Help Building Confidence for MOBA's
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When I have one of my rare moods to play LoL I only ever play ARAM. It doesn't matter much if you suck there. I don't ever play normal matches if I don't have a full group of friends with me because I will not associate myself with the gutter trash that infests LoL ranked almost exclusively. They are not worth my time or patience.
Just take a 10 minute break between matches if you get nervous. Give that anxiety some time to die off.
I agree that Awesomenauts is a lot more casual, even though the teams are even smaller and every game is ranked. It's probably one of my new favorites.
Just do the job your character is meant for and feel no guilt if people call you out. And never respond. They'll keep going, but it feels so much better after the game is over if all the raging they were doing feels like it accomplished them nothing. I had a Teemo call my Caitlyn and the Sona with me awful all game and would report us for being bad, and after we won, asked for rep. The other two teammates left early, so he got no rep from us, and I told him as much. Felt good.
I agree that Awesomenauts is a lot more casual, even though the teams are even smaller and every game is ranked. It's probably one of my new favorites.
Just do the job your character is meant for and feel no guilt if people call you out. And never respond. They'll keep going, but it feels so much better after the game is over if all the raging they were doing feels like it accomplished them nothing. I had a Teemo call my Caitlyn and the Sona with me awful all game and would report us for being bad, and after we won, asked for rep. The other two teammates left early, so he got no rep from us, and I told him as much. Felt good.
Ah, that explains it, thank you. I think I might actually stick with that mode for a while. Like BloatedGuppy said, it'll force me out of my comfort zone.Corven said:
You've got a point. If there's ever a time to dick around, it's when a game is in beta ;PThe Wykydtron said:
I was actually hoping you'd show up in this thread. I see you mention LoL and other competitive types of games quite often, and you know your stuff, as far as I can tell.
I love myself some DoTA, and to tell you the truth, the community is not as bad as some think. Also, a big reason why people get pissed usually in DoTA games is because thats 1 hour of un-fun if someone pretty much feeds. I just got out of a game that we lost, but because everyone actually fought hard and listened to each other, it was fun.
Also, the DoTA camera isnt that different.
Anyway, I tried LoL... I cant stand the look of it. Like seriously, the art style is just blah, so I will only play it if no one is playing DoTA.
Best thing to do in DoTA is ask for help if you dont know what to do, it will hamper ALOT of rage just to say "Im new/I never played this hero" etc.. They know they are helping someone learn instead of just a troll.
Also, to your question, you only got 3 heros to pick from because you picked "Single Draft". Single draft gives you 3 random heros to choose from.
All Pick- All heros
Single Draft - 3 random heros
Least Played - duh
Random Draft - A draft of heros is picked from random and each time picks from the pool.
All random - duh
Captains - Pros play this.
Also, the DoTA camera isnt that different.
Anyway, I tried LoL... I cant stand the look of it. Like seriously, the art style is just blah, so I will only play it if no one is playing DoTA.
Best thing to do in DoTA is ask for help if you dont know what to do, it will hamper ALOT of rage just to say "Im new/I never played this hero" etc.. They know they are helping someone learn instead of just a troll.
Also, to your question, you only got 3 heros to pick from because you picked "Single Draft". Single draft gives you 3 random heros to choose from.
All Pick- All heros
Single Draft - 3 random heros
Least Played - duh
Random Draft - A draft of heros is picked from random and each time picks from the pool.
All random - duh
Captains - Pros play this.
Playing DOTA 2 has been an interesting experience for me. I honestly found the most toxic experiences when I was first starting, and as the farther I went, the less I found truly unpleasant players. Generally the ones that are the worse when it comes to criticism and slagging their team-mates are pretty bad themselves.
I agree with the above comments on playing single draft. I recommend doing that, trying out new heroes, until you played about fifty or so heroes. Once then, then pick a few you like.
Don't worry about K/D/A, don't worry about feeding. You should worry about helping in a fight, pushing towers, and if support, helping the carries get away and warding the map.
I agree with the above comments on playing single draft. I recommend doing that, trying out new heroes, until you played about fifty or so heroes. Once then, then pick a few you like.
Don't worry about K/D/A, don't worry about feeding. You should worry about helping in a fight, pushing towers, and if support, helping the carries get away and warding the map.
