Have you ever used Cocaine?

[Mint Rubber]

sorry double post

 

[Mint Rubber]

no offense, but you sound like someone who has no experience with drugs or researched anything about the matter either.

Of course I don't have experience with TAKING drugs, that's the whole idea of my post.

Once you talk to a few people who work inside the drug-prevention/enforcement system, once you hear a few of the horror stories...it's enough.

=> i never said I researched anything.

My whole message was anti-drugs at a personal level. I don't have any statistics or studies, just logic and common sense.
I'm sorry if that is not enough.

 

[RJ 17]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

 

[The Pinray]

If you can name it, and it doesn't involve a needle, I had more than likely used it.

High school (and some college) was wild.

I'm clean now, though. I'd say just keep the drugs illegal. They lead to nothing good.

Marijuana is fine though. I still don't understand why it's not legal.

 

[flarty]

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Please define "natural strain", because I believe by the definition you're using would put almost all crops into the "unnatural" category. Selective breeding has occurred for every domesticated plant, it's integral to the process of plant domestication. I'm not yet aware of anything like transgenic weed.

yeah if it occurs at a natural level from bees and insects then fair enough, but when cross pollinating 2 different plants from opposite sides of the world, then i wouldnt call that natural.

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

Well it just seems that your under the impression that weed is harmless, when no drug is truly harmless.

no offense, but you sound like someone who has no experience with drugs or researched anything about the matter either.

Of course I don't have experience with TAKING drugs, that's the whole idea of my post.

Once you talk to a few people who work inside the drug-prevention/enforcement system, once you hear a few of the horror stories...it's enough.

=> i never said I researched anything.

My whole message was anti-drugs at a personal level. I don't have any statistics or studies, just logic and common sense.
I'm sorry if that is not enough.

sorry if you stated later in the post that it was your opinion, i'm trying to read these posts with a toddler running wild and may miss the odd line (no pun intended considering the title topic)

 

[jpoon]

I've done it a couple times, it's a blast but as everyone knows it's extremely taxing on the body and mind. Haven't tried it again in years now, and i plan to keep it that way...I'm just going to go straight to crack!


Captcha: gravy train
Damn straight!

 

[RJ 17]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

Well it just seems that your under the impression that weed is harmless, when no drug is truly harmless.

Never said it wasn't harmless. Again: I'm saying it shouldn't be classified as a drug.

Though of the various mind-altering things out there, I'd argue that weed is the most harmless of them.

 

[flarty]

Fair enough, but that is up for debate. Personally my vote would go to mushrooms or dmt.

 

[liquidsolid]

I did it once a few years ago just to try it out. I haven't done it since then and don't plan on ever doing it again. It's really expensive and the 'good feeling' doesn't last very long.

I advocate the legalization of marijuana because it is a generally harmless substance with low addiction rates (those addicted are psychologically addicted which is also possible with non-substances such as...VIDEO GAMES LOL). However, cocaine is a harmful drug that causes its users to be severely addicted. I see no reason for cocaine to be legalized.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I have, once. I didn't like it very much, I didn't feel very in control. I think, I can appreciate why people take drugs like it for the buzz, but it's too much for me to really handle, plus the health effects are pretty massive.

I don't think it should be legalised in any form. I'm really quite liberal towards drugs; I'm all for mdma and marijuana, but cocaine is pretty dangerous (I know I've just said I'm for mdma, but that's not nearly as addictive or damaging).

 

[flarty]

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Please define "natural strain", because I believe by the definition you're using would put almost all crops into the "unnatural" category. Selective breeding has occurred for every domesticated plant, it's integral to the process of plant domestication. I'm not yet aware of anything like transgenic weed.

yeah if it occurs at a natural level from bees and insects then fair enough, but when cross pollinating 2 different plants from opposite sides of the world, then i wouldnt call that natural.

Of course it's not natural. It's called artificial selection, which is different to natural selection.


Oh education, what a wonderful thing you are...

Anyways, the fact that two strains of weed from different countries or even continents may be cross-pollinated does not in any change the fact that weed is still a plant, not a chemically synthesised drug. While cross-pollination may fall under artificial selection, it still uses the plant's entirely natural method of reproduction to germinate and create a new strain of weed.

I take it that you would also argue that puppies created by cross-breeding a Dachshund and a German Shepard are not real dogs, as such a mating could never occur in nature?

So you've lost me? I was trying to say that cannabis is not all the natural safe drug (which it is) RJ17 seemed to believe it was. I'm not sure what your point is. If you want to bring selective breeding of dogs in to it, maybe pedigree dogs would be a good example especially with the birth defects many suffer from. But why are we talking about dogs? Maybe you've had a joint and your mind is now wondering?

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

To OP: no, cocaine should not be made legal. Drugs in general should only be used when presciped by a doctor for a serious medical problem.

