As a number of others have said, negging is the real crime. Attacking a woman's self-esteem is damaging. Wearing makeup and perfume is deceptive, but harmless.
Hatred of PUAs? Why?
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Some people like sex.
Some people want more sex.
Some people pursue sex.
And with all pursuits, there are good and bad ways to go about it, and people who aim to be good at these pursuits call themselves "Pick Up Artists".
I've always found insulting people like that often comes from jealousy. Personally, I'm content and quite secure with my current level of sexual activity and don't really need to belittle others to make myself feel better about it.
Some people want more sex.
Some people pursue sex.
And with all pursuits, there are good and bad ways to go about it, and people who aim to be good at these pursuits call themselves "Pick Up Artists".
I've always found insulting people like that often comes from jealousy. Personally, I'm content and quite secure with my current level of sexual activity and don't really need to belittle others to make myself feel better about it.
If I recall correctly, the man who was barred entry to a country due to his pick-up tactics had posted videos of himself groping women whose language he didn't speak on public transit systems and admitting to getting women drunk in order to sleep with them. What he did was beyond even typical (though still reprehensible) pick-up tactics and went into straight-up sexual assault.StatusNil said:
Although I already came to answers regarding my initial question, I'll respond anyway.scorn the biomage said:
WTF! You have some problems their buddy! but seriously don't start with the evopsych crap your problems are not "male Instincts".
1.Yes I have issues (it would be dishonest not to admit it)
2.My first post dealt with legality of being an asshole. NOT that I support assholes.
3.Since when basic sex drive is something arguable? It is area of psychology, not evolutionary psychology. Or are you implying that psychology is "crap" as well?
4.Evolutionary psychology, while flawed and occasionally suffering from tunnel vision, is definitely NOT "crap". Notion that during evolution of our species our instincts developed certain patterns isn't something laughably unrealistic. It should be given more research in the future.
Ugh. Given what these supposed methods involve, (as far as I've heard of them) ugh.
Seriously, if your tactic for getting laid is to go find the most emotionally vulnerable, easy to manipulate girl you can, and then use abusive and overbearing behaviour to pressure her into going along with whatever it is you want to do...
That's... Sick.
That is what makes people worry about what PUA's... often seem to be trying to push.
The hyper-agressive borderline rapist kind of mentality, that mainly works because you look for someone that ends up being too scared to openly say how they felt about what you did... >_>
Yeah, no. I don't think so.
Seriously, if your tactic for getting laid is to go find the most emotionally vulnerable, easy to manipulate girl you can, and then use abusive and overbearing behaviour to pressure her into going along with whatever it is you want to do...
That's... Sick.
That is what makes people worry about what PUA's... often seem to be trying to push.
The hyper-agressive borderline rapist kind of mentality, that mainly works because you look for someone that ends up being too scared to openly say how they felt about what you did... >_>
Yeah, no. I don't think so.
They say they hate it because they fall for it every damn time (yeah yeah gross generalisation sorry).
As someone stated in this thread before me, it disproves the fact that women are going for prince charming and sort of reveals their 50 shades of shallowness and creep just as much as the concept of the PUA does that for men.
Anyway isn't the opposite of this called "The honey trap" or "The Gold Digger"
Women have similar stereotypical no-nonsense baddies in their ranks but they have different targets in mind.
To make my probably very misogynistic sounding post even worse I'll end it with this gem :
Men think with their penis.
Women think with their purse.
As someone stated in this thread before me, it disproves the fact that women are going for prince charming and sort of reveals their 50 shades of shallowness and creep just as much as the concept of the PUA does that for men.
Anyway isn't the opposite of this called "The honey trap" or "The Gold Digger"
Women have similar stereotypical no-nonsense baddies in their ranks but they have different targets in mind.
To make my probably very misogynistic sounding post even worse I'll end it with this gem :
Men think with their penis.
Women think with their purse.
Except the people in make-up videos aren't out there trying to manipulate others into getting with them. PUAs on the other hand are. If someone has to manipulate someone else just to date them perhaps that person doesn't deserve to have a relationship.blackrave said:
It's called Girl Talk, us women are notorious for it. Always doing it while we are at the salon, shopping, on gaming forums, visiting our parents for the summer, pratically any time we are not in the same room with men.bartholen said:
But on a serious note, Women do the same things as PuA's, it's really easy for us however. Who would you be more interested in talking to? a greased up guy who you can tell after the first five words he says he wants in your pants, or the woman who is sitting by herself listening to the band that looks like she got dressed up for the night?
Women do the same things ans PuA's, but we are subtle about it.
The core attitude in some PuA "techniques" is the problem, and deserves to be despised.
"People around me are there to be used up, and I know how to trick them into letting me use them".
If you see people as props you can use to do sex (or bottles to be drained, wallets to be emptied), then you are a selfish swine. Or sow, for that part. It's about the difference between seeing other people as people, with their own integrity, rather than just things to be "used".
I suppose a lot of flirting and cooing could be called Pick-Up Techniques when you get really down to it, but it's the attitude that matters. It should be about both, not just you.
And honestly, if someone needs to resort to careful psycological manipulation and misinformation to get some, then that person is likely rather awful to be around. The time spent on PuA-forums would be better spent at some fucking elementary self-improvement. You know who you are.
"People around me are there to be used up, and I know how to trick them into letting me use them".
If you see people as props you can use to do sex (or bottles to be drained, wallets to be emptied), then you are a selfish swine. Or sow, for that part. It's about the difference between seeing other people as people, with their own integrity, rather than just things to be "used".
I suppose a lot of flirting and cooing could be called Pick-Up Techniques when you get really down to it, but it's the attitude that matters. It should be about both, not just you.
And honestly, if someone needs to resort to careful psycological manipulation and misinformation to get some, then that person is likely rather awful to be around. The time spent on PuA-forums would be better spent at some fucking elementary self-improvement. You know who you are.