Dota 2 player here, almost reaching 450 hours. When I first started I didn't really know what to do, I didn't even know there was an option to play with bots. I was lucky to get started at the same time as my friend, this helped a lot as we were both noobs to Dota 2 and MOBAs in general.
But the number one thing that helped me with Dota 2 was immediately searching up the dota 2 wiki and reading it. (I find myself doing this with a lot of games once I get them.)Reading up on all the heroes and abilities helped me immensely, but it can't prepare you as much as actually playing the game.I mean, reading on the wiki just led to me thinking that Meepo was going to be my best hero(anyone who knows dota can figure out how that went.)Although knowing the extent of your skills and your enemies' is a big part of the game.
Also try watching some pros play as it can help you learn the tips and tricks that might just give your team the edge over the other. I know Dotacinema top tens always inspire me to go and try the crazy stuff that those people can pull off.
I'm pretty sure there isn't visible ranking in Dota 2 for a reason. It's to encourage you to not be so stressed about each individual match and to just try what seems fun.
But the number one thing that helped me with Dota 2 was immediately searching up the dota 2 wiki and reading it. (I find myself doing this with a lot of games once I get them.)Reading up on all the heroes and abilities helped me immensely, but it can't prepare you as much as actually playing the game.I mean, reading on the wiki just led to me thinking that Meepo was going to be my best hero(anyone who knows dota can figure out how that went.)Although knowing the extent of your skills and your enemies' is a big part of the game.
Also try watching some pros play as it can help you learn the tips and tricks that might just give your team the edge over the other. I know Dotacinema top tens always inspire me to go and try the crazy stuff that those people can pull off.
I'm pretty sure there isn't visible ranking in Dota 2 for a reason. It's to encourage you to not be so stressed about each individual match and to just try what seems fun.
You know, i've been called many things in my time... "Knowing my stuff" is seldom one of them XDShax said:
I know NOTHING of DOTA builds because lol 3 wins in under 10 games. My last game was our Slark 1v5ing in their fountain no problem. He was 48/3... I was playing PA just literally pushing to win while he was standing behind all their barracks and towers in their spawn.
My League builds and knowledge are legit though. Probably :3
You're gonna want to stick with real people if you're looking to learn the game. Friends are ideal, if they're at your skill level. Bots are for getting familiar with the UI or if you want to experiment with a hero you've never played before. Try not to depend on them for learning how the game works... mechanically.
Bots are kinda restricted to a certain playstyle, and anyone who plays with them enough learns the best way to beat them is brute force via massive farm, which is a TERRIBLE way to play against actual people. Hence all the Mortreds and Ursas and Phantom lancers and Nightstalkers roaming about in lower pools, because supports and nukers lose out their effectiveness pretty fast there.
And don't be so nervous about how you play! Everyone sucks when they start out. And the learning curve for these kind of games is like, STEEP. It takes everyone a couple of months before they've got kind of a comfort zone in how and what they want to play. Until then, just realize you don't need to be the team's doormat, and chat ignore functions exist for a reason. The vocal side of the community can get pretty loud and obnoxious, but there's plenty of friendly people about as well who're just there to learn and have fun like you.
I've got a friend who kind of 'plays by himself' and 'tries not to get in anyone's way' and so far it's done nothing but worsen his self esteem. You don't improve too much unless you're willing to take risks, and it's only when you fail a bunch of times do you find that one glorious moment where you pull off something AWESOME and INCREDIBLE and it makes all of those past failures TOTALLY worth it.
This might sound like afterschool special territory, but it wouldn't hurt to try making friends with some of the people you play. I guarantee you Dota2 and LoL both become a billion times better when you've got someone to rely and depend on when the assholes come out to pasture. It opens up a bunch of options to you in terms of lane combo's and such as well, plus you can patch up holes in your team better without thinking 'oh hell, oh hell, they all just picked 4 melee carries'.
So yeah, best of luck with your future endeavors. You'll umm, need quite a bit patience too, so I hope you have that.
Edit: Just remembered something. I'm not sure how League works since I didn't really play it long enough, but DotA2 very frequently shakes things up with rebalancing of heroes, sometimes overhauling entire abilities or heroes in the process. I'd suggest you stay updated with the patches. Someone above suggested the Wiki, which is a good idea imo, since otherwise you'd never know for instance that Meepo has an innate 35% resistance to spells, as opposed to the normal 25% that every other hero has.
