Hate of Mankind??

[Korolev]

True, you only have to look at the history of the 20th century to see how horrible humanity can be.

Some people lose all hope due to crummy personal experiences.

However, to generalize and say ALL of humanity is bad, is pushing it. What about yourself? Do you consider yourself to be irredeemable? Are you a bad person?

The only way you could condemn all of humanity (logically), is if you had the worst, lowest self-esteem possible. Otherwise, you'd realize that humanity has the potential to do good things (again, unless you're a self-loather, and if you are, good luck with that).

I know there are good people out there. I've seen them. I've met them. I consider myself to be one.

And even if humanity is mostly bad, it's still better than any other species out there. Even if it has an almost limitless capacity for violence, at least SOME people are kind, which is more than you can say about Nature, which has no capacity for kindness.

Even if you think most humans are stupid (and most humans are not in my opinion), surely even that is better than the blank, cold nothingness of rock and space.

For sure, humans do not always live up to their ideals. Well, at least we have them. At least we can imagine them. At least we can yearn for a paradise. At least we can dream. Which is better than any other animal out there.

At least we can strive and hope. Humanity is the only thing on this rock worth saving, because with us lies the capacity to reach the stars. No other species can do that.

If you hate humanity, you must hate yourself, and I find that pitiful, as well as weak-willed. I know about our history. I know of Pol-Pot and the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge. I am well aware of the tragedy of the "Great Leap Forward" and Hitler's Germany and Stalin's GULAG system. I know of the brutality of the SS, the NKVD, the Revolutionary Guards and the Inquisitors and the Islamic extremists.

And I am also aware, of those WHO STOOD UP AGAINST THEM.

THEY redeem humanity. Not me, not you. YOU cannot condemn them, no matter how many words you spew at them.

Lincoln, Gandi, Mandela - they are not everyone, but they were someone. They were not perfect but dammit they tried. And they were human.

Einstein, Newton, Crick, Pasteur, Kant, Galileo, Jennings, Turing - of what species were they?

Only those ignorant of ALL of human history could condemn this species. Only those who have nothing good inside themselves, only those who are weak and pitiful and contemptible, only those who have lost all hope and have let their dreams DIE, only THEY can condemn humanity.

But the rest of us know our species can do good, because we can look inside ourselves and find it.

 

[Korolev]

And to drive home this point: If we die, what is there?

Do bears dream of a journey to the stars? Do penguins formulate theories on morality? Do hedgehogs look at the movement of iron fillings in response to a magnetic field and feel amazement? Does a Butterfly comprehend the beautiful logic of the Turing Test? Does a Salmon comprehend the history of its forebears? Does an ant know of the history of this planet, and the billions of years of evolution that came behind it?

No. They do not.

But we can. Only we can. We have come so damn far. Born in a hostile, uncaring world with no meaning. We evolved to find beauty. A tree cannot admire itself. We admire trees, and only we admire trees. Sloths do not. Lady-bugs do not. Only humans look upon a rainforest and say "it is beautiful".

I believe in no gods or religion. I do not think the universe revolves around us, or cares about us. I do not even think the universe has any meaning.

But we are here. And we can think. A blank universe is free for US TO MAKE OUR MARK. Much like a blank piece of paper can be drawn upon, a meaningless universe gives humanity complete and utter freedom to build the world we want and strive to create meaning in our own way.

And we have struggled so much. From caves, from the savannah plain with nothing but a spear and some pointy rocks, look HOW. FAR. WE. HAVE. COME! If you even have the slightest grasp of science you would realize that our species needs to survive, MUST SURVIVE. Or it has all been for nothing.

Every death and birth, every struggle and every fight we have ever been in - it is meaningless if there is no future for our species.

The other species are doomed already. The sun will exhaust its fuel supply. There's only so much hydrogen it can fuse. No matter what humanity does, this solar system will die, naturally, of its own causes.

We don't have to go down with it. We have 5 billion years to find a way to get off this rock. Given the pace of our technology over the past 100 years, I think we'll manage. And even if we don't, we would have tried.

Humanity is worth something, because only with humanity lies GLORY. No other species has that capacity. No other species even comprehends what glory is. Even if we are doomed to die, and I am not that pessimistic, we'll burn out bright, and with purpose.

 

[Blackality]

I'm just trying to make people understand the non-sense misanthropy is, because i believe that they really don't want to kill themselves.

Well you fail miserably since there is no casual connection between misanthropy and suicide. Onde does not have to include the other...

I think I was misunderstood in my first post here. What I mean is, it's a little ridiculous for anyone to hate humanity since they are humans themselves.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I think I was misunderstood in my first post here. What I mean is, it's a little ridiculous for anyone to hate humanity since they are humans themselves.

So? Why is that ridiculous?

Who says tha the misanthropes in question make an exception for themselves? Im a misnahtrope and I have pleny of self-hatred as well. It would be rather hypocritical of me not to.

The good thing about myself however is that I try to use this self-loathing as a motivation to become something that isn't in sync with the typically human attributes which I hate so much, thus insuring that my own guilt is only one of association.

 

[Blackality]

I think I was misunderstood in my first post here. What I mean is, it's a little ridiculous for anyone to hate humanity since they are humans themselves.

So? Why is that ridiculous?

Who says tha the misanthropes in question make an exception for themselves? Im a misnahtrope and I have pleny of self-hatred as well. It would be rather hypocritical of me not to.

The good thing about myself however is that I try to use this self-loathing as a motivation to become something that isn't in sync with the typically human attributes which I hate so much, thus insuring that my own guilt is only one of association.

It's relieving to know that at least you have some rational thinking behind.
Most kids that say they are misanthropes are just emo douchebags.

However, the hate I'm talking about is a hate towards humans per se, not morality, culture, etc... You know, the species itself.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

It's relieving to know that at least you have some rational thinking behind.
Most kids that say they are misanthropes are just emo douchebags.

I know they are, and the thing is that I find them to be walking and tasteless clichés. I don' like tasteless clichés and I would rather die than become one.

My personal hatred towards my own species is a bit more profound and deeper than a simple case of having been bullied as a child and then turn to emo-induced pretentions.

However, the hate I'm talking about is a hate towards humans per se, not morality, culture, etc... You know, the species itself.

The flawed morality, despicable acts, apartheidinducing religion, constant quest for procreation along with other disgusting traits typical of mankind wouldn't exist if it weren't for the species existence.

I for one find it rather senseless to hate the symptoms of a disease rather than hating the disease itself.

 

[Blackality]

The "disease" is also a target of my hate. But I don't hate mankind.

Some are douches, others are ok, and others turn out to be fine people.

 

[VicunaBlue]

This forum is filled with Internet People. That happens to be one of the characteristics of them, along with angst, liking metal, arrogance, Otaku-ism, and having some really judgmental moral system that usually involves them spouting off about how people who go against it should have (insert cliche torture here) done to them.

Just ignore them. Pride yourself in the fact that you probably have more friends than them.

 

[Confidingtripod]

I must add that being cynical used to indicate that someone was either A: a prick B: having a bad day or C: being starcastic, when did it become the norm is the real question.

OT: many people are deeply hateful, I have no problem pointing out the bad things humanity does but I dont ignore the many good things!