Heath Ledger's Joker Theory

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Dethenger

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Rawne1980 said:
thaluikhain said:
Dye your hair green, paint your face white, and the police are utterly helpless to even notice you most of the time, it seems.
Marvel as I remove my spectacles and become SUPERMAN.
But Superman's DC!
 

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Dethenger said:
Rawne1980 said:
thaluikhain said:
Dye your hair green, paint your face white, and the police are utterly helpless to even notice you most of the time, it seems.
Marvel as I remove my spectacles and become SUPERMAN.
But Superman's DC!
Still a superhero, same rules apply.

As much lack of logic as you could possibly crayon in.
 

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AlexWinter said:
If he weren't foiled at the last moment by Batman he would have brought the mob to it's knees far faster than any attempts by The Caped Crusader.
You just-Blew. My. Mind.
 

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Anybody ever see that South Park where the kids write a book, and it's called the best book ever written, and everybody starts reading too much into it?


Yeah, just saying.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
thaluikhain said:
Dye your hair green, paint your face white, and the police are utterly helpless to even notice you most of the time, it seems.
Marvel as I remove my spectacles and become SUPERMAN.

Thinking isn't a big thing with comics as a whole.

"How can we disguise a superhero".

"Put some glasses on him, no one will know".

Funnily enough my brother is also a glasses wearing superhero. With them on he is ordinary David but without them he becomes ... "CANTSEEFUCKALL'MAN".
Ah, but Superman's glasses are magic, carved from the windshield of his spaceship or something.

And/or, it's a scathing commentary of the state of US's journalists, now that I think of it.
 

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I always assumed the entire point of Joker was he was an incomprehensible madman who did the things he did simply for the fun of it, of course something resembling a backstory would be nice, hell we don't even know his name. Though that might defeat the point.
 

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I think OP makes a good point in that the joker might have planned to take down the mob just because "screw it, I can fuck over everybody". In that sense, it fits with the motivation of his character. We know he's capable of complex schemes, so that could have just been part of it. Just generating as much chaos and entropy as possible for all parties involved. I HIGHLY doubt it would have been a revenge thing though.

Also, everyone knows that cops can't see clowns.
 

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Not sure if it is cannon for the movie series, but the Joker has been stated to know he is in a comic book and thus can't die. He then proceeds to do whatever he pleases as he knows he is the hero's anti-thesis, making him integral to the comics. Even if he is caught he will be free again to cause chaos.

The easiest way to paint the Joker is to imagine a 6 year old child given unlimited access to explosives and no moral compass.
 

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Nice theory, but Occam's Razor boils it down so that the Joker kept lashing out at the Mob because they were constantly within reach. If the Joker had not been targeting innocent civilians, I'm certain Batman could have just kept hiding and let the Joker take care of the mob all by himself.
 

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lacktheknack said:
You're implying that he's supposed to be relateable. Joker's entire schtick is how much you don't relate with him.

Otherwise, it's an interesting theory, but he damages far too much to be "targeting" the mob. That's like blowing up a building with a hydrogen bomb.
Which is probably exactly how the Joker would go about destroying a building :p
 

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tzimize said:
lacktheknack said:
You're implying that he's supposed to be relateable. Joker's entire schtick is how much you don't relate with him.

Otherwise, it's an interesting theory, but he damages far too much to be "targeting" the mob. That's like blowing up a building with a hydrogen bomb.
Which is probably exactly how the Joker would go about destroying a building :p
Hence why I don't think he targets people.
 

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barbzilla said:
Not sure if it is cannon for the movie series, but the Joker has been stated to know he is in a comic book and thus can't die. He then proceeds to do whatever he pleases as he knows he is the hero's anti-thesis, making him integral to the comics. Even if he is caught he will be free again to cause chaos.

The easiest way to paint the Joker is to imagine a 6 year old child given unlimited access to explosives and no moral compass.
Darn you beat me to it.

The Joker is aware that he is not real.

Imagine how maddening that revelation would be?

I like to think his reaction is what a lot of folks would do if they found out they actually were created from dust by someone else for lulz.
 

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barbzilla said:
Not sure if it is cannon for the movie series, but the Joker has been stated to know he is in a comic book and thus can't die. He then proceeds to do whatever he pleases as he knows he is the hero's anti-thesis, making him integral to the comics. Even if he is caught he will be free again to cause chaos.

The easiest way to paint the Joker is to imagine a 6 year old child given unlimited access to explosives and no moral compass.
This, and the TDK scenes where he tells the different origin stories for himself are a tribute to "The Killing Joke" which suggests 1 origin story (the best one I've heard) but then plants the idea that the Joker remembers it differently every time and is most likely always lying about his origin. Or better put not "lying," but actually wrong every time.
 

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Joker just wanted to create chaos. He says to Dent that he tries to show schemers how pathetic they are. The mob is organised and plans like the police do so he tried to bring them both down. He's really intellegent when you think about it. He used the mobs greed against itself to bring it down while also using them to bring the police down.
 

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"Some men just want to watch the world burn". This is the only way I'll ever view The Joker. That and being one of the scariest motherfuckers in a comic book to movie adaptation that I've seen
 

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The Joker is scary for the same reason we find wild animals scary.
We can't read them, understand their motivation or reason with them.
Not knowing what's going on behind their feral eyes or how they will react to us, leaves us with a sense of unrest and fear.

Giving the Joker a relatable motivation or logic removes that from the character, and returns him to the Adam West's Batman one-dimentional goof