Have you heard of a "Homosexual Therapist?"

[Jacco]

I've never really bought into the argument that people are born homosexual.

Then you are wrong. Try and get a straight guy to watch gay porn and see what happens. He will be limp, whereas a gay/bi man would be aroused as that is their natural reaction to it. It's not something we can help, if people could choose their sexuality then no-one would want to pick an orientation that will potentially make them victims of descrimination and ostracised amonst their friends.

OT: People are right to be upset with him. He's helping people to repress their sexuality, which is not healthy. Worse still, he could be using his experiences to help people find themselves, discover their sexuality and tackle the issues they have. Repressing sexuality does not tackle their issues it only creates more.

In no way whatsoever does your example show that people are born gay or straight.

I didn't say it was a conscious choice, just that people are not born one way or the other.

And from his point of view, he is helping people. If someone genuinely does not want to be gay, then why should they be forced to be? We don't tell transgender people that they cannot under any circumstances be the opposite sex, do we?

 

[AdeptaSororitas]

I believe that, like every other damn thing about being human, it's both a matter of genetic AND environmental effects. Everything else about being human is, so therefor sexuality must as well. Now I'm religious, so I can see why some people see it as strictly environmental, and hey, it may be for you, you may not even be happy about it, so you should have the option of talking it out to see if that's what you actually want to be. However, I'm also Bisexual, so I can see how some people believe its solely genetics (Gaga, I'm looking at you.) which simply said, cannot be wholly true, I'm sorry. Long story short, yeah, I consider him valid, because he isn't FORCING people to change like other hypocritical people, both religious and otherwise.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

 

[Jacco]

So, by this guy's logic, since my parents are divorced and I live with my mother (although my parents do have joint custody so I can see my dad whenever the hell I want), I should be gay. Either I'm the exception or this guy's statements don't hold water. Quite frankly, I'm leaning toward the second one.

He didn't say anything about that being an absolute issue- just that it was for him.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Well those who have unwanted gay feelings might want to see him. Homosexuals (Who I have no problem with) should get the hell over it. He is helping those who want to be helped and nothing else. Why the hell would anyone be against this?

 

[orangeban]

I've never really bought into the argument that people are born homosexual.

Then you are wrong. Try and get a straight guy to watch gay porn and see what happens. He will be limp, whereas a gay/bi man would be aroused as that is their natural reaction to it. It's not something we can help, if people could choose their sexuality then no-one would want to pick an orientation that will potentially make them victims of descrimination and ostracised amonst their friends.

OT: People are right to be upset with him. He's helping people to repress their sexuality, which is not healthy. Worse still, he could be using his experiences to help people find themselves, discover their sexuality and tackle the issues they have. Repressing sexuality does not tackle their issues it only creates more.

In no way whatsoever does your example show that people are born gay or straight.

I didn't say it was a conscious choice, just that people are not born one way or the other.

And from his point of view, he is helping people. If someone genuinely does not want to be gay, then why should they be forced to be? We don't tell transgender people that they cannot under any circumstances be the opposite sex, do we?

Here's the best parallel for it, a big part of the feminist movement is about getting women not to have boob jobs because that's what you do if you don't have big boobs. Instead they tried to convince women to be happy with what they've got. People could still get boob jobs if they wanted, but it was about encouraging people to think about reasons for it, not just going with, "Women should have big boobs".

So yeah, a big part of the homosexual rights movements if making it normal and acceptable to be gay, people shouldn't be upset by it.

Edit: and could we get a name for this dude? If he's both an "gay therapist" and the number one enemy of the gay community then chances are I've read something debunking his crap.

Double Edit: Ah, just saw the real problem in his stuff, it's his title, "gay therapist". Why should being gay be something that requires therapy? You give therapy for mental illness and post-traumatic stress for christs sake.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

Well technically, it's true that it's possible for someone to be sexually confused because of their circumstances. Famous Scottish comedian Billy Connolly was sexually abused by his father as a child which led him to question his own sexuality when he was growing up; after a few experimental and unsatisfying gay encounters he decided that he was simply a straight man who'd known homosexual abuse. This guy seems to be the same, just a straight guy who was confused when he was younger

If this guy is simply helping people understand whether they ARE gay or not, then more power to him. I imagine it can be quite confusing to be a straight guy unsure as to your own sexuality. But my issue is with the idea that he can "treat" people who just don't WANT to be gay, regardless of the fact that, y'know, maybe just just ARE? If you're gay, you're gay, it's not a choice and attempting to get "treatment" for it is just choosing to live in denial. That's an unhealthy attitude and if THAT'S what he's promoting then it's not a good thing.

I've never really bought into the argument that people are born homosexual.

Then you are wrong. Try and get a straight guy to watch gay porn and see what happens. He will be limp, whereas a gay/bi man would be aroused as that is their natural reaction to it. It's not something we can help, if people could choose their sexuality then no-one would want to pick an orientation that will potentially make them victims of descrimination and ostracised amonst their friends.

In no way whatsoever does your example show that people are born gay or straight.

I didn't say it was a conscious choice, just that people are not born one way or the other.

And from his point of view, he is helping people. If someone genuinely does not want to be gay, then why should they be forced to be? We don't tell transgender people that they cannot under any circumstances be the opposite sex, do we?

If people aren't born gay, and if it's not a conscious choice, then what IS it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, pal, you have to choose where you stand.

And if someone does not "want" to be gay even though they are, then we should be helping them to accept their sexuality. What reason could someone have for not "wanting" to be gay? Because they're not attracted to their own gender? Well then, problem solved because they're not gay! No, the only reason someone could have for "not wanting to be gay" is because they've been raised with the viewpoint that being gay is bad, or because they don't want people to think less of them for being gay- and THAT'S the problem.

 

[Cenequus]

Easy to dismiss aspersonal experience exploited into a job later since I have no idea what he means he harbored homosexual thoughts and feelings(I imagine he means dreaming/having sex/masturbating to males?). Also to the naives h might as well just be bisexual.

Beeing bisexual is a very complicated thing, you might only fall in love/desire sexualy someone of the same sex even just once in a lifetime. Many,both heterosexuals and homosexuals,rarelly learn they are bisexuals and since we still live in a world in which homosexuality is threated as a disease when someone falls for the oposite sex is often exploited as a cure as I imagine in this case.

Not that homosexuals don't need therapists,but not that kind. They need a real one that heals the menta wounds of those threated as weirdos,rejects and are beeing mentally and phisically abused at school,home,work place etc.

 

[Cakes]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

Except that of the two (gay sex and "conversion therapy"), one is potentially mentally harmful. Guess which?

 

[Mechanix]

Yeah. I'm going to say he was simply confused and has always been straight.

As for myself, I tried to not be gay, and those were some of the worst years of my life. I hate these people who say they can stop you being gay, as I see it you either are, or your not. If you are, repressing it is one of the worst things you can do.

But that's exactly what he's saying he's trying to help people with. He knows he isn't the only one out there confused about whether they're gay or not, and he's trying to help them. The gay community needs to understand that some people who think they're gay, really aren't gay, and are simply compelled to homosexual thoughts. Yes, it happens.

 

[IncredibleTurnip]

.... such as being sexually absurd...

I know you apologized for typos in advance, but this one was just funny.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

So, by this guy's logic, since my parents are divorced and I live with my mother (although my parents do have joint custody so I can see my dad whenever the hell I want), I should be gay. Either I'm the exception or this guy's statements don't hold water. Quite frankly, I'm leaning toward the second one.

He didn't say anything about that being an absolute issue- just that it was for him.

Which still means that his theory doesn't hold any water, because his experience isn't all that applicable to anyone else.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

Except that of the two (gay sex and "conversion therapy"), one is potentially mentally harmful. Guess which?

Pitty that it 'tis not YOU in this matter. What business do you have?

Ever heard of BDSM? That can be physically harmful or mentally harmful. And yet, where are you trying to stop that? Oh right. It's something two adults wish to do and accept the consequences.

Let me reiterate this: You cannot have it both ways. I'm not demanding this guy be paid for by the state and that he "cures" all gays. But if people wish to engage in this sort of thing, what business do you have to stop them? Oh, right. None.

 

[novixz]

It's pretty bullshit that he can "cure" homosexuality. I have problems to, I'm more toward my mother than father also, that isn't what made me bisexual. Truth is: Okay for real, I grew up around girls, one friend in the neighbor hood is a girl, my sister, not knowing any guys all that. I don't think it comes from me being born like that, it was the conditions I was raised and my environment, my sexuality doesn't stem from problems.


Edit: I don't really like Lady GaGa I like

 

[Jacco]

Yes, it is. But for different reasons than you think.

Anything that I think is inherently superior to what you think. Why? Because of virtus dormitiva (the dormitive principle). The very fact that I'm thinking one thing and not the other makes what I think/thinking superior to the other. Subjectivity, that is the key to the entire thing.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you are getting at. Could you clarify?

 

[Giest4life]

Also, I know anything of value that I had to say I have already said in earlier posts. But I do believe this is the perfect thread to bring out this:

 

[Cakes]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

Except that of the two (gay sex and "conversion therapy"), one is potentially mentally harmful. Guess which?

Pitty that it 'tis not YOU in this matter. What business do you have?

Ever heard of BDSM? That can be physically harmful ore mentally harmful. And yet, where are you trying to stop that? Oh right. It's something two adults wish to do and accept the consequences.

Let me reiterate this: You cannot have it both ways.

In that case, one sends an incorrect message about what sexuality is, which is harmful to an entire community.

S&M is in no way mentally harmful by the way.

 

[AdeptaSororitas]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

You sir have won this thread, congrats, you win: A BRAND NEW CAR!!! ^^

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

Yeah. I'm going to say he was simply confused and has always been straight.

As for myself, I tried to not be gay, and those were some of the worst years of my life. I hate these people who say they can stop you being gay, as I see it you either are, or your not. If you are, repressing it is one of the worst things you can do.

But that's exactly what he's saying he's trying to help people with. He knows he isn't the only one out there confused about whether they're gay or not, and he's trying to help them. The gay community needs to understand that some people who think they're gay, really aren't gay, and are simply compelled to homosexual thoughts. Yes, it happens.

I'm not saying it doesn't, and I have no problem with those people being "helped" as it were if they are really confused and worried about their thoughts. What I was meaning is that there are those who claim that they can "cure" homosexuality, and the way the op says he talks, this therapist , un-intentionality I'd think, also sounds like that. And it is those people I take issue with.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

It's two consenting adults doing something on their own time. None of our business

...

Oh, I'm refering to the therapy.

Spoiler

That goes two ways mi amigos.

Except that of the two (gay sex and "conversion therapy"), one is potentially mentally harmful. Guess which?

Pitty that it 'tis not YOU in this matter. What business do you have?

Ever heard of BDSM? That can be physically harmful ore mentally harmful. And yet, where are you trying to stop that? Oh right. It's something two adults wish to do and accept the consequences.

Let me reiterate this: You cannot have it both ways.

In that case, one sends an incorrect message about what sexuality is, which is harmful to an entire community.

Which community? GLBT? You've still not answered my question. How is this anyone else's business other than the two adults involved? I hear that argument ad nausem and I agree with it. But it's a double edged sword.
Because it "sends the wrong message"? That's enough to start prying into peoples lives? Jeebus!