"Heavy Rain" and Free-Choice in Games

[Corven]

as pointed out by the OP its not entirely clear exactly how the game play will pan out. and your right if it is a point and click adventure it wont be seen this way, but believe me the second they add action elements and it begins to resemble fable the comparison will be made.

You see, I can understand you comparing Fable 2 and Heavy Rain's morality aspects together, or really any game with "morality choices".

But I don't understand how when they bring action it will be compared to Fable 2.

For one, we don't know much action except for moving around and stuff. Fable 2's combat is completely over the top, going crazy and effortlessly switching between combat styles.

I don't see how Heavy Rain's combat (if there is any) could ever be compared to Fable 2's combat.

Though, I'd like to bring up a part of the "choices" heavy rain can give you. Gotten from a magazine, not much spoilers since it's the first mission or whatever.

You enter the "oragami killer"'s house and are examining the people he's killed, some posed like Manequines. While you're in the house, the suspect comes in and you have a few choices.

Either hide and call the police,
Kill the man with a gun or,
Run away as fast as you can.

None of these choices are "wrong" per se, and like someone said earlier the character can die but you would still continue.

I don't see how this is similar to Fable 2 in any way.

there doesn't really look like a good or evil choice here its a what would you do in this situation kind of thing.

 

[black lincon]

as pointed out by the OP its not entirely clear exactly how the game play will pan out. and your right if it is a point and click adventure it wont be seen this way, but believe me the second they add action elements and it begins to resemble fable the comparison will be made.

You see, I can understand you comparing Fable 2 and Heavy Rain's morality aspects together, or really any game with "morality choices".

But I don't understand how when they bring action it will be compared to Fable 2.

For one, we don't know much action except for moving around and stuff. Fable 2's combat is completely over the top, going crazy and effortlessly switching between combat styles.

I don't see how Heavy Rain's combat (if there is any) could ever be compared to Fable 2's combat.

Though, I'd like to bring up a part of the "choices" heavy rain can give you. Gotten from a magazine, not much spoilers since it's the first mission or whatever.

You enter the "oragami killer"'s house and are examining the people he's killed, some posed like Manequines. While you're in the house, the suspect comes in and you have a few choices.

Either hide and call the police,
Kill the man with a gun or,
Run away as fast as you can.

None of these choices are "wrong" per se, and like someone said earlier the character can die but you would still continue.

I don't see how this is similar to Fable 2 in any way.

until you can show me screen shots of heavy rains game play I'm sticking to what I've already said about the combat aspect of it. however i disagree that those choices are "wrong" because if your using it in the what i think you are, the same can be said about fable, none of the choices are "wrong" because at the end of the day your going to win the game.

 

[black lincon]

as pointed out by the OP its not entirely clear exactly how the game play will pan out. and your right if it is a point and click adventure it wont be seen this way, but believe me the second they add action elements and it begins to resemble fable the comparison will be made.

No it won't.

There is absoltuely nothing that Heavy Rain has in common with Fable.
The fact that you're being serious here just paralyzes my brilliant mind.

fine let me rephrase that. if they add action elements it will get compared to fable. and like I just said above you cant prove it wont have action elements until you can show me screen shots.

 

[Man_In_Gauze]

It almost seems like Heavy Rain can deliver what games like Fable or Mass Effect claimed they could: allow player's choices to influence and change everything.

the reason they couldn't allow you to change ever aspect of the game is because doing that is very hard. I significantly doubt that this game will be seen as little more than an attempt to rip off fable 2.

Bolded text makes all the difference, gentlemen.

 

[Jumplion]

until you can show me screen shots of heavy rains game play I'm sticking to what I've already said about the combat aspect of it. however i disagree that those choices are "wrong" because if your using it in the what i think you are, the same can be said about fable, none of the choices are "wrong" because at the end of the day your going to win the game.

Wait, how can you stick to what you already have if, like you said, there isn't any real information on how the combat will play?

Until something resembling combat is show from Heavy Rain, you can't really make any assumptions about it now could you?

I never said those choices are wrong, I said they arn't exactly "wrong" per se, but they're more about what you would do in the situation. None of those choices are good or bad.

"the same can be said about fable, none of the choices are "wrong" because at the end of the day your going to win the game."

I'm calling bullshit on that, there is a very distinct difference between Good, Evil, and Neutral in Fable 2. Just look at the Fable 2 contest on the Escapist, and even the Fable 2 questions on your profile. You get a badge for whichever alignment you go towards and your name is randomly drawn on the alignment that has the least number of people in them.

I don't want to assume about Heavy Rain to much, but the morality aspect of the game is more "What would you do" instead of "Good, Evil, or Neutral" that so many games fail to cover up. Mind you, the same thing can happen in HEavy Rain which is why I don't want to assume, so I'll wait until more info is released for it.

 

[Jumplion]

fine let me rephrase that. if they add action elements it will get compared to fable. and like I just said above you cant prove it wont have action elements until you can show me screen shots.

Then you yourself can't assume that the action in Heavy Rain will be comparable to Fable 2 until there are screenshots of it. You're contradicting yourself here.

 

[black lincon]

until you can show me screen shots of heavy rains game play I'm sticking to what I've already said about the combat aspect of it. however i disagree that those choices are "wrong" because if your using it in the what i think you are, the same can be said about fable, none of the choices are "wrong" because at the end of the day your going to win the game.

Wait, how can you stick to what you already have if, like you said, there isn't any real information on how the combat will play?

Until something resembling combat is show from Heavy Rain, you can't really make any assumptions about it now could you?

I never said those choices are wrong, I said they arn't exactly "wrong" per se, but they're more about what you would do in the situation. None of those choices are good or bad.

"the same can be said about fable, none of the choices are "wrong" because at the end of the day your going to win the game."

I'm calling bullshit on that, there is a very distinct difference between Good, Evil, and Neutral in Fable 2. Just look at the Fable 2 contest on the Escapist, and even the Fable 2 questions on your profile. You get a badge for whichever alignment you go towards and your name is randomly drawn on the alignment that has the least number of people in them.

I don't want to assume about Heavy Rain to much, but the morality aspect of the game is more "What would you do" instead of "Good, Evil, or Neutral" that so many games fail to cover up. Mind you, the same thing can happen in HEavy Rain which is why I don't want to assume, so I'll wait until more info is released for it.

actually i can make assumptions(if I'm correct that's how they work). and fine your call of bulshit is true i guess i assumed you meant something else.

fine let me rephrase that. if they add action elements it will get compared to fable. and like I just said above you cant prove it wont have action elements until you can show me screen shots.

Reread my post.

I did same answer. the choice system that alters the way the game is played kind of ruins your argument though.

 

[Jumplion]

actually i can make assumptions(if I'm correct that's how they work).

But you can't assume that because you don't know if that's the way it will work. Plus, the gameplay video Ivoryagent provided for you is more than enough reason to think that the combat in the game is going to be nothing like Fable 2's.

Mind if I ask, I don't want to be rude, but where the hell are you getting your assumptions?

 

[black lincon]

actually i can make assumptions(if I'm correct that's how they work).

But you can't assume that because you don't know if that's the way it will work. Plus, the gameplay video Ivoryagent provided for you is more than enough reason to think that the combat in the game is going to be nothing like Fable 2's.

Mind if I ask, I don't want to be rude, but where the hell are you getting your assumptions?

in my defense i was informed of no such video. if you would give me the URL and it proves me to be a suborn jackass then ill gladly concede my opinion. however if you making this video up I am allowed to assume anything about any thing with as little info as i want.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

I look forward to it, and it seems to be a little more grounded in reality than Indigo Prophecy and it will probably be a lot better(and not introduce evil computers right at the end)

Also, the story will apparently continue even if all the main characters are killed, so there's endless possibility for endings

 

[black lincon]

actually i can make assumptions(if I'm correct that's how they work).

But you can't assume that because you don't know if that's the way it will work. Plus, the gameplay video Ivoryagent provided for you is more than enough reason to think that the combat in the game is going to be nothing like Fable 2's.

Mind if I ask, I don't want to be rude, but where the hell are you getting your assumptions?

in my defense i was informed of no such video. if you would give me the URL and it proves me to be a suborn jackass then ill gladly concede my opinion. however if you making this video up I am allowed to assume anything about any thing with as little info as i want.

I said to reread my post.

what did i just say that made you think i was in any way asking you for anything. if you have the URL of the video give it to me or just stop saying reread my post, its getting annoying.

 

[Jumplion]

what did i just say that made you think i was in any way asking you for anything. if you have the URL of the video give it to me or just stop saying reread my post, its getting annoying.

God damnit HERE!:

as pointed out by the OP its not entirely clear exactly how the game play will pan out. and your right if it is a point and click adventure it wont be seen this way, but believe me the second they add action elements and it begins to resemble fable the comparison will be made.

No it won't.

There is absoltuely nothing that Heavy Rain has in common with Fable.
The fact that you're being serious here just paralyzes my brilliant mind.

By the way, Gameplay [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ48UDozSDE].

 

[Jumplion]

God damnit HERE!

Why do the work for the idiots? Let him figure it out himself.

Well, SoReE. His ignorance was getting annoying, what do you want from me? I'm not as cold-hearted and full of stone like you oh mighty Ivoryagent.

 

[black lincon]

what did i just say that made you think i was in any way asking you for anything. if you have the URL of the video give it to me or just stop saying reread my post, its getting annoying.

The URL is in it.

I'll say it for the last time. Reread my post.

#1 the link wasn't there the last time i checked(admittedly i thought you were rambling so i stopped looking at your post)
#2 OK your right, happy. I didn't have the info you did so i made assumptions based on what i did have. although it doesn't look like a fable-esque game so your right, i really don't have any time be discussing this any way so that's the end of that.