Hate of Mankind??

[Edorf]

Because it's all edgy and cool to be cynical.

I remeber being a misanthrope when I was 13, most people grow out of it.

Could've have said it better myself.

 

[Chris^^]

the box is a legitimate psychological experiment

I don't hate humanity per-se but after spending several long years studying history and seeing it repeated day by day I despair for humanity as a whole.. as a single entity humanity is cruel, animalistic, self distructive and willfully blind, I wonder how we hope to survive as a single species in years to come.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

why all the ," why all the... "threads?

to topic because most humans are dumb, uneducated and idiots. Just walk outside the door, look around you or even worse look into a newspaper.

 

[Syntax Error]

Why do I hate? Simple, because this [http://www.darwinawards.com/] exists. That and because apparently, Fred is awesome (according to most people).

 

[GenericAmerican]

The only human beings I actually like are my Aunt and Uncle. They are like the parents I never had. Everyone else, including my actual parents (if u can call them that) Can eat shit and die for all I care. They have never done a thing for me, and most 'human beings' are complete assholes so why should I care about them?

Now what was the point of this thread? Oh, hate of mankind; yes I do notice a lot of it.

 

[skywalkerlion]

Because they think hate of humanity is like a very small bandwagon, so they hop on to make them look edgy or unique. Or even sophisticated.

Sadly, as Demented Teddy outlined, it just makes them look like pricks that would like to seem myself die in, I quote, "the hole world on fire".

-.-

 

[Danny Ocean]

First off, sort out your grammar, many of your sentences don't make much sense.

1. Oh it has an effect. But an irregular one. At one moment rich people take a lot of kids. And another time they don't. Poor people always have a lot of children certainly in Africa and the Middle East. So they can take care of their parents.

And those masses of poor do very little to drain or damage the world at the moment. They live subsistently and mostly sustainably, especially the very, very poor. It's the rich few who use up most of the resources.

2. You don't get it do you? "Good" and "evil" don't really exist. A lot of good things or good people can bring forth a chainreaction of bad actions. Humans are out for themselves. And when their secure little society crumbles. They will start killing eachother.

You don't get it, do you? Moral Objectivism is no excuse for killing 7.5billion people! So what if they don't exist? Nothing but your own conciousness can be known at all. Maybe it's good that we're destroying the Earth. Perhaps the Earth is one giant alien organism bent on destroying the universe and we, acting as an infection (lolmatrix) are the only way to stop it! Whether you like it or not, core morals change little from society to society or from time to time, that's because, as I say, we have pack and social skills hard-wired into our brains.

And what makes you assume that when society crumbles we start automatically killing eachother?

3: You mean we are imbued with natural empathy? Not good, you see your good side of humanity as empathy. From what i read from your posts. And not all people feel bad when hurting others. Empathy is not going to cut it. Our race needs to adapt quickly we need to decrease population. Did you know that war is actually encoded into your genes? Ever seen a Chimpansee raiding party to kill other Chimps of a different group? They do that too. War used to be a good way to keep the populus lower. Nowadays we have become to large. War isn't going to cut it anymore. We need to take responsibility.

Yes, not all people feel bad when hurting others. They are called psychopaths. The very existence of such a minority definition logically proves that the majority do, in fact, not like killing people.

You say empathy isn't going to cut it? How so?
Most people do not care about the Earth because they are too busy trying to survive.
Empathy is caring and sympathising. If richer nations care and sympathise with the plight of smaller ones, the plight of the smaller ones will be alleviated.
Alleviation of said plight will remove them of their crushing need to survive, giving them time to care about the planet. Or whatever else it is you want them to do.
We don't need to increase production, just redistribute what we have more fairly.
I'm with you on the whole economic thing. The whole system is designed around unsustainable growth based on wants. It needs to shift from a system of satisfying wants to satisfying needs.

4. Then you must see that our planet cannot accomodate the amount of people we have now. Certainly with the fossile fuels we use and all the extra damage because of our technology.

That's arguable. Who's to say we won't invent fusion power and give ourselves unlimited, clean energy, hm?

Even if you are correct, there can be population controlling processes put into place that don't involve killing billions of people.

