Have you ever wanted the bad guy to win?

[RedDeadFred]

The Cabin in the Woods.

Jesus fucking Christ Marty, is eight more minutes of living really worth (and I quote) "The agonizing death of every human soul on the planet"?

Ya... I really didn't get this. The movie was great, and then the ending happened. I can kind of understand Marty doing it simply because he was talking about how humanity needed to be knocked down a peg (or something to that extent) because we are shitty, but I don't get the girl randomly deciding to. I can't tell if the movie's message was "look at how stupid pot smokers are -they'd kill us all if they had the chance!" or "humanity sucks and we all need to die." I would've liked them to overthrow the ancient ones, but barring that, I was pretty on board with them needing to die. Crappy situation, but necessary.

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

It would depend. I can't think of anything specific, but if both the protagonist and antagonist are equally fleshed out enough, then I think it would open up to some neat possibilities. Death Note, for instance, could've worked with either side winning. It depends on how both sides are portrayed, otherwise the villain winning would be cruel and mean-spirited, and not in a good way.

 

[UmberHulk]

That was how I reasoned while playing System Shock 2 xD
Especially the line that went "It is my will that gave you your cybernetic implants (the only beauty in that meat you call a body. If you value that meat, you will do as I say)" and I just thought "yeah, fair enough". I had no problems working for Shodan as long as she didn't betray me and kept the upgrades flowing... Is that a problem? =P

personally through out all of System Shock 2 I was thinking "is being part of a collective consciousness really that bad compared to letting a psychotic AI with delusions of godhood have her way".

 

[Dagda Mor]

I often find myself rooting for the villains because they're just cooler and more entertaining than the heroes, but I don't want them to actually win. Of course, I do usually want the villain to win in stories where the protagonist is a total prick, like A Clockwork Orange. Murder is a suppression of free will in and of itself, and there should absolutely be no moral question about whether it's okay to deny Alex his free will, since he murders people just for fun.

 

[ArcadianDrew]

Yeah, Hard Candy. That movie made me side with the pedophile, which is quite a feat.

I came in halfway through the film when some flatmates were watching it, so all I saw was some crazy girl torturing a guy and being all 'what a *****, I hope he gets her in the end'. When my flatmates said he was a paedophile she was getting revenge on, that was kinda awkward.

OT: The shark from Jaws: Revenge. Those stupid Brodys decide the best way to escape the shark is to keep going near water. Remove yourselves from the gene-pool please. Also the fact that they were all boringly/poorly written didn't exactly endear them to me. In comparison the shark's character was positively nuanced.

 

[ZeroFarks]

Egads, already to page two and no one has mentioned Star Trek: Into Darkness?

If there was ever a "villain" who was justified in his actions it was Khan. Everything he does in that movie is done with the goal of either saving his crew (who he considers his "family") and getting revenge on the Section 31 boss who basically had been using his crew to extort him into being his puppet for so many years.

In contrast, Kirk & crew seem like little more than a bunch of self-serving teenagers out to impress someone who, it turns out, is sending them on a suicide mission for his own personal agenda.

And even when they figure out that they've been given the shaft they are still naïve enough to think that the rest of Starfleet Command wouldn't just dump them all into a vat of lye and say their ship was lost in a training accident in order to cover up for all of Section 31's embarrassments. Let's be realistic: When someone catches someone in power lying, who gets in more trouble: The person in power, or the person who catches them? Spare me the "utopian" vision - in real life Kirk & friends would have had black-bags over their head the next day and ended up blamed for the whole thing. It's not like Section 31 was just one man & one ship, after all.

Also for the record: Yes, the dreadnaught crashes into Earth and kills untold thousands of people. It does this because Spock sabotaged it with the trick torpedoes, and any half-way competent investigation would place the blame on his shoulders for recklessly blowing a hole in said dreadnaught while it was still in Earth's gravity well, full-well knowing that it would crash into the planet somewhere. If anything they were lucky the engines didn't explode on impact. "Criminal Negligence" does not begin to give justice to the folly of Spock's actions. Which goes perfectly in synch with the above as an excuse to make Kirk & friends disappear.

