Have We No Shame?

[dontworryaboutit]

My point is that someone obviously came to the conclusion that it was justified.

Ok, it's just that the pro-life movement is the one being singled out for criticism here, while many other groups have committed coordinated crimes on a much larger scale. This thread has the potential to become a straight out condemnation of pro-life, with as much validity as the contempt in which Sharia is sometimes held due to the actions of an extreme minority.

And, Internet Kraken, no matter how much evidence you show to the contrary, I don't think you'll be able to make TheMatt refute his point. Despite many well known civil wars. revolutions and other disastrous events having nothing to do with religion.

I completely agree with what you're saying, and I really hope it doesn't become that because it was not my intent.

Unfortunately, it seems to be heading in that direction.

 

[bodyklok]

Well I'm just glad that this 'Scott Roeder' person surrendered without a fight. The last thibg this needs is more bloodshed.

 

[Toners]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I seriously hope that this thread won't devolve into that.

To late

You know, George Tiller was clearly a religious person.

It's probably the fact that he was religious, coupled with the fact that he was "murdering". But tbh, if you're going to kill someone (which is morally questionable) for doing something of questionable religious moral... you're an enormous tool O.O I mean, killing an unborn foetus is one thing... killing a guy who thinks it's right is plain idiocy.
It's a shame there are people like that in this world :S

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

I think I went at this the wrong way. So yes, you are correct.

how bout the middle east? how about the 15+ murders and bombings of abortion clinics. War in Somalia? Russians vs Georgia?

It's ALL religion.

Frankly I think it was very rude of you to say "let's hope we're mature enough to not blame this on religion" when this is so obviously a religious issue.

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

No, this is just a bunch of psychopaths killing people over religion. This is no reason to blame religion. Blame the idiots who use it as an excuse to kill people.

Also, why the hell would you blame the war between Russia and Georgia on religion? That makes no sense. People are killed all the time for many reasons aside from religion.

Ask almost any religious person about this crime. They will tell you that it is horrible. This is just one group of psychopaths that are killing because of religion. Again, if someone killed a priest because they believed in God, would you blame it on Charles Darwin?

 

[asinann]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Most pro-life terrorists are religious zealots, so yes, I think we can effectively and correctly blame this on religion.

I forgot to type a word, so sue me.

 

[Captain Pancake]

He was shot by pro-life extremists... I don't think you can get any more ironic.

Bang on the money, my friend.

 

[Christemo]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I blame god

i blame christianity.

 

[Pendragon9]

He was shot by pro-life extremists... I don't think you can get any more ironic.

Wow. That is an excellent little piece of irony.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Uh, this was religiously motivated. The man's not representative of regular Christians in any way and is crazy, but it was motivated by that in addition to being crazy.

Again, people are jumping to conclusions. The article does not give enough details about the killer for us to know that he was a religious psychopath.

Still, that is not a reason to blame religion. The man was crazy. Blame him, not religion.

 

[Susano]

Again, if someone killed a priest because they believed in God, would you blame it on Charles Darwin?

No, but I would condemn the use of the belief in Charles Darwin's theory to justify the action, and really I don't think that's what he's doing, he isn't blaming god. (I think?)

 

[sallene]

I say all the reasonable people get together(create a screening test to make sure no wackos of anykind can join) and build a space ark/torch ship and blast off into space and then nuke the earth from orbit.


Its the only way to be sure.


edit- yes that was sarcasm.



Over all this was the work of on troubled individual. However it does not change the fact that although some of the anti-abortion crowd(while dismissing this act of violence) are probably jumping for joy on the inside.

That kind of hate is unfortunately endemic to humanity. Hopefully we learnt to leave it behind before we wipe each other out.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Most pro-lifers are religious zealots, so yes, I think we can effectively and correctly blame this on religion.

Pleas provide proof that most people that are pro-life are fanatics.

 

[GruntOwner]

It gets worse [http://www.armyofgod.com/]
Warning: Shock images employed to get the point across, NSFW and not for faint hearted

It's sad that stuff like this actually happens, and as much as I'd like to think that the UK is safe from it, I recall some of the stories back when the met police was being accused of racism, one of which stated that 2 officers posessed KKK robes. Forunately, this kind of nut can't last long in a modern society/world, there's just too much hate headed their way for them to recruit.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Most pro-lifers are religious zealots, so yes, I think we can effectively and correctly blame this on religion.

That is an extremely sweeping generalization that I cannot condone. That's akin to claiming every German during the Second World War was a filthy Nazi who should have been tried at Nuremberg.

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

I blame god

i blame christianity.

I'm glad that you present such a well-founded and elegant argument.

 

[asinann]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

I think I went at this the wrong way. So yes, you are correct.

how bout the middle east? how about the 15+ murders and bombings of abortion clinics. War in Somalia? Russians vs Georgia?

It's ALL religion.

Frankly I think it was very rude of you to say "let's hope we're mature enough to not blame this on religion" when this is so obviously a religious issue.

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

No, this is just a bunch of psychopaths killing people over religion. This is no reason to blame religion. Blame the idiots who use it as an excuse to kill people.

Also, why the hell would you blame the war between Russia and Georgia on religion? That makes no sense. People are killed all the time for many reasons aside from religion.

Ask almost any religious person about this crime. They will tell you that it is horrible. This is just one group of psychopaths that are killing because of religion. Again, if someone killed a priest because they believed in God, would you blame it on Charles Darwin?

Read the bible much? Most of the old testament tells you to hate things because god hates them. The same all loving god that is in the new testament.

