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Kung Fu fighting Panda monks in a completely identical environment to the animated movie? Yeah, it's pretty clear who is copying from whom here.chstens said:
Oh, and I honestly don't care.
I have to say I was a little underwhelmed by how they differ from the (original) concept art.
The original artwork portrayed them as a bit thinner, rougher, the new pandaren models look really jovial and such.
But then again, it's a fair point that WoW has a lot of diversity so it's not like pandas are a big step.
Perhaps a lot of people are referring more to the whole Chinese theme for an entire expansion. I'd probably have to agree with that, it looks like they're laying it on pretty thick and I don't find it to be all that exciting.
Then again I quit before cataclysm so...
The original artwork portrayed them as a bit thinner, rougher, the new pandaren models look really jovial and such.
But then again, it's a fair point that WoW has a lot of diversity so it's not like pandas are a big step.
Perhaps a lot of people are referring more to the whole Chinese theme for an entire expansion. I'd probably have to agree with that, it looks like they're laying it on pretty thick and I don't find it to be all that exciting.
Then again I quit before cataclysm so...
That's the gaming community.
The slightest alteration to their dear formula, and there are shouts of "Ruined FOREVER!" in abundance. Still, just about all of the people complaining will continue paying for it.
The slightest alteration to their dear formula, and there are shouts of "Ruined FOREVER!" in abundance. Still, just about all of the people complaining will continue paying for it.
People ***** and whine every time Blizz adds or changes something to WoW, yet they come back and play it anyway. If people don't like it so much, just stop playing, less bitching we need to hear.
So to sum it up:
People are freaked out by change.
People are idiots.
People are whiners.
So to sum it up:
People are freaked out by change.
People are idiots.
People are whiners.
regardless of what they do, it won't be enough to reduce the number of users who are gradually leaving. and that is to be expected. the game is just plain old at this point. it had an amazing run, but it has to end some time.
edit (added): the expansion might slow the number leaving a bit and even cause the numbers to go back up for the short term, but in the long run i feel this won't do much to stop the tide.
edit (added): the expansion might slow the number leaving a bit and even cause the numbers to go back up for the short term, but in the long run i feel this won't do much to stop the tide.
wow is making it so easy to leave and never come back, lets put it that way.
i mean, pokemon? comeon.
also, there is no real reason for this conflict. All of the other expansions had some great evil to vanquish. Illidan and his newly stolen demon army, with special guest appearances by the real Burning legion. Arthas and an entire army of undead wishing to "nom-nom-nom" the world. Finally deathwing who apparently just wants to find a nice spike to impale himself on while he destroys the world (what, are you too good for blade edge mountains like the rest of the black dragons impaled? elitist!)
And now what do we have here? uh.....we are invading this continent solely for its resources.
what? are all of the bad guys dead and now the Horde and Alliance has to step up to the bat? Alliance are going to become the Germans in WWII and the Horde Russia from the cold war?
how the heck does a medieval society run out of resources, they only need 5! water, wood, food, metal (not even rare metals), and stone. Azeroth has maybe 1 million denizens (probably less with all of the wars) if you judge by the size of the towns/cities (and expand it a little for imagination sake). we have 8 billion people and for the most part we are good on all 5 of those resources.
seriously, replant the freakin trees you chopped. problem solved.
EDIT: also, they ripped the beating heart out of my favorite spec, feral. Completely and utterly destroyed everything i loved about it, so i will never forgive them for that. As bad as feral was in burning crusade and wotlk, those two are a shining beacon of a golden age compared to what they did to feral in catacylsm. and the worst part is that the changes they made for the most part will be permanent, they would rather change them in an even more foolish fashion than to undo their errors (like even more pvp damage.....)
i mean, pokemon? comeon.
also, there is no real reason for this conflict. All of the other expansions had some great evil to vanquish. Illidan and his newly stolen demon army, with special guest appearances by the real Burning legion. Arthas and an entire army of undead wishing to "nom-nom-nom" the world. Finally deathwing who apparently just wants to find a nice spike to impale himself on while he destroys the world (what, are you too good for blade edge mountains like the rest of the black dragons impaled? elitist!)