Bonus: Notice how in the film they tried to retcon Khan's backstory into making him out to be a mass-murderer during the Eugenics Wars? In the original "Space Seed," however, they clearly said that Khan's rule was the most enlightened of all the "tyrants" of that era, noting "there were no massacres" under his rule.

And finally, oh yeah, they said that war with the Klingons is coming. Well even if it wasn't true before it certainly would be after Kirk & friends basically raid the Klingon capitol and wiped out an entire company of their soldiers. Luckily Earth is prepared, having finally finished their new top secret... oh... ummm, ooops? Well don't worry, we've still got the designer... oh... ummm, crap he's frozen again? Well certainly the destroying of half of the city and Star Fleet Academy won't cause any delays in getting the rest of the fleet ready for battle, right? Um, right?

So basically the epilogue of the movie is "Earth Conquered by Klingon Empire and it's all Kirk's Fault."

 

[Mike Richards]

Earth has withered and died and only a few hard-boiled soldiers survived and are now on a quest to retrieve a key with which they can activate the cryostasis chambers full of infants that would allow humanity to be reborn. But the one person that could help them save our race is a scout that was sent ahead and has gone full native, and sides with them over his own species. He tries to keep the key for himself and attacks them. When they take the key by force (after having also been attacked by the locals repeatedly) they hastily try to initiate a terraforming process, since they have to assume they will shortly be overwhelmed if they don't act fast. In retaliation the former scout destroys their ship, killing off all the unborn infants and forever dooming his own species to extinction. The last survivor of the soldiers that fought so hard to save humanity has a heroic breakdown and lets himself be killed out of desparation.

What a horrible downer ending, am I right?

Now replace "Earth" with "Krypton" and "Race-Traitor" with "Clark Kent", and you have the plot of man of steel.

You forgot to mention the part where (A the planet they were trying to fully restore had some pretty fucked up parts they didn't want to change, (B the survivors were only attacked after attacking first, and (C they were willing to completely exterminate another sentient species to accomplish their goal. They don't hastily start terraforming and they aren't going to be overwhelmed, it's quite conclusively established that it was their plan to start with and they kick the ever-loving shit out of the locals without breaking a sweat. They do it because they don't care about them. Kinda puts a different spin on it

 

[RedDeadFred]

Ya... I really didn't get this. The movie was great, and then the ending happened. I can kind of understand Marty doing it simply because he was talking about how humanity needed to be knocked down a peg (or something to that extent) because we are shitty, but I don't get the girl randomly deciding to. I can't tell if the movie's message was "look at how stupid pot smokers are -they'd kill us all if they had the chance!" or "humanity sucks and we all need to die." I would've liked them to overthrow the ancient ones, but barring that, I was pretty on board with them needing to die. Crappy situation, but necessary.

Isn't it pretty much just 'Oh, fuck you'? I'd be pretty angry in their position.

So.... doom everyone you've ever loved to an agonizing death because you were feeling spiteful? Ya, I don't buy that for a second. The only logical explanation I thing I can think of is that they are both sociopaths. If that's the case, they didn't seem like they were throughout the rest of the entire movie. Poor writing either way IMO. The rest of the movie was excellent though so I think it made up for it. I think the ending just isn't meant to be taken seriously or have any thought put towards it. Heck, most movies are like that. If you start thinking about their plots, you may find that they're quite nonsensical. It's just this movie's ending was especially apparent to me on my first viewing. My immediate thought when I saw the ending was "so those two main characters are essentially the absolute worst people to ever live."

 

[freaper]

Constantly.

The ability to relate to a villain is often what makes them so great. Two major examples for me is Frances X Hummel of The Rock and Light Yagami of Death Note.

The other kind of villain I root for is the one whose simply more interesting than the heroes. This is can often be the case in typical slasher flicks. How often have you been kind of disappointed that the killer was foiled by some boring kid who got lucky.

I was actually going to mention Death Note myself, although I've always remembered its ending as being really well executed. The villain lost in a spectacular way, so even though I was rooting for him the whole way through, I wasn't disappointed.

 

[Tiamattt]

Psycho Pass - An anime on Netflix I watched recently.