It's not my intention to preach. You're free to do whatever you want.

Keeping or making things illegal is a far cry from "you're free to do whatever you want."

 

[m1garand23]

Nope.

But I'm against all drugs (Yes, weed as well), and would love to see them made completely illegal.

Well, except painkillers ofcourse.
Come to think of it, in what category does morphine fall? I know the doctors insisted I used it when I broke my arm.

captcha: high time
How appropriate

Morphine is derived from the opiate family, from which heroine is is also derived, provides an euphoric feel to it and a total allivation from all forms of stress and most pain. unfortunatly it is these feelings from which the addiction comes from and a small bottle of medical grade morphine is worth a hell of a lot on the black market, in britain it is classed as a class A drug and highly illegal for sale by an un-authorised vendor. On another darker note it was used by Dr Harold Shipman to murder his paitents.

OT: No, never tried it and in all honestly never want to, weed is the furthest i have streched. but i do agree with the legalisation as it is the only way i think to control it, and to make it safer. same with all drugs, except meth that stuff simply ruins lives.

 

[Rose and Thorn]

I haven't tried cocaine yet, but I would probably try it. I am not the type for addiction and I am not overly bothered by drugs.

I don't really have an opinion on if it is moral or should be legal. Much like alchohol, drugs will effect everyone in different ways, I like alchohol for how it numbs me and makes me feel more courage, joy and nostalgia, but some people turn for the worse with alchohol.

The same applies to drugs, it's not so much the drugs as it is the people that use them I have an opinion about. If someone enjoys a sniff of powder from time to time, but is a real stand up kind of guy that doesn't let drugs effect their life, then who am I to say what they are doing is morally wrong?

 

[DirtyJunkieScum]

Yes, used to do a lot in my late teens and early 20's but I really can't stand uppers these days.

I don't see anything wrong with it morally, the morals of the cartels that make and ship the stuff is a different matter but stuffing a chemical up your nose is no issue to me.

Legally I think the best thing would be to have it available from licensed pharmacists on a kind of prescription system to at least attempt to keep track of who was getting hold of what.

 

[flarty]

So you've lost me? I was trying to say that cannabis is not all the natural safe drug (which it is) RJ17 seemed to believe it was. I'm not sure what your point is. If you want to bring slective breeding of dogs in to it, maybe pedigree dogs would be a good example especially with the birth defects many suffer from. But why are we talking about dogs? Maybe you've had a joint and your mind is now wondering?

My point was that you were using very selective arguments to try and argue your point.

The fact that cross-pollination is not a natural process has no bearing on the efficacy of cannabis as a substance.

The reason I brought up dogs is because the breeding of dogs and cannabis is actually very similar. Despite the wide variety of breeds and appearances, all domestic dogs are part of the same genus, which is why they can breed with each other. The same is largely true of cannabis. There are two sub-sets of cannabis, Indica and Sativa, that nonetheless fall under the same genus, and can be bred with each other. All subsequent strains of cannabis arise from nothing more than cultivating and selecting certain characteristic traits from these two strains.

Your argument seemed to be "Well, there's artificial pollination going on, so drugs!" when in actual fact, we've been using artificial selection on pretty much every living thing we've domesticated for thousands of years. The wide variety of cannabis plants is simply another extension of that, and in no way is it comparable to the breaking down and altering the chemicals of the cocoa plant to make cocaine, or the even harder laboratory science that goes into making stuff like heroin.

Cannabis may not be a completely safe drug (though studies show that it is more harmless than tobacco and alcohol), but it is by far the most natural substance any drug dealer is going to offer you outside of shrooms.

Oh right, so because it grows out of the ground and isnt process in a lab it isnt a drug?
I'm pretty sure that isnt how drugs are defined. Which isnt my argument, my argument was it isnt completely natural, as you've said its subject to artifical selection (it doesnt matter how long its been practiced for, its called artifical for a reason) and it isnt completely safe, due to "artifical selection" cannabis is a lot stronger than once was and can increase the chances of suffering from psychosis
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/03March/Pages/smoking-weed-cannabis-psychosis-symptoms.aspx

And thats not even mentioning the criminal element involved
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6319541.stm

(also i'm pretty sure you could of found a better example than dogs, like corn for example?)

 

[Unsilenced]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

But they're still drugs. The fact that these things occur in nature does nothing to make them better, and if you agree with that, then I have to wonder what you think the difference is between a refined plant like cocaine and one that's picked like weed.

drug/drəg/
Noun:
A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body, in particular.

Note that there is no exception there that says "Unless it's all natural and organic and shit."

Weed's a drug. So are shrooms and opium.

*sunglasses* Deal with it.


EDIT: Also, do you have any idea how much effort man has put into making weed what it is today? A caveman could not go out and find the type of plants people smoke these days. That took a few hundred years of work by... you guessed it, man.