5. If humanity died the world will need centuries to recover from our actions. And ofcourse there would be life after us. Unless the planet itself was destroyed or the atmosphere. Mine absolves responsibility? Mine is stop fucking to much. It will decrease the population and it will solve a lot of problems you will see. Yours takes no responsibility at all... Peace and love and it will all go away. Yes sure. Because that is the main problem because there is not enough empathy on this world. It is nothing enviremental... No it is fucking our lack of empathy. Sorry but your solution is just stupid. Because the main problem will remain in existence.

For the first part: Humanity will never have the capability to physically destroy the planet or atmosphere. We may make it inhospitable to some life as we know it, but it does not follow that it will be inhospitable to all life.

Oh, you don't want everyone to die, you're just advocating better population controls? I'm with you on that one, as long as it doesn't involve killing people.


Seems like you're committing the inductive fallacy of association. My idea includes empathy as a part of it (The biggest part, but not the only part, which is another assumption you make.), the hopelessly idealistic 'peace and love' brigade also champion empathy, therefore I am in the hopelessly idealistic 'peace and love' brigade.

No. That's retarded. People need to do something to fix the current situation. I believe it begins with serious empathy, among other things, but that is not the entirety of my solution. Perhaps you should try thinking before you brush off my ideas as 'stupid', hm?

Let's study your ideas now, shall we. Depending on whether you're what I'm now calling a 'Hard' Misanthrope, who wants everyone to die, or a 'Soft' Misanthrope, who only wants some or most people to die, I present you with the following questions.

Spoiler: Questions

Hard.
1. How are you going to wipe all those people off the face of the Earth?
2. Isn't it contradictory to advocate such a massive sacrifice of intelligent, advanced life for (arguably) the sake of unintelligent, less advanced life?
3. If your problem is that humans are all inherently bad: Prove it. I can cite medical journals for my claims to empathy, can you do the same?
4. If your problem is that humans are destroying the Earth: What makes you think this will always be the case?-Which humans are destroying the Earth?

Soft.
1. Above questions.
2. Who should die?

6. This can take millions of years. We won't live longer by continueing like this we will live significantly shorter. And inter-stellar travel might not be possible. And that doesn't matter. What matters is that we give future generations the chance to have the experience of life. Long after we are dead.

The Earth is 4.5Billion years old. We've got about 5Billion years until the Sun goes supernova. That's cutting it awful close for intelligent life to start anew. If you want something worthwhile to come out of Earth's existence, then humanity is the best bet.

So your point of view is pretty much. Let's let it stay as it is because we will day anyways... No, that is a productive attitude.

1. This doesn't make any sense. "Because we will day anyways"?
2. My attitude is not to keep things as they are, numbnuts, that's you misrepresenting my opinion and holding it up as red herring to argue against.

7. Dude you make it sound like misanthropy is a religion... It is a vision. A vision of despise for the human race. This can have all kinds of reasons. Not likeing people in general for example. Or enviremental factors. Not with people like you no... You are way to idealistic. I don't see it work out that way. We need something to stop our species from growing bigger.

Oh for goodness sake. Just because population control isn't the top of my priority list does not mean I don't care about the environment. What is it with you and population control? Everything comes back to that same point. There are other things to worry about. You think that just because there are fewer people on Earth it'll magically recover, you think that those remaining won't just use more resources, more inefficiently? It seems like you're the one who hasn't thought this through, and are caught up in simplistic, polarised dreams of some kind of easy solution, not I.

If your more about population control through humane means rather than mass genocide, how about you become more active by giving out free contraception and making some radio or newspaper ads encouraging people to have fewer kids for the good of the future? You think there's nothing you can do, but I reckon there is. Make yourself an expert, get your cause noticed in the media, get on TV. Whatever, just don't sit there and mope about it.

Don't forget to think about the socio-economic implications of a drastically reduced birth rate on the nation's pension and welfare systems.

 

[Broken Boy]

I used to believe in humanity when I was a teen. but over the long years maybe I have just become jaded and now believe that as a species are doomed. I hold no real hatred for humans other than the ones that piss me off or hurt me. I just think we will die out before we will work together to save ourselves.

 

[Blackality]

I would be an hypocrite if I said that all humanity is stupid and deserve to die. In fact, I think that who says that is either a teenager in full teen mode, wants to sound superior, have a terrible self-esteem or is terribly frustrated with his/her own existence and wished to be like a shounen anime character.
Although I'd be lying if i said that I approve what mankind is doing to our planet.