Spoiler: SPOILER WARNING

The anime takes place in Future-Japan, where the entire world has gone to shit except for Japan, as it has turned its government over to the Sibyl System, a massive computer network that handles food production, all government functions, and which eliminated most crime by scanning all citizens brains, identifying people's 'Criminal Coefficient' and punishing imprisoning them on that basis alone. Firearms are illegal, and the only police force left use pistols that actively scan people and decides for the user whether the can stun, kill, or not fire, effectively meaning even the police have no ability to administer justice as they see fit. It also determines what you can do with you life, based on a single test .And at the beginning of the show, this is said to be the perfect government.

This notion is instantly dissolved when the Sibyl System labels a recent rape victim as a criminal, and tells the police to kill her. We meet 'Enforcers', latent criminals with high criminal coefficients who are effectively bullied into becoming slaves to police detectives, or be locked into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. We then get thrown the main antagonist of the show, a psychopathic narcissist who believes the Sibyl System has destroyed all freedoms, and who the Sibyl System cannot read, effectively making him immune to police intervention since their firearms wont work on him. And you want him to win so bad, because he's trying to destroy what is effectively Uber Fascism IN THE FUTURE. Your urge for him to win is doubled when you find out that Sibyl is not a computer, but over 200 psychopath's removed brains linked together.

But alas, they eventually kill him, and Sibyl, who's secret is been revealed to the main protagonist, gets a pass because 'everyone's happy in ignorance.'

The show isn't over yet, but the acceptance of Sibyl with only the pathetic remark that 'When we have a better way, we'll stop using you' is just frustrating as hell.

It's dinner time. I'll think of some more later.

That's to be my choice too.

Spoiler

Shogo was a bastard but Sybyl really needed to die so I really wanted him to win, which considering the writer it was actually something I thought possible, however I did like the ending to the first season it was pretty amazing, I mean it was pretty weird because all characters had completely different motivations, it was really interesting and I was really genuinely surprised that the one that "won" was Kogami and not Tsunemori, anyway I wanted Shogo to win but I let it slide because the show is still interesting and the second Season has been pretty good so far, still it's pretty weird that I was rooting for the psychopath that was going around killing people and helping other people kill people mainly for amusement.
Anyway I'd suggest watching the second season but it's only on episode 5 or 6 right now so unless you want to subscribe to Funimation's streaming service it's probably best to wait for the DVD or until they add it to Netflix, though I have no clue if they will add it to Netflix.

I can see where you guys are coming from but I have to respectfully disagree

Spoiler

Yes the system was evil but Makishima was a irredeemable monster. Rooting for him would be like rooting for Joker as he's happily murdering his way to take down President Lex Luthor for fun. If Makishima was simply going after the system sure he would be worth rooting for, but he took innocent lives while enabling other murderers to do the same just for as you said mainly amusement. This isn't someone I wasn't to win, this was a person I wanted a bullet in his head. The only time he felt like the lesser of 2 evils is when we got to find out the huge secret behind system, but even then he decided to up his game by attempting to cause anarchy through starvation. Him winning would've led to carnage, countless deaths and unimaginable suffering for the few survivors, which is exactly what he wanted since then he wouldn't be so bored anymore and that in turn makes him a awesome villain, but not someone I would ever root for.

Was happy to hear it got a 2nd season, here's hoping it shows up on Netflix eventually

Was wondering if I would ever get a chance to talk about this series here.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

People mentioning Law Abiding Citizen, you were supposed to cheer Butlers character on, at the start. Once you get to the point where he

Spoiler

murders an inmate with a steak knife and starts indiscriminately targeting people involved with the legal process

he becomes less sympathetic. He had his real revenge at the start of the movie. For the rest of it he just seems unable to stop escalating things.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

Upon closer inspection of this thread, it would seem it is more accurately described as "Have you ever wanted the antagonist to win?", due to the number of people arguing in favor of the antagonist's position (myself included).
Oh well, that's a much more interesting topic anyway.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Psycho Pass - An anime on Netflix I watched recently.