Umm, oh right, if you don't know already, every single hero in the game takes 25% reduced damage from spells. If they're of the magical variety. There's certain spells that are modified by armor as well (like Leshrac's Diabolic Edict), and others which ignore all kinds of resistance (like Tinker's Laser).
This might come in handy if you're relying on a hero's spell for the final kill, like with Sniper's assassinate, Lina's laguna blade, Lion's finger of death. It's handy to remember the 'actual HP lost' instead of looking at the raw damage, so you don't end up missing a kill. This comes with natural guesstimation later, but remembering Sniper's assassinate always kills at 266 hp or below (when it's at level 6) has been very, very useful in my early days.
Bots are kinda restricted to a certain playstyle, and anyone who plays with them enough learns the best way to beat them is brute force via massive farm, which is a TERRIBLE way to play against actual people. Hence all the Mortreds and Ursas and Phantom lancers and Nightstalkers roaming about in lower pools, because supports and nukers lose out their effectiveness pretty fast there.
And don't be so nervous about how you play! Everyone sucks when they start out. And the learning curve for these kind of games is like, STEEP. It takes everyone a couple of months before they've got kind of a comfort zone in how and what they want to play. Until then, just realize you don't need to be the team's doormat, and chat ignore functions exist for a reason. The vocal side of the community can get pretty loud and obnoxious, but there's plenty of friendly people about as well who're just there to learn and have fun like you.
I've got a friend who kind of 'plays by himself' and 'tries not to get in anyone's way' and so far it's done nothing but worsen his self esteem. You don't improve too much unless you're willing to take risks, and it's only when you fail a bunch of times do you find that one glorious moment where you pull off something AWESOME and INCREDIBLE and it makes all of those past failures TOTALLY worth it.
This might sound like afterschool special territory, but it wouldn't hurt to try making friends with some of the people you play. I guarantee you Dota2 and LoL both become a billion times better when you've got someone to rely and depend on when the assholes come out to pasture. It opens up a bunch of options to you in terms of lane combo's and such as well, plus you can patch up holes in your team better without thinking 'oh hell, oh hell, they all just picked 4 melee carries'.
So yeah, best of luck with your future endeavors. You'll umm, need quite a bit patience too, so I hope you have that.
Edit: Just remembered something. I'm not sure how League works since I didn't really play it long enough, but DotA2 very frequently shakes things up with rebalancing of heroes, sometimes overhauling entire abilities or heroes in the process. I'd suggest you stay updated with the patches. Someone above suggested the Wiki, which is a good idea imo, since otherwise you'd never know for instance that Meepo has an innate 35% resistance to spells, as opposed to the normal 25% that every other hero has.
Umm, oh right, if you don't know already, every single hero in the game takes 25% reduced damage from spells. If they're of the magical variety. There's certain spells that are modified by armor as well (like Leshrac's Diabolic Edict), and others which ignore all kinds of resistance (like Tinker's Laser).
This might come in handy if you're relying on a hero's spell for the final kill, like with Sniper's assassinate, Lina's laguna blade, Lion's finger of death. It's handy to remember the 'actual HP lost' instead of looking at the raw damage, so you don't end up missing a kill. This comes with natural guesstimation later, but remembering Sniper's assassinate always kills at 266 hp or below (when it's at level 6) has been very, very useful in my early days.
I got Awesomenauts from the humble bundle, I'm not a MOBA person, but I really like it! I see you're in the US, I'd like to learn to get better at the game, but I live in a way different time zone >_<thesilentman said:
Some heroes can have multiple playstyles. One such hero is Gyrocopter who can be played as a carry or as a support and can excel at both roles.
It is about item choices, a carry tends to go for things that will increase the damage they deal whilst the support will focus on keeping everyone else alive and keeping up map awareness with wards.
Since you play with bots (as I do most of the time) its a good time to play around with the heroes and see what they can do, then when you go into pubs you know a rough style of play.
And like others have said if people complain ignore them. If they advise however listen and try it out, it may help you become better at the hero.
There have been games ive had where everyone is happy even the losers because it was a game well played and we all leave in a good mood. And then theres rage quitters "oh no i died once, i'd better quit this match and find another one", if you die just realise why and try to avoid it again, you wont learn how to not die if you keep quitting.