However, I want to leave a message to misanthropes:
Wake the fuck up, walk to a mirror. See your target of disgust? What are you gonna do? Kill yourself?

 

[Riccan]

This is why I find it bizzare how people seem to believe that they are right on something subjective and declare their own idea of hatred on someone for not thinking same way.

Speaking as a misanhrope, I wouldn't declare hatred on you or anyone else for having a different opinion about mankind than my own. I hate you because you're human.

Well I don't quite comprehend hatred as well as others, or atleast in the same sense as most. Which ties in to how odd it is to me to hate every little thing in an entire species. I wasn't really refering to you when I typed that though, more to the people who were calling misanthropes traitors to the human race for not believeing we are all hyper advanced, ubermensches that are capable of making starships out of wood and dog shit.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

No, I am telling you the average 13 year old kid who declares himself a true misanthrope is extremely unlikely to have experienced enough of the world or of humanity to actually develop the feelings and commitment to the ideal of a concept such as Misanthropy. If you are saying that the *average* 13 year old kid is making a qualified and reasonable justification for such a belief then you are talking about an extremely small amount so called "misanthropes".

The "burden of proof" argument has nothing to do with it. Otherwise I could quite happily say "I'm a racing car driver" because I once drove a car in a race now this is true unless you can prove me wrong. Or that "I'm a mortician" because I once dissected a frog and this is true unless you can prove me wrong. As a 13 year old kid who thinks they hate the world, they might have misanthropical ideas and thoughts but that is a far cry from actually understanding the implications and sheer complexity of those ideas to the point they could prove themselves to be a true misanthrope... Don't kid yourself, the thought of being seen as misanthropical, for some reason, is desirable by those teenagers looking for something to give their pissy mood swings and attitude problems any kind of validity. Any self respecting misanthropical institute (if one even existed) would be insulted to have such a person count themselves amongst them.

Your argument is invalid.

This because misanthropy isn't a profession where you have to have credentials to prove yourself of being one. It's a feeling/opinion, and pretty much anything can give rise to these.

So, the burden of proof still applies. You're the one calling certain misanthropes liars, then it is up to you to prove that they are lying, and sorry "lack of experience" doesn't prove a lie.

Besides if humanity is that bad, why not simply kill yourself for the sake of your own ideal... I bet that 13 year old kid doesn't reach that conclusion anytime soon.

Im not a 13 year old misanthrope and I haven't found a good reason to kill myself. I mean, people hate mosquitoes too, but that doesn't mean they think it's worth it to just kill themselves simply to get away from the mosquitoes now do they? So why should they kill themselves for hating another species like man? It doesn't make much sense...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

However, I want to leave a message to misanthropes:
Wake the fuck up, walk to a mirror. See your target of disgust? What are you gonna do? Kill yourself?

Why would I do that? If anything, I have o stay alive to make sure that the entire species dies with me. If I just kill myself, then that won't exactly solve the problem, now will it?

 

[Daft Sikes]

Because almost everyone else on earth is a jackass and/or a coward. Those people could rot in a ditch for all I care.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Well I don't quite comprehend hatred as well as others, or atleast in the same sense as most. Which ties in to how odd it is to me to hate every little thing in an entire species. I wasn't really refering to you when I typed that though, more to the people who were calling misanthropes traitors to the human race for not believeing we are all hyper advanced, ubermensches that are capable of making starships out of wood and dog shit.

Well, I can somewhat agree with you there. I mean, misanthropy can occur for a wide variety of reasons. Most of them entirely subjective. It's kind of like how some people can hate a certain colour. You might have your reasons to do it, bu that doesn' make the colour objectiely hateable since other people might love it. It's kind of like an "agree to disagree" thing.

But when it comes to other people HATING misanthropes because they see the misanthropes as "traitors"? My question is: Traitors to WHAT exactly? The species?

I find that interesting, because when I was born, no one really gave me a contract to sign or told me to swear to always uphold mankind as the most perfected ceature in existence and to do everything within my power to insure it's survival and improvement. In fact, I wasn't asked if I wanted to be born in the first place. I was forced into it.

Thus the only way I could be a "traitor" would be if I myself CHOSE to withhold these ideals of mans superiority and glory, and THEN betray those ideals. I've never professed myself to hold those ideals in the first place, so reasonably I can't "betray" anything in that sense, and thus "traitor" doesn't constitue as an acceptable descripion to myself at all.