Spoiler: SPOILER WARNING

The anime takes place in Future-Japan, where the entire world has gone to shit except for Japan, as it has turned its government over to the Sibyl System, a massive computer network that handles food production, all government functions, and which eliminated most crime by scanning all citizens brains, identifying people's 'Criminal Coefficient' and punishing imprisoning them on that basis alone. Firearms are illegal, and the only police force left use pistols that actively scan people and decides for the user whether the can stun, kill, or not fire, effectively meaning even the police have no ability to administer justice as they see fit. It also determines what you can do with you life, based on a single test .And at the beginning of the show, this is said to be the perfect government.

This notion is instantly dissolved when the Sibyl System labels a recent rape victim as a criminal, and tells the police to kill her. We meet 'Enforcers', latent criminals with high criminal coefficients who are effectively bullied into becoming slaves to police detectives, or be locked into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. We then get thrown the main antagonist of the show, a psychopathic narcissist who believes the Sibyl System has destroyed all freedoms, and who the Sibyl System cannot read, effectively making him immune to police intervention since their firearms wont work on him. And you want him to win so bad, because he's trying to destroy what is effectively Uber Fascism IN THE FUTURE. Your urge for him to win is doubled when you find out that Sibyl is not a computer, but over 200 psychopath's removed brains linked together.

But alas, they eventually kill him, and Sibyl, who's secret is been revealed to the main protagonist, gets a pass because 'everyone's happy in ignorance.'

The show isn't over yet, but the acceptance of Sibyl with only the pathetic remark that 'When we have a better way, we'll stop using you' is just frustrating as hell.

It's dinner time. I'll think of some more later.

That's to be my choice too.

Spoiler

Shogo was a bastard but Sybyl really needed to die so I really wanted him to win, which considering the writer it was actually something I thought possible, however I did like the ending to the first season it was pretty amazing, I mean it was pretty weird because all characters had completely different motivations, it was really interesting and I was really genuinely surprised that the one that "won" was Kogami and not Tsunemori, anyway I wanted Shogo to win but I let it slide because the show is still interesting and the second Season has been pretty good so far, still it's pretty weird that I was rooting for the psychopath that was going around killing people and helping other people kill people mainly for amusement.
Anyway I'd suggest watching the second season but it's only on episode 5 or 6 right now so unless you want to subscribe to Funimation's streaming service it's probably best to wait for the DVD or until they add it to Netflix, though I have no clue if they will add it to Netflix.

I can see where you guys are coming from but I have to respectfully disagree

Spoiler

Yes the system was evil but Makishima was a irredeemable monster. Rooting for him would be like rooting for Joker as he's happily murdering his way to take down President Lex Luthor for fun. If Makishima was simply going after the system sure he would be worth rooting for, but he took innocent lives while enabling other murderers to do the same just for as you said mainly amusement. This isn't someone I wasn't to win, this was a person I wanted a bullet in his head. The only time he felt like the lesser of 2 evils is when we got to find out the huge secret behind system, but even then he decided to up his game by attempting to cause anarchy through starvation. Him winning would've led to carnage, countless deaths and unimaginable suffering for the few survivors, which is exactly what he wanted since then he wouldn't be so bored anymore and that in turn makes him a awesome villain, but not someone I would ever root for.

Was happy to hear it got a 2nd season, here's hoping it shows up on Netflix eventually

Was wondering if I would ever get a chance to talk about this series here.

Spoiler

I get what your saying, and I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the fact the the good guys are basically the SS with happy faces. Only two main protagonist have truly negative thoughts about Sibyl - One is a Enforcer that's been a slave since he was 5 years old, and the other is completely fine with Sibyl until she learns about the brain bit. Mikishima may be an irredeemable monster, but at least he's capable of recognizing what Sibyl is doing, and he's doing something about it, while everyone else thinks everything's just gravy.

I'm not saying that the villain is a better person then the heroes, per say - only that I wanted Sibyl to go down more then I wanted them to catch a criminal. Particularly when even the protagonist that hate Sibyl would likely replace it with a similar system, because she has nothing but praise for the results of Sibyl, and only has a problem with Sibyl (The Brains) itself (Unless something more has been done about that in Season 2).

