John Kraemer in the Saw movie franchise was a "villain" that I was rooting for the whole time. Of course he ultimately prevailed despite being dead by the end of the 3rd movie.
Scorpius from Farscape was also my hero, despite them presenting him as the villain. He ultimately gets what he want's in the end as well.
In dynasty warriors my favourite kingdom is wei the supposed villains(at least in the ps2 games), the main reason for that is because the guy who is supposed to be the hero liu bei is trying to restore the han dynasty, a dynasty that the game makes perfectly clear is weak and ineffectual, cao cao himself rarely does anything particularly villainous(he?s more of a jerk really) and generally seems like a very capable ruler.
There?s also yuan shao in the newer dw games, he?s such a over the top arrogant douchbag that I actually find him very endearing, I really hope that dw9 gives him his own storyline.
Tom Cruise as the metaphysically/socially therapeutic nihilist, Vincent, in Michael Mann's Collateral: mostly because (aside from it being an obscenely great performance and character) Jamie Foxx's character rarely ever came off well in their existential head to head chitchats.
You're supposed to sympathise with Max, sure, but you invariably end up rooting for the doomed sociopathic badass at the same time.
I hope Pagan Min can win in Far Cry 4. He seems to have his mind in the right direction, however nontraditional. If that is an option, I will bother to get it on PS4 (FC4 has got to be optimized for consoles sometime, right?). I'm talking about massive changes to the world that may be effectively instantaneous, like in Fable 2 (or so I've heard) after the protagonist grows up.
I loved that twist with Nox - he instantly went from a very 1D villain to a peculiar moral dilemma. Had his plan succeeded and he had successfully turned back time as much as he intended to, then it would have reversed every evil thing he'd ever done along with bringing back his family. From a philosophical standpoint, it's hard to argue that he was wrong to burn the world to the ground for the sake of his family, provided it was all going to be undone as if it never happened anyway. Realistically, it's much harder to justify since it had never been done before to that scale and he couldn't be sure it would work.
Amon is the reason I stopped watching Korra. I mean, I never really liked Korra when it was starting anyways, but I don't see Amon as the bad guy, It's kinda like the Magneto problem, only worse. Seriously, the non-benders are pretty much second class citizens. Benders ran the police, the Avatar, The Mafia, and all the government positions (I think) and the muggles have pretty much no way of defending themselves.
Amon is a bender too, actually. Not the best choice for a nonbender movement.
Anyway, after book 1 this is actually adressed. A nonbender becomes leader of the republic. Apart from that, benders are getting less and less powerful and relevant. Technology is becoming more and more important, empowering nonbenders and forcing benders out. Cars, trains, plains and mecha tanks exist in a big way, and it seems that an analogue for nukes is about to be invented.
Additionally, the divide between benders and nonbenders is never as great as you make it out to be. Nonbenders have bender children and benders have nonbender children. Nonbenders can become benders and benders can have their bending taken away. Benders and nonbenders grow up in the same households as literal siblings. Second class citizens is saying a bit much. After all, Sokka and the Sato family did just fine as nonbenders, achieving an incredibly high place in their respective societies. And they aren't rare outliers. While bending certainly helps, nonbenders aren't actively discriminated against. They were just under-represented.
I'm just going to clarify that I only got about 5 or so episodes into Korra, and really didn't like any of it. So talking about the show is pretty out of my element (pun intended)
I'm just going to clarify that I only got about 5 or so episodes into Korra, and really didn't like any of it. So talking about the show is pretty out of my element (pun intended)
Since before the first Avatar. Lionturtles, man, lionturtles. Explained in season 2 of Korra. Then in season 3 you have people who weren't benders becoming benders due to.....certain actions Korra took. It makes sense though. It was established in AtLA that one can take bending away.
Book 1 of Korra was mediocre. Had it's positives and negatives, they balanced each other out into a thoroughly mediocre series. Book 2 was terrible. Incredibly shit. Only bright spot was a two episode flashback to the creation of the first Avatar. Book 3 was incredible. Book 4 is good so far, too early to call it.
Far Cry 3. To accurately describe the fate I wish upon that insufferable wretch of a character known as Jason Brody would be valid grounds for banning me from these forums outright, despite the fact that I have never gotten mod wrath of any kind before. I'm not being hyperbolic there; I fucking mean it. Vaas and his boss were the heroes of that game as far as I'm concerned, despite them being drugged-out homicidal psychopaths living by Machevellian principles (and I hate Machevellian principles). They're White Knights on a quest for peace and justice throughout the land when compared to Brody.