And now what do we have here? uh.....we are invading this continent solely for its resources.
what? are all of the bad guys dead and now the Horde and Alliance has to step up to the bat? Alliance are going to become the Germans in WWII and the Horde Russia from the cold war?
how the heck does a medieval society run out of resources, they only need 5! water, wood, food, metal (not even rare metals), and stone. Azeroth has maybe 1 million denizens (probably less with all of the wars) if you judge by the size of the towns/cities (and expand it a little for imagination sake). we have 8 billion people and for the most part we are good on all 5 of those resources.
seriously, replant the freakin trees you chopped. problem solved.
EDIT: also, they ripped the beating heart out of my favorite spec, feral. Completely and utterly destroyed everything i loved about it, so i will never forgive them for that. As bad as feral was in burning crusade and wotlk, those two are a shining beacon of a golden age compared to what they did to feral in catacylsm. and the worst part is that the changes they made for the most part will be permanent, they would rather change them in an even more foolish fashion than to undo their errors (like even more pvp damage.....)
if i remember correctly, turkeys are somewhat intelligent. They have excellent eyesight and it is pretty common for them to hang out with deer who have excellent hearing and smell.DracusHawktalon said:
Franklin suggested the turkey for our national bird, if i remember my history correctly (it has been over a decade).
Mmm. I just bring up tauren, gnolls, murlocs, worgen etc when people whine about the Pandaren being a joke and a step too far. Then there are people that say MoP is only coming out to appeal to the chinese. They're probably the biggest idiots. But what pisses me off the most is that the game isn't even out of the alpha stage. It's literally just been announced, we know next to nothing about it and people are already deciding its shit. There was a guy at the Lore Q&A panel that asked something along the lines of: "Pandas? Seriously? We just goung to get 18 months of kung fu panda?"
One of the other developers answered the question but if you watched Chris Metzen, you'd see the look of borderline psychotic rage on his face. He looked like he was about to jump off the stage and punch the guy in the face. He added in eventually "we're not gonna centre an expansion around a joke."
I can understand his anger. He's just come up with a great new idea for a game he's put a hell of a lot of effort into and people are shitting on it before even playing it. I'd be pissed off too.
One of the other developers answered the question but if you watched Chris Metzen, you'd see the look of borderline psychotic rage on his face. He looked like he was about to jump off the stage and punch the guy in the face. He added in eventually "we're not gonna centre an expansion around a joke."
I can understand his anger. He's just come up with a great new idea for a game he's put a hell of a lot of effort into and people are shitting on it before even playing it. I'd be pissed off too.
Hi. I've been playing WoW on and off since it launched, and I've followed the online community (the forums) pretty closely for all of it, even when I haven't played. WoW is a gaming and cultural phenomenon; as someone interested in both, I'd be a fool not to.
MoP looks just like the past expansions: stylistically unique, lore-driven, increasingly streamlining game play and mechanics (this is NOT INHERENTLY a bad thing), graphically updated, and adding more for just about everyone to do (there is a noteworthy shortage of PvP information, but there's still at least a year in this expansion's development, so I'm willing to be patient - plus, since TBC, there has been an increasing tendency for the game to focus on story only growing each expansion, and PvP doesn't complement story as well as PvE does).
And, because of this, the community will INEVITABLY be in a massive tizzy up until release, when it will sell like hotcakes, and we all remember that it's Blizzard and they're peddling nerd crack so we have nothing to fear, it will be good.
A brief trip down memory lane of expansion complaints:
The Burning Crusade: OMFG Pretty blood elves in the hardcore Horde and space goats with no/horribly retconned lore for Alliance? Space aesthetics? OMFG Shamans to Alliance, Paladins to Horde? THIS IS THE END OF WOW, BLIZZ U KILLED WOW
Wrath of the Lich King: OMFG flying mounts? OMFG death knights start at level 55? SO IMBA! THIS IS THE END OF WOW, BLIZZ U KILLED WOW
Cataclysm: ...actually, I think that most people were alright with this one, come to think of it. There was a little complaining about how there were only 5 new levels and that the new races were "werewolves" (lol twilight) and the neutral goblins (although lore explained that one), and that the draenei got no new classes and that the Horde had one more race/class combo, but these were gripes, not doomsday scenarios. I think more people were excited about the old world cleanup, the new classes, and the dynamic story line visible through a changing world. Most of the end-of-world complaining came AFTER the expansion dropped, and THAT was definitely more than I'd seen before. Then again, Cata was considerably different from previous expansions - there was, for instance, no new continent - so the reaction was understandably different.