Spoiler: Future spoilers, do not read unless you have no intention of watching, or unless you've already read the synopsis for the movie

Also, Sibyl is confirmed to survive season two, and will probably survive the movie that will follow too. I wont be watching anymore of this series myself.

 

[Duster]

A lot of the time.

>avatar
>wall street
>metal gear rising
>platoon (the lieutenant didn't deserve to die, although some people say that it was just to stop him from taking charlie to court for disobeying orders)
>gravity (natural selection was the antagonist)
>apocalypse now(He didn't even take evidence, why even bother killing him?)

>a game of thrones
I wish geoffry wasn't given a forced, distasteful disposition, and was given a more subtle, plotting one, but with equal malice and passionate spite. It would've been a nice window into the corruption and insanity that some nations where subject to in ye old times (although most where just sane people using drama as an excuse to invade people for their land)

 

[Tiamattt]

Spoiler

Psycho Pass - An anime on Netflix I watched recently.

Spoiler: SPOILER WARNING

The anime takes place in Future-Japan, where the entire world has gone to shit except for Japan, as it has turned its government over to the Sibyl System, a massive computer network that handles food production, all government functions, and which eliminated most crime by scanning all citizens brains, identifying people's 'Criminal Coefficient' and punishing imprisoning them on that basis alone. Firearms are illegal, and the only police force left use pistols that actively scan people and decides for the user whether the can stun, kill, or not fire, effectively meaning even the police have no ability to administer justice as they see fit. It also determines what you can do with you life, based on a single test .And at the beginning of the show, this is said to be the perfect government.

This notion is instantly dissolved when the Sibyl System labels a recent rape victim as a criminal, and tells the police to kill her. We meet 'Enforcers', latent criminals with high criminal coefficients who are effectively bullied into becoming slaves to police detectives, or be locked into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. We then get thrown the main antagonist of the show, a psychopathic narcissist who believes the Sibyl System has destroyed all freedoms, and who the Sibyl System cannot read, effectively making him immune to police intervention since their firearms wont work on him. And you want him to win so bad, because he's trying to destroy what is effectively Uber Fascism IN THE FUTURE. Your urge for him to win is doubled when you find out that Sibyl is not a computer, but over 200 psychopath's removed brains linked together.

But alas, they eventually kill him, and Sibyl, who's secret is been revealed to the main protagonist, gets a pass because 'everyone's happy in ignorance.'

The show isn't over yet, but the acceptance of Sibyl with only the pathetic remark that 'When we have a better way, we'll stop using you' is just frustrating as hell.

It's dinner time. I'll think of some more later.

That's to be my choice too.

Spoiler

Shogo was a bastard but Sybyl really needed to die so I really wanted him to win, which considering the writer it was actually something I thought possible, however I did like the ending to the first season it was pretty amazing, I mean it was pretty weird because all characters had completely different motivations, it was really interesting and I was really genuinely surprised that the one that "won" was Kogami and not Tsunemori, anyway I wanted Shogo to win but I let it slide because the show is still interesting and the second Season has been pretty good so far, still it's pretty weird that I was rooting for the psychopath that was going around killing people and helping other people kill people mainly for amusement.
Anyway I'd suggest watching the second season but it's only on episode 5 or 6 right now so unless you want to subscribe to Funimation's streaming service it's probably best to wait for the DVD or until they add it to Netflix, though I have no clue if they will add it to Netflix.

I can see where you guys are coming from but I have to respectfully disagree

Spoiler

Yes the system was evil but Makishima was a irredeemable monster. Rooting for him would be like rooting for Joker as he's happily murdering his way to take down President Lex Luthor for fun. If Makishima was simply going after the system sure he would be worth rooting for, but he took innocent lives while enabling other murderers to do the same just for as you said mainly amusement. This isn't someone I wasn't to win, this was a person I wanted a bullet in his head. The only time he felt like the lesser of 2 evils is when we got to find out the huge secret behind system, but even then he decided to up his game by attempting to cause anarchy through starvation. Him winning would've led to carnage, countless deaths and unimaginable suffering for the few survivors, which is exactly what he wanted since then he wouldn't be so bored anymore and that in turn makes him a awesome villain, but not someone I would ever root for.

