Have Bioware lost their balls? (Mass Effect 2 SPOILERS)
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Not true. There's three options on the left of the dialog wheel that she likes and there's 2 on the right. Out of boredom I clicked one on the right (maybe something hurr durr like "I like fighting") and she looked disinterested. Then I clicked the left options and won. You can't fail from clicking one wrong option.Baradiel said:
About the whole character confrontation thing, I found it pretty damn annoying. The whole thing boils down to "Unless your a complete goodytwoshoes or an utter jerk one of your companions is now going to hate you". Just because you dont go full paragon/renegade (which I didn't on my first run) you'll be generally worse off and that pretty much relates to conversations with everybody not just companions. And this is where it brings in the problem with the simplification. Either your companions are loyal or not. There is no other option. And while I would generally agree that sometimes this kind of simplification is a good thing it meant that if you just did everyones loyalty missions it would be very easy to maintain their loyalty which cut down on the RP elements involved in character interaction. So to fix that they force you to choose between two of them on occasion and while that is a good idea, because of the simplified loyalty system, there is no middle road. You must side with one or the other. Or, if you're paragon/renegade is high you can tell them to quit their bitching. So, if you want people to listen to you, you have to be one extreme or the other which is a problem in an RPG. You'd think that Bioware of all people would understand that as far as morality is concerned there isn't just black and white, wouldn't you? It would've been nice if in addition to the paragon/renegade system they had included an objective mediator path or something, but no. In fact this whole thing could quite easily have been fixed if, like in ME1, they had simply had a charm/intimidate skill tree. That way you could be defined by your actions, which could be complex and varied, and persuade people judging on how good you are at speaking to them and gain paragon/renegade depending on what you did. Surely that would have been a better solution? I wonder why they didn't just do that.Gigatoast said:
Sorry about that, it ended up a bit longer than I thought it would.
Yeah it's what an earlier post said, it's not that they don't want to, it's just that you have to have writers write the other options, then you have to have the voice actors come down and voice that stuff, then the scripted to script it. And if it's a really big thing like a thing blowing up that's a whole 'nother thing.
Then it's gotta be tested and whatever. Ya gotta give them credit for even being able to do half of this, I mean look at Oblivion, 4 voice actors in the entire game and they STILL couldn't add options for things.
Then it's gotta be tested and whatever. Ya gotta give them credit for even being able to do half of this, I mean look at Oblivion, 4 voice actors in the entire game and they STILL couldn't add options for things.
The question I would next ask is: how many people actually failed this mission? Because honestly you really have to go out of your way to do so. Like me trying to fail Tali's mission by taking Legion in thereBaradiel said:
Not only do they put all the correct answers on one side of the wheel and idiot answers on the other, but before you engage in conversation, Samara TELLS YOU exactly what to say. There's not even an ambiguous response in there. No roleplaying or decision making necessary. It's like someone saying "Press Ready, then press Set, then press Go", and instead you press "Laundry Chute" TWICE because that's pretty much how dumb the dialog wheel is for that so called RP pick up.
Can't agree with the OP more... RPGs, while I love them, feel so... watered down.
Its all part of appealing to wider audiences... UGH.
Its all part of appealing to wider audiences... UGH.
Being an Obsidian game, it perhaps is a bit flimsy from the Shooter perspective (questionable animations/balance?), but on the RPG side, the reactive story and dialogue are worth the while. There are many ways to influence the flow of the story, with meaningful choices and convincing consequences. Making actual decisions, saying different things in dialogue, doing missions in different order, doing missions in a different manner (stealthily, or massacre everyone, or something else), finding/missing documents, it all affects something, often unlocking new options to take. It's possible to complete the game non-lethally.itchcrotch said:
I'd say it's definitely worth at least a look.
the problem I have with bioware games (DA:O in particular) is that, not only do your actions not have consequences, you don't seem to interact with people at all. People seem to say the same lines of dialogue whatever you say to them occasionally adding "oh but that'll be easy for a mage like you" or "I'm a human so I'm obviously a huge jerk, bow before my vaguely established evil backstory!"
I failed that mission a bunch of times, mostly because I thought that mentioning the exact band AND the exact artist that she told other people she liked might seem to her as if I had already done a background check on her, hence tipping her off.Indecipherable said:
the reload function renders actually failing a mission utterly meaningless, nobody accept it and just reload and older save. It's nice gimmick but thats it.
also all that shiny graphic adn voice acting is expansive, so including an option that maybe 5-10% of players are gonna see(and make totally irrelevant by reloading) but costs the same as making a whole mission(unless you follow the DA2 approach to level design) just does not sit well with accounting.
also all that shiny graphic adn voice acting is expansive, so including an option that maybe 5-10% of players are gonna see(and make totally irrelevant by reloading) but costs the same as making a whole mission(unless you follow the DA2 approach to level design) just does not sit well with accounting.
So because people can load a saved game we might as well remove all choice and consequence from RPGs?teebeeohh said:
There's nothing wrong with loving a game but still finding faults in it!Sindre1 said:I....agree?
Wow, I was sure this would be a troll-thread.
Still love Mass Effect
Well the thing is Commander Shepard has most likely killed more geth than most quarians have seen also hes a specter soooo would the quarians really want to waste man power and resorses to try to kill shepard?
I see this whining the same way I see the recent debacle of people bombing Portal 2 on Metacritic. REALLY man? Mass Effect 2? You're really going to shit on one of the FEW games that actually DOES give a shit about your choices?
Not the hundreds of games that just railroad you through the entire game without letting you make a single decision, barring "Which gun I use 2 kill baddy"? Not the hundreds of games where the Protagonist acts like a complete dickhead and gets into stupid (not funny stupid; stupid stupid) situation that YOU have to extricate him from? Instead You're going to go with fucking Mass Effect 2.
Well, Fuck you, dear sir. And fuck internet Criticism. Giving everyone a voice just results in pointless, worthless whining. And that's what you're doing. You're not complaining, you're whining.
Not the hundreds of games that just railroad you through the entire game without letting you make a single decision, barring "Which gun I use 2 kill baddy"? Not the hundreds of games where the Protagonist acts like a complete dickhead and gets into stupid (not funny stupid; stupid stupid) situation that YOU have to extricate him from? Instead You're going to go with fucking Mass Effect 2.
Well, Fuck you, dear sir. And fuck internet Criticism. Giving everyone a voice just results in pointless, worthless whining. And that's what you're doing. You're not complaining, you're whining.