Now, with all that, does it surprise *anyone* that people are complaining about MoP? A race that can go to either faction, a new class, a new continent, a definite aesthetic, new casual game play options - this is much more in line with TBC and WotLK, and so it's not much surprise that everyone's calling doom and gloom.
The game will be fine. Insecure people afraid of playing a game with a less serious aesthetic than Cata, which had a theme of, oh, THE WORLD IS ENDING, will leave, and the game will be better for it.
MoP looks just like the past expansions: stylistically unique, lore-driven, increasingly streamlining game play and mechanics (this is NOT INHERENTLY a bad thing), graphically updated, and adding more for just about everyone to do (there is a noteworthy shortage of PvP information, but there's still at least a year in this expansion's development, so I'm willing to be patient - plus, since TBC, there has been an increasing tendency for the game to focus on story only growing each expansion, and PvP doesn't complement story as well as PvE does).
And, because of this, the community will INEVITABLY be in a massive tizzy up until release, when it will sell like hotcakes, and we all remember that it's Blizzard and they're peddling nerd crack so we have nothing to fear, it will be good.
A brief trip down memory lane of expansion complaints:
The Burning Crusade: OMFG Pretty blood elves in the hardcore Horde and space goats with no/horribly retconned lore for Alliance? Space aesthetics? OMFG Shamans to Alliance, Paladins to Horde? THIS IS THE END OF WOW, BLIZZ U KILLED WOW
Wrath of the Lich King: OMFG flying mounts? OMFG death knights start at level 55? SO IMBA! THIS IS THE END OF WOW, BLIZZ U KILLED WOW
Cataclysm: ...actually, I think that most people were alright with this one, come to think of it. There was a little complaining about how there were only 5 new levels and that the new races were "werewolves" (lol twilight) and the neutral goblins (although lore explained that one), and that the draenei got no new classes and that the Horde had one more race/class combo, but these were gripes, not doomsday scenarios. I think more people were excited about the old world cleanup, the new classes, and the dynamic story line visible through a changing world. Most of the end-of-world complaining came AFTER the expansion dropped, and THAT was definitely more than I'd seen before. Then again, Cata was considerably different from previous expansions - there was, for instance, no new continent - so the reaction was understandably different.
Now, with all that, does it surprise *anyone* that people are complaining about MoP? A race that can go to either faction, a new class, a new continent, a definite aesthetic, new casual game play options - this is much more in line with TBC and WotLK, and so it's not much surprise that everyone's calling doom and gloom.
The game will be fine. Insecure people afraid of playing a game with a less serious aesthetic than Cata, which had a theme of, oh, THE WORLD IS ENDING, will leave, and the game will be better for it.
actually for BC it was:
Alliance: aww what? we get shamans? what kind of raw deal is this?
Horde: paladins for the horde? choo-choo all aboard the easy mode train! awwwwww yeeeaaaaa.
ah, the day when horde got to show the alliance just what they had to go through in pve/pvp when only the alliance had paladins.
also, nobody complained about flying mounts or dk starting at 55. people WERE complaining about how horribly broken they were in beta however (and ret paladins) which was true.
That said, wow wont die. granted it has been losing players at a constant rate ( i dont know anyone who plays it anymore. the 15+ people i knew who played it all left within the first 6 months of cata and for good reason), but it will keep 5-8 million people or so.
Wow has done much to progress MMOs as we know it. Future MMOs would take heed to copy the best features of wow. the LFG function when it was first released was amazing. Questing gets better and better with each expansion. Uldum was one giant indiana jones reference and was amazing.
that said, for every leap forward they make a ton of leaps backwards, mostly in terms of class/spec design and a few metagame setbacks. Which would not be so bad if blizzard would ever admit to being wrong about anything ever.