Was happy to hear it got a 2nd season, here's hoping it shows up on Netflix eventually

Was wondering if I would ever get a chance to talk about this series here.

Spoiler

I get what your saying, and I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the fact the the good guys are basically the SS with happy faces. Only two main protagonist have truly negative thoughts about Sibyl - One is a Enforcer that's been a slave since he was 5 years old, and the other is completely fine with Sibyl until she learns about the brain bit. Mikishima may be an irredeemable monster, but at least he's capable of recognizing what Sibyl is doing, and he's doing something about it, while everyone else thinks everything's just gravy.

I'm not saying that the villain is a better person then the heroes, per say - only that I wanted Sibyl to go down more then I wanted them to catch a criminal. Particularly when even the protagonist that hate Sibyl would likely replace it with a similar system, because she has nothing but praise for the results of Sibyl, and only has a problem with Sibyl (The Brains) itself (Unless something more has been done about that in Season 2).

Also, Sibyl is confirmed to survive season two, and will probably survive the movie that will follow too. I wont be watching anymore of this series myself.

Spoiler

I don't really blame the good guys, they simply don't know about the monster that's hiding in the basement and like the rest of that society has resigned their fate over to it. From our POV it seems crazy and wrong, but they've been doing it for decades, they've all had the benefits and drawbacks of living under the system and have gotten used to it. Ignorance is bliss is strong in this series.

As for Mikashima doing something about it, that was good but the ways he was trying to accomplish that goal makes it impossible for me to root for him. Looking back there's no point in the series where he could've been someone I wanted to succeed, for most of the series he was fueling murders that couldn't help his cause at all just for fun, the one time he actually goes after the system he makes sure there's a huge horrific event to help buy him time and lastly the whole wipe out the food supply thing. In every situation there was only the feeling of him needing to go down and hard, although in retrospect there was no real opportunity for me to feel otherwise. The only thing he did after we've learned about how truly terrible the system was go after the food supply and there was absolutely no way I wanted him to succeed there. Of course even if we found out earlier I would still have a extremely hard time rooting for him considering the terrible ways he was trying to do it.

In this particular discussion Makishima didn't need to be better than the heroes, he just had to be someone that I wanted to win. Problem was the only way he would have won is with a extremely long trail of bodies behind him and if I had between a very active mass murderer that wasn't even all that focused on his goal over a evil yet mostly passive tyrant ruling over a fake paradise I would have to go with the tyrant. Wouldn't be happy about it but at least there will be plenty of people to take down the tyrant someday compared to them being dead thanks to a psychopath's boredom.

Sucks that you're not going to watch anymore but that's your choice and I respect you for it. I would however request that next time we speak you keep the future spoilers/confirmations to yourself, rather learn about that kind of stuff the old fashioned way. Thanks

 

[Kae]

Psycho Pass - An anime on Netflix I watched recently.

Spoiler: SPOILER WARNING

The anime takes place in Future-Japan, where the entire world has gone to shit except for Japan, as it has turned its government over to the Sibyl System, a massive computer network that handles food production, all government functions, and which eliminated most crime by scanning all citizens brains, identifying people's 'Criminal Coefficient' and punishing imprisoning them on that basis alone. Firearms are illegal, and the only police force left use pistols that actively scan people and decides for the user whether the can stun, kill, or not fire, effectively meaning even the police have no ability to administer justice as they see fit. It also determines what you can do with you life, based on a single test .And at the beginning of the show, this is said to be the perfect government.

This notion is instantly dissolved when the Sibyl System labels a recent rape victim as a criminal, and tells the police to kill her. We meet 'Enforcers', latent criminals with high criminal coefficients who are effectively bullied into becoming slaves to police detectives, or be locked into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. We then get thrown the main antagonist of the show, a psychopathic narcissist who believes the Sibyl System has destroyed all freedoms, and who the Sibyl System cannot read, effectively making him immune to police intervention since their firearms wont work on him. And you want him to win so bad, because he's trying to destroy what is effectively Uber Fascism IN THE FUTURE. Your urge for him to win is doubled when you find out that Sibyl is not a computer, but over 200 psychopath's removed brains linked together.

But alas, they eventually kill him, and Sibyl, who's secret is been revealed to the main protagonist, gets a pass because 'everyone's happy in ignorance.'

The show isn't over yet, but the acceptance of Sibyl with only the pathetic remark that 'When we have a better way, we'll stop using you' is just frustrating as hell.

It's dinner time. I'll think of some more later.

That's to be my choice too.

Spoiler

Shogo was a bastard but Sybyl really needed to die so I really wanted him to win, which considering the writer it was actually something I thought possible, however I did like the ending to the first season it was pretty amazing, I mean it was pretty weird because all characters had completely different motivations, it was really interesting and I was really genuinely surprised that the one that "won" was Kogami and not Tsunemori, anyway I wanted Shogo to win but I let it slide because the show is still interesting and the second Season has been pretty good so far, still it's pretty weird that I was rooting for the psychopath that was going around killing people and helping other people kill people mainly for amusement.
Anyway I'd suggest watching the second season but it's only on episode 5 or 6 right now so unless you want to subscribe to Funimation's streaming service it's probably best to wait for the DVD or until they add it to Netflix, though I have no clue if they will add it to Netflix.

I can see where you guys are coming from but I have to respectfully disagree

Spoiler

Yes the system was evil but Makishima was a irredeemable monster. Rooting for him would be like rooting for Joker as he's happily murdering his way to take down President Lex Luthor for fun. If Makishima was simply going after the system sure he would be worth rooting for, but he took innocent lives while enabling other murderers to do the same just for as you said mainly amusement. This isn't someone I wasn't to win, this was a person I wanted a bullet in his head. The only time he felt like the lesser of 2 evils is when we got to find out the huge secret behind system, but even then he decided to up his game by attempting to cause anarchy through starvation. Him winning would've led to carnage, countless deaths and unimaginable suffering for the few survivors, which is exactly what he wanted since then he wouldn't be so bored anymore and that in turn makes him a awesome villain, but not someone I would ever root for.

Was happy to hear it got a 2nd season, here's hoping it shows up on Netflix eventually

Was wondering if I would ever get a chance to talk about this series here.

Spoiler: More Psycho Pass

Yeah he was a bad guy there's no doubt about it, and yeah starvation is awful but as established in the series they would have to import food from other countries forcing them to renounce their xenophobic ways not to mention that the system itself slaughters countless innocent lives simply because statistics say they may be irredeemable criminals, imprisons others for the same and forces people into roles they might not want in society, which is fine as that is how most societies are but there isn't even a choice to try and fail at something else, I mean revealing the truth like that would have led to total anarchy but I still think that's better than SYBYL, it's the same system that deemed Kogami irredeemable for caring too much about his job.
Also it's a really good show I'm surprised more people don't want to talk about it, I really hope you watch the second season since it's been quite good so far, it's kinda weird but really interesting to not have Kogami and Masaoka, plus the whole having Tsunemori in charge thing is kinda really different.

 

[SD-Fiend]

While they weren't actually villains the only thing I can think of now would be the members of Second Squad from Hero 108. In one episode the Second Squad had a chance to move up to First Squad and replace it's current members (our protagonists) by winning a competition against them. The final event/ tie breaker takes the form of a race where the team leaders have their teammates throw spicy water balloons at their faces. The First Squad lost the race when their teammates couldn't bear to continue harming their leader but they won anyway because they had "restraint" and the Second Squad didn't know when to quit.

 

[duwenbasden]

At the start I usually cheer for the "bad" side. However, if they start doing stupid things (eg. endless talk, nuke the city because lol, stir the hive, etc...) then I'll want the good guys to win.

For example:

- Iron Man 3

Spoiler

Mr. Killian, are you inbred, or just fucking stupid.
"Hey, the one guy who can threaten our operation is in a different country and isn't the slightest bit interested in our stupid conspiracy. Fuck that! Let's go shoot at him!" - Yahtzee

- Bane
Why not. The G.P.D. seems to be incapable to doing shit anyway.