Have We No Shame?

[Nageck]

He was shot by pro-life extremists... I don't think you can get any more ironic.

It's not ironic. You could see it coming from a mile away. If I asked you who would kill an abortionitist because he performs abortions, would you not say a pro-life radical. That guy would, he had bodygaurds. It would be ironic if a pro-choice radical killed him. It's only hypocritical. Misuse of the word ironic is one of the most serious threats to the English language. So is irregardless.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Well, you can't exactly *not* blame religion either...

 

[Mantonio]

Here's a link to the modern version of the Hippocratic oath.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

Would you care to point out the specific part that he broke?

That's not a Hippocratic oath, that's Louis Lasagna oath. (Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.)

The doctor was an oldie, so he took the original oath http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html and the part he broke is:


I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.

Yes, it is the Louis Lasagna oath. A widely used modern version of the original oath. The original one isn't as simple as it appears, what with it being from Ancient Greece and everything. The part you've pointed out being a part of this. It says you shouldn't give a women something that causes an abortion, but it also says to always do your best for the patient. What if the patient dies unless she has an abortion? It's never a black and white issue.

 

[WeedWorm]

Not really surprised to be honest, thats fundies for you.

 

[SilentHunter7]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

Wow. I've just been insulted in three different ways in one sentence. That's got to be a record. You should have thrown a Polish joke in there, that would've made it 4.

And reported. Your bigotry is not welcome here.

For everyone who isn't blinded by their hatred of God, I say the guy who did it is a psychopath and should have to answer for his crime. Painfully. Nothing justifies murdering a man for doing his job. All this guy managed to do with this is hurt his own cause. Which means he's a flaming idiot, in addition to being a low-life wretch.

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

Wow. I've just been insulted in three different ways in one sentence. That's got to be a record. You should have thrown a Polish joke in there, that would've made it 4.

And reported. Your bigotry is not welcome here.

For everyone who isn't blinded by their hatred of God, I say the guy who did it is a psychopath and should have to answer for his crime. Painfully. Nothing justifies murdering a man for doing his job. All this guy managed to do with this is hurt his own cause. Which means he's a flaming idiot, in addition to being a low-life wretch.

Exactly, this is not religion's fault, this is a very bad case of extremism. It's the same with the animal rights nuts who firebomb research laboratories. Not all religious people are bat-shit crazy. Get it right people...

I mourn for the guy who was killed, I read up about it and he was aborting babies who had major birth defects, not healthy babies as far as I know. The hate that is directed at the abortionists is shameful, Tiller and his wife were being mobbed by these "pro-life" extremists daily. If they are Pro-Life they should damn well stick to those silent protests and not go killing and bullying people.

I'm Pro-Choice for sure, but I think that they shouldn't be allowed to abort babies at 6 months (apart from the ones that have major defects), they could live outside the womb at that age.

 

[CuddlyCombine]

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

Biggest example I can think of is Hitler's rise to power and the Holocaust. Those weren't caused by religion, just Aryanism. Sure, he used God to justify this, but an important contributing factor it was not. World War One, as has been mentioned, is another example.

IRT: Despicable, but, what can ya do? People like this exist. Everywhere. No escaping them. Unfortunate that the good doctor had to die; he was practicing his occupation. Nothing wrong with that. Whether or not people agree with his field of choice isn't a reason to put him down.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Well, you can't exactly *not* blame religion either...

Yes you can. You blame the man who shot him, because he was insane. He's the only one responsible for this event.

 

[timmytom1]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Why get your hopes up when someones going to come around the corner within 5 minutes and crush your hopes underheel?

 

[TheMatt]

oh those crazy christians.

"killing people is immoral, therefore you must die!"

(of course fetuses are not people, they are organic putty, but the christfag who killed tiller didn't believe that)

seriously people, this is a prime example of the evils of religion.

OMG! Look the fuck out dude. the jesus heads are gonna rip you a new one. According to them this has nothing to do with religion. Religion has never caused ANYTHING bad, EVER, and it's all around just fantastic.

You have been warned.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Yes you can. You blame the man who shot him, because he was insane. He's the only one responsible for this event.

Sure, but then you have a load of people going "what motivated" and eventually... either religion or mental illness shall be used.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Yes you can. You blame the man who shot him, because he was insane. He's the only one responsible for this event.

Sure, but then you have a load of people going "what motivated" and eventually... either religion or mental illness shall be used.

And Mental illness is the correct choice.

You don't have to blame religion. You only blame religion if you're ignorant and you want an excuse to further belittle the beliefs of others.

 

[DestroytheTyrant]

To me there both murderers

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

Since when is MURDER a form of protest? This is what makes me worry about the world. Not that he was shot, that they were allowed to shoot him.

Apparently.

Unfortunately it seems to me that murder is commonly accepted by many groups as a method of protest. We usually just call it terrorism though, like it should be known.

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

How did you come to that conclusion?

It was a foolish, tragic act of extremism that will sadly now undermine the mostly peaceful pro-life protests that have gone on for decades now, but nobody has come forward and condoned it.

My point is that someone obviously came to the conclusion that it was justified. I'm not condemning all pro-lifers, and I hope that doesn't appear to be my intent.

This does give pro-lifers a bad name, most are peaceful. There are plenty of examples of pro-choice people being violent. So it is not exclusive to one side, plus this is the first abortion doctor killed in 11 years so it is not like it happens on a regular basis. Also, you can't fault people for calling George tiller what he was, a mass murderer that doesn't mean we condone his murder.

Abortion is difficult. When you immediately say anything people snap at you and you become hated forever. That's why I won't say anything about the morals of abortion. Religion is about being nice, not stopping people from stopping people from having babies.

Religion isn't about being nice in the sense that you are thinking. We are meant to love others but that doesn't mean we can't speak up against injustices such as abortion. Again though the murder of an abortionist is not the best way to stop it.

On the one hand, this is awful. Blatant murder. Let me clarify this my stance. This is a horrible event, And I hope that if the guy gets caught he receives full possible punishment.

On the other hand though. Tiller Practiced Late-term abortion. (IE. drilling a hole through the fully formed babies skull, very soon before birth.) Which in my eyes makes him a murderer as well. Serial killer infact. Who's killed hundreds of children.

And now pro abortion people have a martyr. Oh joy. And he was just the most outspoken doctor at his clinic, so it's not like doing this will affect anything

Exactly, so it actually doe more harm than good for the pro-life cause.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

You know what? Killing children is for the greater good, at this point and time saves resources for those who already live.

Really? Up to what age?

All i can say is those doctors now have a REASON to be paranoid

I just hope that the American government treats these people as the terrorists they are. Operation Rescue seems to fit the criteria for a terrorist organization.

Don't blame Operation Rescue, they have denounced this act.

Unbelievable. I now support abortion.

That doesn't seem very logical. Choosing to support something just because someone was killed for doing it? Maybe I should support Lee Harvey Oswald's actions because he was murdered for murdering JFK.

To me there both murderers

Agreed

Those "pro lifers" morons DID WHAT?!? PRO LIFE? OH YEAH LET'S SHOT YOU THEN SAY "I KILLED YOU SO I CAN TAKE FREEDOM OF CHOICE AWAY FROM WOMEN!" Really nice, "pro-lifers, more like "pro-no choice"

WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE if they want to carry a parasite in their belly for the next 9 months, not some morons who would kill people who just do their damn job.

How is it a parasite when it has unique human DNA?

 

[Mockingjay]

Why can't views just differ. Why do people feel intervening in this way will help make their views a reality? I feel sick.