That would be the gametype "Single Draft" where you get 3 random heroes to choose from. If you want to pick your hero change the options to only be "All Pick" and youll get to choose from the full list.
here's my step-by-step plan for anyone who's interested in DOTA 2:
step one, join a pub game
step two, pick Omniknight
step three, save lifes.
everyone will love you.
step one, join a pub game
step two, pick Omniknight
step three, save lifes.
everyone will love you.
I learned DotA2 by playing with friends, who were all leagues ahead of me (pun not intended). I'd usually stick with support, not liking the responsibility of carrying the team, so I'd never score high. It always felt as though I had contributed to the victory, which to me is important. After that I did play some matches with pubs where I did better than some, but not as good as others. It really comes down to who you're matched with.
I've also recently started playing LoL. There I'm still playing against the intermediate bots, trying to learn different characters before buying one (seriously, earning that IP takes ages).
About those 3 characters you could pick in DotA2: that's a Draft. You can choose what game-type, region, etc. on the menu, before you search for a party. You'll want "All-pick" (or whatever) to start with.
I've also recently started playing LoL. There I'm still playing against the intermediate bots, trying to learn different characters before buying one (seriously, earning that IP takes ages).
About those 3 characters you could pick in DotA2: that's a Draft. You can choose what game-type, region, etc. on the menu, before you search for a party. You'll want "All-pick" (or whatever) to start with.
Single draft. Yes, in this mode, you are given a random three heroes to choose from: one from STR, one from AGI, and one from INT.Shax said:
As for tips:
I hadn't played that long myself, but I've learned something. First of all, never try to play more then one match per day. You'll just get tired quickly.
Second, watch some guides to characters. DOTA Cinema has a pretty informative collection, although not for all heroes.
Third, listen to advices given by other players. Sometimes it may help. But also try to NOT care about swearings and foul language from others.
Lastly, fourth. When I started playing, I've read forums and people were suggesting to play only one char. Do not do it. Play as many different heroes/champions as you like, as long as you like them.
I'm not sure if it's the same in DoTA but in LoL, if you go into "draft" pick then you also can't pick a champion if it has already been picked by the enemy team. In "Blind" pick however you only have to worry about your own team.
In terms of how to get over the fear... I'd think of it as Youtube. You know, youtube's comments section? Yeah that's the moba community. Who gives a shit what they say?
Just buy a ward and don't feed. The rest will come.
In terms of how to get over the fear... I'd think of it as Youtube. You know, youtube's comments section? Yeah that's the moba community. Who gives a shit what they say?
Just buy a ward and don't feed. The rest will come.
Try and play with friends- I tried to get into LoL without any, and it wasn't much fun, until I grasped some basic rules- now it's bearable. I play mostly for fun- I don't give a shit about kill stealing, if someone wants to have ALL the kills let him have it. I say my skills are average too- so at least I'm not the worst usually.Shax said:
As for Awesomenauts, that game is so cool I was laughing at my own fails so hard that I don't think I will be able to rage at that game. It surprisingly easy to get into. And most people play it for "the lulz" , so the community is good there.
I play only the old DOTA though, so I don't know anything about the new one- but watch some guides and you should be good to go.
I think I have a similar problem. I recently started playing LoL and I'm finding it hard to play Classic mode with friends. Like I've been playing for a few weeks so i know the basics AP AD, Top Mid Bot, Melee Ranged Mage Tank Assassin Carry Jungler. But there's some stuff you just... I dunno where to find it.
Like the other day I was mid, and the other teams jungler kept ambushing me... I just don't have any clue how I'm meant to counter that. Then there's when people want you to jungle or carry and you dunno what they mean or want. Then when people blame you for losing the match... It's just not very nice, and there are a lot of people who rage without giving any advice on what to do next time.
As for the recommendation to get good with a few champs, that's ok advice but first I'd recommend playing random heroes. It'll help you out better in the long run as you get a working knowledge of what they do and how to counter them.
Like the other day I was mid, and the other teams jungler kept ambushing me... I just don't have any clue how I'm meant to counter that. Then there's when people want you to jungle or carry and you dunno what they mean or want. Then when people blame you for losing the match... It's just not very nice, and there are a lot of people who rage without giving any advice on what to do next time.
As for the recommendation to get good with a few champs, that's ok advice but first I'd recommend playing random heroes. It'll help you out better in the long run as you get a working knowledge of what they do and how to counter them.