Alliance: aww what? we get shamans? what kind of raw deal is this?
Horde: paladins for the horde? choo-choo all aboard the easy mode train! awwwwww yeeeaaaaa.
ah, the day when horde got to show the alliance just what they had to go through in pve/pvp when only the alliance had paladins.
also, nobody complained about flying mounts or dk starting at 55. people WERE complaining about how horribly broken they were in beta however (and ret paladins) which was true.
That said, wow wont die. granted it has been losing players at a constant rate ( i dont know anyone who plays it anymore. the 15+ people i knew who played it all left within the first 6 months of cata and for good reason), but it will keep 5-8 million people or so.
Wow has done much to progress MMOs as we know it. Future MMOs would take heed to copy the best features of wow. the LFG function when it was first released was amazing. Questing gets better and better with each expansion. Uldum was one giant indiana jones reference and was amazing.
that said, for every leap forward they make a ton of leaps backwards, mostly in terms of class/spec design and a few metagame setbacks. Which would not be so bad if blizzard would ever admit to being wrong about anything ever.
From what I understand, the Pandaren have never been included in a Warcraft game, only brief mentions and what was apparently an April fool's joke.chstens said:
The only thing we've known about them is that they are Panda like things. There hasn't even been an official drawing based off of what they supposedly look like since this trailer.
Kung fu Panda has been around since 2008. Go watch the movie trailer. The landscapes are completely identical, minus the movie trailer having a bit more fog. So, like I said, it's clear who got inspiration from whom.
Here's a suggestion; Maybe you should actually have a good idea of what you are talking about besides the Original Post being your entire source of knowledge? You don't look smart. You just look like an idiot who randomly insulted religion out of the blue trying to make a point he never had.
I didn't insult religion, I insulted creationism. And since you're obviously too stubborn to look at what I wrote in the original post, here's the short version. Pandaren were originally just an Aprils Fools joke for Warcraft 3, the fan reaction was surprisingly positive, so Blizzard gave them a cameo in the game. And in the expansion pack they introduced the character Chen Stormstout, a Pandaren brewmaster from the land of Pandaria. And for official artwork, here http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050415012306/wowwiki/images/thumb/3/32/Pandaren.jpg/442px-Pandaren.jpg http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071001002342/wowwiki/images/thumb/2/22/Balance.jpg/430px-Balance.jpg http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070421162427/wowwiki/images/e/e2/Heroraces.jpg . As you can see, all of these predates Kung-Fu Panda. And for the Chinese locale, perhaps Disney should sue Dreamworks because they made a movie set in China before they did?JoesshittyOs said:
No, sir. It is YOU who should get your facts straight, and read the original post, which I refer to because I wrote it. And no, the creatonism comment wasn't out of the blue, because you, just like creationsists, completely ignores facts when it's shoved up their arse.
This is the first time you actually gave me a fact other than just saying something. The only thing you've actually disproved me of was that there were drawings of the Pandaren before the movie. (which, yet again, was not the point)chstens said:
You have yet to disprove how my opinion of how this looks exactly like Kung Fu Panda.
(Pro-tip: You won't be able to do this)
So to reiterate, It's clear who got their inspiration from whom. Disney actually probably could sue on the identical landscape things, but I doubt they will. If I ever said this was a negative thing, I apologize. Though I didn't. Kung fu Panda was a beautiful movie, you should be proud.
Funny how defensive people get about their MMO's
Looking at the trailer for Kung Fu Panda, the only similarities I can see is a Panda and a hill with a Taoist temple. Other than that, I don't really see it(based entirely on the trailer) And I am not trying to disprove your opinion that it looks like Kung Fu Panda, it DOES look like Kung Fu Panda, because they're antropomorphic pandas in a Chinese landscape, doing martial arts. What I am trying to convey is that they didn't "rip off" dreamworks, because they had the idea back in 1999. Also, I made this thread so I could hear peoples opinion on it, in detail, which your post really isn't.JoesshittyOs said: