Have we forgotten how to be ladies and gentlemen?

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NinjaDuckie

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I've been reading the Chap Manifesto again lately because I am indeed upset by the lack of gentlemanly behaviour in modern society. I first started reading that book when I was 14 and promised that never again would I be a typical teenager, and would henceforth patrol the streets as a chivalrous defender of righteous behaviour and fighter of those who wouldst violate public decency.

Or something. What I'm getting at is that yes, public standards have dropped. And yes, we should do something about it. But right now I don't have a tweed suit and a hat. In actual fact, though... I've seen that society has the capability to be more upstanding about things (having witnessed a woman being punched in the face by a yob who was subsequently blocked off by angry drivers, chased by about half the street and beaten up until the police arrived) - maybe we're just going through a phase and it'll wear off by maturity.
 

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Dressing slutty is just a trend that you don't have to pay attention to just as being orange is a trend in the UK. I don't see how this majorly effects anyone else since your not being forced to mate with these creatures: Let the masses have their orange slutty WOMENZ
 

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Its mostly been diluted and redefined over the ages.

thoguh I know when i assault women i always bow to them and respectfully kick and punch their pregnant bellies until the babies dribble out in a mess of blood.

oka, seriously, i dont do that. I'm actually rather gentlemanly, or at least I'd like to think so.
 

Richardplex

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I'm waiting for Top hats and monocles to come back into fashion. My upperlip will never be so stiff again.
Colour-Scientist said:
pulse2 said:
I'd much rather skimpy outfits and gimp suits to the dry society you're proposing.
I'm not expecting everyone to be like that at all, to be honest I like how things are, but I "prefer" those days. Saying that, I have difficulty in taking most people seriously if they don't even have basic manners or self respect. I know that that is just me, which is why I started the discussion to see the variety of opinions :)
But who are you to gauge someone's self-respect and self-worth by how much or how little they wear?[/quote]
I believe someone said in the thread about ME3's new character that a person's appearance can embody who they are, the parts where you can choose at least (hair, clothing, body shape etc). Not to say that I do this personally, I'm indifferent to everything, but it's justifiable.
 

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Richardplex said:
I'm waiting for Top hats and monocles to come back into fashion. My upperlip will never be so stiff again.
Tally-ho, eh what? Don't forget the handlebar moustache.

Loner Jo Jo said:
I had a friend who was male who would walk me home almost every night when I was at university. Now, most people thinks that is sweet. Had that happened a hundred years ago, I would probably be considered a ruined woman.
It's a strange coincidence then, that during my first year of university I had a friend I would walk home with at night because I didn't want her walking alone (where I live was pretty bad for people being mugged/knifed etc). Just as a matter of chivalry, though. She mistook it for me being romantically attracted to her, which made things a little awkward.
 

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NinjaDuckie said:
Richardplex said:
I'm waiting for Top hats and monocles to come back into fashion. My upperlip will never be so stiff again.
Tally-ho, eh what? Don't forget the handlebar moustache.

Loner Jo Jo said:
I had a friend who was male who would walk me home almost every night when I was at university. Now, most people thinks that is sweet. Had that happened a hundred years ago, I would probably be considered a ruined woman.
It's a strange coincidence then, that during my first year of university I had a friend I would walk home with at night because I didn't want her walking alone (where I live was pretty bad for people being mugged/knifed etc). Just as a matter of chivalry, though. She mistook it for me being romantically attracted to her, which made things a little awkward.
Capital old boy! And of course a cane to keep away the riff-raff.
 

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I am curious to which days of old you are referring too anyway that is not important. While I do support the manners and the wearing of the monocles and top hats, I do not support what it actually stood for.

The clothing and the manners were too show social status, to show that those who wore the clothes and practiced the manners were more "civilized". It was a facade to hide what the human really is, an animal and in my opinion it failed at hiding it because the facade was nothing more then a social ritual which you gained status with. Even animals have their own social rituals so I don't see how one of ours would make us less beast or better, beside it being more complex and the complexity just means that we are an higher evolved animal still not less beast.
 

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i dont care what people wear as long as its tastefull. A skirt is lovely even if its a little short but dont do around showing me your goodies and for gods sake men if your wearing a belt use it! dont have your pants hanging around your ass I dont want to see your underwear and neither does my mother girlfriend or daughter. though i really want to know what happend to holding the door open for others...i mean its not that hard. I do it all the time and im not saying that i go around in a suit but a pair of jeans and a t-shirt it fine the only time any of my family members wear anything skimpy is when my girl and i go swimming and she does that just to tease me.
 

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NinjaDuckie said:
It's a strange coincidence then, that during my first year of university I had a friend I would walk home with at night because I didn't want her walking alone (where I live was pretty bad for people being mugged/knifed etc). Just as a matter of chivalry, though. She mistook it for me being romantically attracted to her, which made things a little awkward.
I guess that's a symptom of this change. If a guy does anything nice for a girl, he must want to get in her pants. It's a shame really.
 

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screw the archetype of "ladies" and "gentleman"

virtue. that's all you need to reach for in my opinion, and not necessarily the 3 religious virtues, just the four standard philosophical virtues, fortitude, temperance, prudence, and justice.
 

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...you seem kinda wound up. Would you really want a world where every girl wears baggy, turtleneck sweaters, or one where they wear bikinis to work (Provided they are desirable women)?
 

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Flamingpenguin said:
Yes, to some degree. I believe our culture has
What happened to the honorable knight?
What happened to the renaissance man?
What happened to the dapper gentleman?
Equal Treatment.

These days I'm scared to hold a door open for women, in case I offend one of the few fanatical feminists out there.
 

NinjaDuckie

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Loner Jo Jo said:
I guess that's a symptom of this change. If a guy does anything nice for a girl, he must want to get in her pants. It's a shame really.
It was especially awkward and ironic because I'm gay.

Burnhardt said:
These days I'm scared to hold a door open for women, in case I offend one of the few fanatical feminists out there.
Yeah, I almost expect to hear a snide "I can manage the door by myself," rather than the polite "thanks" I got from other kids and teachers in school. What happened to politeness?
 

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stefanbertramlee said:
The past was shit.

For everyone

Bonus shityness if you were born not a white Christain male.
This. People seem to forget that "manners" and "etiquette" were social rules put in place to separate the nobility from common folk. And, as much as they are idealized to be decent anachronisms, the nobility of that time were just as much of a pack of liars as politicians are today.

But the times change, and the rules have changed accordingly. Keep in mind that it used to be fashionable to sport a few extra pounds because it meant that you didn't have to do manual labor and were in the money. Now, if you're a little overweight, you're a common pleb while the truly wealthy have the strict diet and exercise regimens. Needless to say, the social conventions of the modern day have changed, as well. In my honest belief and experience, I've found that honesty is what's served on a silver platter while lying is the common course.

Think about any office environment you've ever been in (or imagined or read in Dilbert or something.) Muted, more subtle colors are the most common form of attire (off-white button up shirts and khaki pants/dresses) while workers use the same type of computer at the same type of desk in the same type of cubicle. It's a tactic to keep inner conflict down by promoting an air of "sameness." Everyone in an office has to work together for the sake of their company and their own jobs. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're all friends. The truth of the matter is is that some of the people there absolutely despise each other. But they lie and wear a mask and play nice while at work for the sake of cohesion.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Michele Bachmann, and every celebrity with a reality show gets to spout his or her mouth off and let their opinions, regardless of how nonsensical or offensive or outright stupid they may be, flow freely.

And do you know why this is? It's because the high profile celebs and the politicians can afford it. Each and every single one of them has a publicist who makes sure that their public identity remains squeaky clean and helps to clean up any messes that might come from an errant statement. It's one of the many benefits of having that level of wealth. You don't have to be held responsible for what comes out of your mouth, or, at the very least, you're held less accountable.

But the rest of us don't have that comfort. The rest of us don't have publicists and PR experts to call on when we commit a social faux pas. If I make a racist statement at my workplace, I can guarantee that I'm about to lose my job regardless of whether I was right or wrong. So in the end, it's easier for the rest of us to lie rather than tell the truth and face the consequences.

tl;dr Chivalry is dead, so get used to lying through your teeth.