If the bible wasn't an established religious document and hadn't been for 1500 years, people wouldn't follow it NOW. Read it objectively and you will see how arbitrary and insane the book sounds. Like all other religions before it, when it finally get phased out people will laugh at it's lack of believability.

 

[TheMatt]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Most pro-lifers are religious zealots, so yes, I think we can effectively and correctly blame this on religion.

This statement is made of win.

 

[Pendragon9]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

I think I went at this the wrong way. So yes, you are correct.

how bout the middle east? how about the 15+ murders and bombings of abortion clinics. War in Somalia? Russians vs Georgia?

It's ALL religion.

Frankly I think it was very rude of you to say "let's hope we're mature enough to not blame this on religion" when this is so obviously a religious issue.

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

Wrong. All wrong.

Religion is not to blame for this. Man is. He takes part in religion, so Man is to blame. Get rid of religion, and man will simply find something else to fight over.

IT's sad that humanity works that way, but it's true. As much as you hate religion, it's not all bad.

But seriously, as much as I think abortion is a disgusting way to kill off human lives, it's sad that religious nutjobs are giving the rest of us a bad name by not practicing what they preach. Whatever happened to turning the other cheek? How about practicing peace towards your fellow man?

I know Tiller wasn't a man enjoyed by the community of Christians and CAtholics, but murdering him was a horrible thing that the killer did. If he was doing it for the church, then may the law have mercy on him.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm hoping that we are mature enough not to blame this on religion.

Actually no, I cannot. In fact I am surprised to even see this post. Of COURSE this was some religious nut from the south. It always is with you Americans.

Wasn't the last guy who did this sort of thing (he sniped them if i remember correctly, 5-10 yrs ago now) some crazy baptist?

First of all, it doesn't even say that the person who killed him was a religious nut. It gives little detail about the person that killed him. Don't jump to conclusions.

Secondly, you can't blame religion for the actions of one psychopath. It's not religions fault that this man decided to kill George Tiller. If a man who believe in natural selection shot a priest, do we blame Charles Darwin?

All the crazy shit IN THE WORLD is caused by religion. Prove me wrong if you can, honestly.

My premise - ALL the "bad" stuff that happens in the world is because of religion. All of it.

Ok, I just thought of one that isn't, North Korea, that's purely political. ok, so ALL of it except that one.

World war 1

I think I went at this the wrong way. So yes, you are correct.

how bout the middle east? how about the 15+ murders and bombings of abortion clinics. War in Somalia? Russians vs Georgia?

It's ALL religion.

Frankly I think it was very rude of you to say "let's hope we're mature enough to not blame this on religion" when this is so obviously a religious issue.

When they bombed 3 clinics on Christmas Day they called it a gift for Jesus. So gimme a break.

No, this is just a bunch of psychopaths killing people over religion. This is no reason to blame religion. Blame the idiots who use it as an excuse to kill people.

Also, why the hell would you blame the war between Russia and Georgia on religion? That makes no sense. People are killed all the time for many reasons aside from religion.

Ask almost any religious person about this crime. They will tell you that it is horrible. This is just one group of psychopaths that are killing because of religion. Again, if someone killed a priest because they believed in God, would you blame it on Charles Darwin?

Read the bible much? Most of the old testament tells you to hate things because god hates them. The same all loving god that is in the new testament.

If the bible wasn't an established religious document and hadn't been for 1500 years, people wouldn't follow it NOW. Read it objectively and you will see how arbitrary and insane the book sounds. Like all other religions before it, when it finally get phased out people will laugh at it's lack of believability.

I am aware of the content in the Bible.

But do you think every single Christian follows the Bible word for word? Clearly George Tiller was religious. Do you think he followed every word of the Bible?

 

[dontworryaboutit]

It gets worse [http://www.armyofgod.com/]
Warning: Shock images employed to get the point across, NSFW and not for faint hearted

It's sad that stuff like this actually happens, and as much as I'd like to think that the UK is safe from it, I recall some of the stories back when the met police was being accused of racism, one of which stated that 2 officers posessed KKK robes. Forunately, this kind of nut can't last long in a modern society/world, there's just too much hate headed their way for them to recruit.

That horrifies me to no end. It's that kind of thinking I just can't understand. I have no problem with pro-lifers at all. I have a problem with people who find this acceptable and worse yet, worthy of praise.

Read the bible much? Most of the old testament tells you to hate things because god hates them. The same all loving god that is in the new testament.

If the bible wasn't an established religious document and hadn't been for 1500 years, people wouldn't follow it NOW. Read it objectively and you will see how arbitrary and insane the book sounds. Like all other religions before it, when it finally get phased out people will laugh at it's lack of believability.

That's due to people's interpretations of the Bible. They choose to believe that. Just because someone reads Mein Kampf doesn't mean they are suddenly possessed by an urge to propagate the master race. That's just a knee-jerk reaction. It's easy to blame religion when things turn to shit. You're painting the entire belief system with the same brush.

 

[Neonbob]

It gets worse [http://www.armyofgod.com/]
Warning: Shock images employed to get the point across, NSFW and not for faint hearted

It's sad that stuff like this actually happens, and as much as I'd like to think that the UK is safe from it, I recall some of the stories back when the met police was being accused of racism, one of which stated that 2 officers posessed KKK robes. Forunately, this kind of nut can't last long in a modern society/world, there's just too much hate headed their way for them to recruit.

mmmm. Tasty.
Please remember, however, that not all christians are whacked-out morons!
Speaking for myself, this is kind of funny. I'm damaged, as I've said before, but killing people to prove a point about killing babies is delicious.