed bronies as ironic hipsters, so there still was a chance of converting them by being confrontative and vocally fannish.

Nowadays, the only haters remaining are bullies, yet some bronies keep acting as if there would be a chance of converting them too with even better PR.
Hmm, I think that PR campaign may have backfired. At least for me; I didn't doubt that there were probably a number of people who genuinely liked the show. But I always was a bit suspicious that the very vocal fans (esp the ones who posted brony memes) were just doing it to be cool. I guess it's because if I enjoy something, I usually tend to just quietly enjoy it, and only recommend it when asked.

Maybe you're right about them, dunno. Hopefully any remaining PR bronies can realize that their fandom should go the way of any other fandom, whether it be Naruto or Game of Thrones - just something to be shared between fans