So for all those people who wish to call me a traior for hating my own species, I just want o say: Fuck you! I didn't choose to become born a human in the first place, so I have no fucking reason to stay loyal to mankind what so ever other than the reasons I choose for myself. And as of now I don't see any reason to profess loyalty to mankind, because our species is a vile, murderous, filthridden heap of biological waste with pretentions of grandeur.

 

[joshuaayt]

Mmm, just taste that condescending. You know, elitism really is this forums thing, isn't it? "Grow out of it", indeed...
What do I hate?
I hate the fact that a man can be put to death for daring to sleep with another man, I hate the fact that a woman can be criminally liable for being raped. I hate the fact that wars killing millions of people can be and usually are begun in the interest of that one decently written novel or money/resources. I hate that I have no control over which of two identically idiotic people get to govern me. I hate that there are actually people, right now, sleeping on stomachs that haven't seen food for days, whilst I sit here, all 60 kg of me, whining about the state of the world on a Video Gaming forum.
I don't know if that spiel implies that I'm Misanthropic, and I don't really care. Labels don't change any of the injustices that I have listed, they certainly don't matter here. All that I know is that I hate SOMETHING. And that's the best I can do.

 

[Riccan]

Well I don't quite comprehend hatred as well as others, or atleast in the same sense as most. Which ties in to how odd it is to me to hate every little thing in an entire species. I wasn't really refering to you when I typed that though, more to the people who were calling misanthropes traitors to the human race for not believeing we are all hyper advanced, ubermensches that are capable of making starships out of wood and dog shit.

Well, I can somewhat agree with you there. I mean, misanthropy can occur for a wide variety of reasons. Most of them entirely subjective. It's kind of like how some people can hate a certain colour. You might have your reasons to do it, bu that doesn' make the colour objectiely hateable since other people might love it. It's kind of like an "agree to disagree" thing.

But when it comes to other people HATING misanthropes because they see the misanthropes as "traitors"? My question is: Traitors to WHAT exactly? The species?

I find that interesting, because when I was born, no one really gave me a contract to sign or told me to swear to always uphold mankind as the most perfected ceature in existence and to do everything within my power to insure it's survival and improvement. In fact, I wasn't asked if I wanted to be born in the first place. I was forced into it.

Thus the only way I could be a "traitor" would be if I myself CHOSE to withhold these ideals of mans superiority and glory, and THEN betray those ideals. I've never professed myself to hold those ideals in the first place, so reasonably I can't "betray" anything in that sense, and thus "traitor" doesn't constitue as an acceptable descripion to myself at all.

So for all those people who wish to call me a traior for hating my own species, I just want o say: Fuck you! I didn't choose to become born a human in the first place, so I have no fucking reason to stay loyal to mankind what so ever other than the reasons I choose for myself. And as of now I don't see any reason to profess loyalty to mankind, because our species is a vile, murderous, filthridden heap of biological waste with pretentions of grandeur.

I agree until the last part. Humanity, atleast to me, is not a complete waste. It is possible for it to change as any other thing. I realy do not care if someone hates or loves humanity, I only care for the advancement and improvement of the race. These people claiming that humanity is the greatest thing ever are just the same as those who claim it is a plague. Some seek to improve it, others are content to spew out their opinions and wallow in stagnation.

 

[Wardnath]

However, I want to leave a message to misanthropes:
Wake the fuck up, walk to a mirror. See your target of disgust? What are you gonna do? Kill yourself?

I actually get suicidal thoughts regularly. I just don't go through with 'em 'cause I'm not stupid.

By the way, I hope you don't think typing that up makes you edgier than we, because you're not fooling anyone.

Good day.

 

[DeathsHands]

Because it's all edgy and cool to be cynical.

I remeber being a misanthrope when I was 13, most people grow out of it.

That...

I think it mostly boils down to teen angst. The majority of this site is under 18, and therefore the teen angst is inevitable.

Oh, and that.

Misanthropes are bloody annoying.

 

[theSovietConnection]

I think it boils down to your experiences and your general mood at the time. I know a few people who have extremely valid reasons for a general hatred of humanity (the alleged amount of rape in my community is shockingly high). I also know that after a very... messy breakup last year, I was generally in the camp of "mankind can go fuck itself", though I've gotten over/grown out of it. I think so long as you aren't doing it to try and seem edgy and cool, your opinion is likely valid.