Have We No Shame?

[dontworryaboutit]

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

Since when is MURDER a form of protest? This is what makes me worry about the world. Not that he was shot, that they were allowed to shoot him.

Apparently.

Unfortunately it seems to me that murder is commonly accepted by many groups as a method of protest. We usually just call it terrorism though, like it should be known.

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

How did you come to that conclusion?

It was a foolish, tragic act of extremism that will sadly now undermine the mostly peaceful pro-life protests that have gone on for decades now, but nobody has come forward and condoned it.

My point is that someone obviously came to the conclusion that it was justified. I'm not condemning all pro-lifers, and I hope that doesn't appear to be my intent.

 

[ElephantGuts]

I'm glad that these extremists think their beliefs allow them to kill people who disagree with them. Because that's how we make the world a better place, right?

(I'm sure that was plenty obvious but since this is the internet, /sarcasm)

 

[Lord George]

Theres an interesting article on the BBC about this and the different mindset between American and the rest of the world, its all down to Region having too much influence in America apparently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8076906.stm

Also doesn't this go against the "pro-life" idea, if you want to force babies to be born then surely they can't approve of murder? Those Americans are crazy.

 

[TheMatt]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I seriously hope that this thread won't devolve into that.

 

[Sanaj]

Another case where a difference of opinion/belief caused a death at the hands of an extremist.

This story does mark another sad example of a lack of humanity and a conscience.

No, I won't place the blame on religion.

I will point out a couple of the problems that caused this...
People having rigid beliefs and being completely intolerant of a difference of opinion.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

Since when is MURDER a form of protest? This is what makes me worry about the world. Not that he was shot, that they were allowed to shoot him.

Apparently.

Unfortunately it seems to me that murder is commonly accepted by many groups as a method of protest. We usually just call it terrorism though, like it should be known.

Right, we're rounding up the "Murder is a form of protest" fuckwads and killing them. Now.
It's for the good of humanity, trust me.

It's times like these I consider going into politics and becoming Prime Minister, just to get some fucking sense in this world.

Damn, this has angried me up, I'm swearing every other post now

 

[Sindre1]

Now this is why people don't like America. I am quite sure something like this would never have happened most other places.

But never mind that. IN A CHURCH? Not that that makes it any worse, its just the mere self-contradictory of it!
Poor doctor :'(

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I seriously hope that this thread won't devolve into that.

To late

You know, George Tiller was clearly a religious person.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

Since when is MURDER a form of protest? This is what makes me worry about the world. Not that he was shot, that they were allowed to shoot him.

Apparently.

Unfortunately it seems to me that murder is commonly accepted by many groups as a method of protest. We usually just call it terrorism though, like it should be known.

Right, we're rounding up the "Murder is a form of protest" fuckwads and killing them. Now.
It's for the good of humanity, trust me.

It's times like these I consider going into politics and becoming Prime Minister, just to get some fucking sense in this world.

Damn, this has angried me up, I'm swearing every other post now

I see what you did there. Or at least I think you did. The whole thing makes me think of a cartoon I saw once where a man holding a sign reading 'War' is being hit in the face by a man with a sign reading 'Peace'.

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I seriously hope that this thread won't devolve into that.

To late

I seriously hope you're wrong, but my suspicions tell me otherwise.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Now this is why people don't like America. I am quite sure something like this would never have happened most other places.

But never mind that. IN A CHURCH? Not that that makes it any worse, its just the mere self-contradictory of it!
Poor doctor :'(

What?

People are killed all the time in other countries. If you're talking about people killing over religion, then you really need to look at the rest of the world.

 

[InProgress]

This news just reinforced my belief that Americans need to round up all the religious lunatics and pro-life extremists and dump them into a state of their own. And permanently seal the borders. Let them live like they want to, but without the right to leave said state. Sure, it infringes on human rights, but so is shooting a man in a fracking church just becasue he takes the life of the philosophically-problematic faetus.

 

[TheMatt]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

I think I went at this the wrong way. So yes, you are correct.

how bout the middle east? how about the 15+ murders and bombings of abortion clinics. War in Somalia? Russians vs Georgia?

It's ALL religion.

Frankly I think it was very rude of you to say "let's hope we're mature enough to not blame this on religion" when this is so obviously a religious issue.

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

I'm frankly just mortified that such a thing is considered a legitimate form of protest.

Since when is MURDER a form of protest? This is what makes me worry about the world. Not that he was shot, that they were allowed to shoot him.

Apparently.

Unfortunately it seems to me that murder is commonly accepted by many groups as a method of protest. We usually just call it terrorism though, like it should be known.

Right, we're rounding up the "Murder is a form of protest" fuckwads and killing them. Now.
It's for the good of humanity, trust me.

It's times like these I consider going into politics and becoming Prime Minister, just to get some fucking sense in this world.

Damn, this has angried me up, I'm swearing every other post now

I see what you did there. Or at least I think you did. The whole thing makes me think of a cartoon I saw once where a man holding a sign reading 'War' is being hit in the face by a man with a sign reading 'Peace'.

Oh no, this isn't protest. That's just attempted prevention. This is the cure. We get rid of them now, then everyone knows that murder isn't a form of protest and anyone in the future who thinks that way knows what happens to them if they try it.

 

[pigeon_of_doom]

My point is that someone obviously came to the conclusion that it was justified.

Ok, it's just that the pro-life movement is the one being singled out for criticism here, while many other groups have committed coordinated crimes on a much larger scale. This thread has the potential to become a straight out condemnation of pro-life, with as much validity as the contempt in which Sharia Law is sometimes held due to the actions of an extreme minority.

And, Internet Kraken, no matter how much evidence you show to the contrary, I don't think you'll be able to make TheMatt refute his point. Despite many well known civil wars, revolutions and other disastrous events having nothing to do with religion.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

That strikes me as odd. I wasn't aware Jesus had taken a stance on the issue of abortion.

 

[Sindre1]

Now this is why people don't like America. I am quite sure something like this would never have happened most other places.

But never mind that. IN A CHURCH? Not that that makes it any worse, its just the mere self-contradictory of it!
Poor doctor :'(

What?

People are killed all the time in other countries. If you're talking about people killing over religion, then you really need to look at the rest of the world.

People killing people in a place that clames it is against that act. For their personal opinions. And I said most places.
And I meant in the west. My bad for not saying.

 

[A random person]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Uh, this was religiously motivated. The man's not representative of regular Christians in any way and is crazy, but it was motivated by that in addition to being crazy.