And now, for the joke portion of this post:

Of course I respect women! I once dated a chick with big boobs, and I respected that.
 

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I don't want to be a gentleman. I don't want to meet ladies and gentlemen on the street. I don't want to know men and women. I want to know humans and people.
 

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pulse2 said:
I prefer the way people looked in the old days, they looked so respectable in their fine outfits and beautiful dresses
while dying of heat exhaustion . . .

Out of curiosity, how would you feel on men in those dresses?
 

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The thing you seem to be forgetting is that not everyone was a "gentleman" or a "lady". The vast majority of the population lived in poverty and treated each other with far less respect and manners than we do today. It was only the upper classes who upheld these ideals and, at least here in Britain, continue to do so today (excluding certain individuals).

People haven't forgotten, you are just overestimating the amount of people who ever knew.
 

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Dags90 said:
pulse2 said:
Saying that, I have difficulty in taking most people seriously if they don't even have basic manners or self respect.
And you judge self respect primarily on sartorial choices?
Colour-Scientist said:
pulse2 said:
I'm not expecting everyone to be like that at all, to be honest I like how things are, but I "prefer" those days. Saying that, I have difficulty in taking most people seriously if they don't even have basic manners or self respect. I know that that is just me, which is why I started the discussion to see the variety of opinions :)
But who are you to gauge someone's self-respect and self-worth by how much or how little they wear?
In short, yes, it's not something that I can help, its just the way I think, admittedly its wrong because I can prejudge, but to my credit I give everyone a chance to convince me that they are not who they seem. If I was to turn my nose up immediately, I would not be friends with half the people I know because they either had kids too early, appeared to be arrogant and ignorant, appeared to not be very educated and other little things like that.

I know its wrong, but its who we are, we decide who we want to associate ourselves with and fall for based on how that person presents themselves because in short, we can't fall in love with or be friends with everyone on the planet and my heart frankly isn't large enough to provide the same love for everyone the way I love my friends, family and GF.

I WILL judge people on how they appear because that's just what is presented to me but I won't make that obvious to you, in fact you wouldn't know because I wouldn't tell you, but the people I change my mind about and think are in tangent with me I will make efforts to keep in touch with. I know people judge me too for being black, but I don't wear hoodies so its entirely up to the individual what they want to make of me and to be honest I don't care because like I said, I have the people I care about and I know how I want myself to be perceived.

It's just a personal opinion, I don't particularly mind the way people dress to be honest, that's not my issue here at all, but if say, a black person like myself was pulled over for looking shady, I think they have no one else to blame but themselves if they are wearing a hood over their head, cap and bopping everywhere, its wrong, but that's the stereotype and you are meeting it, in the same way that dressing revealing and demanding to be seen as a lady is laughable to me, because if THAT is what a 'lady' is, then I see that as insulting to women who try to be more than just a sex symbol and dressing half naked to me is just that, attention seeking for a sexual purpose, why else would you want to reveal everything unless you wanted to be a nudist. If so, then just come out and say it, I'm all for freedom.

I also find it pretty stupid that one should refer to them self as a slut, that would be like me referring to myself as a n****r, which would also be stupid considering the term is used to lower a human being to that of filth.
 

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Vrud said:
pulse2 said:
I prefer the way people looked in the old days, they looked so respectable in their fine outfits and beautiful dresses
while dying of heat exhaustion . . .

Out of curiosity, how would you feel on men in those dresses?
Lol, men had to wear the full suit as well yaknow, its just as stuffy.

Obviously I'm exaggerating, I don't expect us all to revert back to that, I'm just saying I 'personally prefer' those days, but there are still nicely dressed self respecting people today, there is nothing wrong with a frilly dress or even shorts and jeans on a female and males in anything that can be seen as 'fine'.

What I don't personally like is skirts that look like belts, g-strings coming over the top of the trousers, bras hanging out of tops, that sort of stuff. Even then, basic manners is also a sign of a respectable person. I can't tell you the amount of times I've felt to curse someone for spitting near me, smoking in my face, pushing in front of me etc. It drives me mad.


AND THIS ALL HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH CULTURE, RACE, YOUR FASHION STYLE etc. Just very basic things that a surprising number of people lack.