Yeah, I'm not very fond of Jason Brody. Can you tell? XD
Captcha: "hot-blooded" No kiddin', lol! I'm still pissed off, even all these years later.
All this and no one has mentioned the grandfather of all sympathetic villains? Of whom do I speak? Why, Shylock, of course. That Venetian Jew whom the merchant of Venice and his compatriots went to such lengths to rob, defame, and humiliate.
Far Cry 3. To accurately describe the fate I wish upon that insufferable wretch of a character known as Jason Brody would be valid grounds for banning me from these forums outright, despite the fact that I have never gotten mod wrath of any kind before. I'm not being hyperbolic there; I fucking mean it. Vaas and his boss were the heroes of that game as far as I'm concerned, despite them being drugged-out homicidal psychopaths living by Machevellian principles (and I hate Machevellian principles). They're White Knights on a quest for peace and justice throughout the land when compared to Brody.
Yeah, I'm not very fond of Jason Brody. Can you tell? XD
Captcha: "hot-blooded" No kiddin', lol! I'm still pissed off, even all these years later.
I actually wish you could die partway through and switch to Vaas.
Honestly when you look deeper, Vaas was once a normal guy. He ended up on the island, just like Brody. His sister became obsessed with the local tribe, dove into its culture, and most likely forced Vaas to do terrible things in their little conflict with the big boss of the cartel or whatever (I forgot his name). He might've even had to do what Citra forces Jason to do in the endgame ("Them or me! MEEEEE! OR THEM! Like I have to make a fucking choice!"). Vaas jumped ship and dove into drugs and the island's madness to escape the painful reality, and the monster known as Vaas came to be.
Of course, that's up to interpretation.
I may have hated Jason Brody and his dumb friends, but at the very worst they were just obnoxious jackasses. They might've deserved being set straight, but I honestly can't feel that they deserved the crap they went through. I still wanted Vaas to win to an extent (I hated having to kill him. I actually hoped that Jason just ended up having a kooky fever dream where he hacked his way through all of Vaas' men and Vaas ended up just straight up leaving and the tribe assumed he was dead) but at the very least I wanted Jason's friends to leave. Jason though...yeah, he could get fucked. Not because he was adapting to the island, but because the writer played him up as some big allegory for violent video games. Uh, earth to FC3 writers, Spec Ops: the Line did it better.
Seeing him look at his hands and go all "what have I done?" was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
I've seen some folks mention Death Note. Honestly, Light was a character that I feel didn't deserve to win. I missed some parts, but from what I remember from watching the anime way back when: his acquiring the titular DN was bad news from the start. Maybe it's because I watched the anime, but I felt he dove into god-complex territory really damn fast, IMO. Honestly, I felt when I got to the end that he was no different from the criminals he believed himself to be punishing. Cracking a few eggs to make an omelet is not the approach I would take when using a magical murdering notebook to fight crime. I dunno, maybe people just dig his style. I can get that. After all, I think Hazama and the Joker are both awesome characters.
Anyways, when it comes to villains winning, I've got a few.
Dr.Eggman for one, not because he's particularly sympathetic, but because Sonic is a series that I've come to hold in contempt for various reasons. Well, that and because one of his shining moments (when he kills Sonic in SA2) was undone by deus ex machina, which IMO is one of the weakest narrative asspulls in writing.
It's hard sometimes to side with the villain, depending on the story. Sometimes there is no clear-cut antagonist, and other times things are so clear-cut the only reason wanting to see the villain win is because he's better than the protagonist (which is usually a failure of the writer).
Oh, but villains winning...how about Lucifer?
Yeah, Lucifer from Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, and by extension the main character when you join him.
Basically...
God has put the entire world and all of humanity into a never-ending spiral of destruction and resurrection. He has countless times destroyed the entirety of the world and humankind in it, and had someone with an 'idea' be the framework for the next world's construction. He has also in prior games constantly done abhorrent things to humanity for the sake of consolidating his power. In SMT 2 one of his own servants even joins the main character in fighting him, simply because he's been so much of a dick he himself needs to be punished.
But to the point. Lucifer is not a good guy. His only real motive for fighting god is because he hates him. And you are merely a tool for his vengeance. But despite that, I want to see him and the Demi-fiend (main character/you) win, simply because god is such an abhorrent monster throughout the series that he deserves to get his sorry ass kicked.
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