HELP! Someone explain how gay relationships in ME3 will work

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As someone who is bisexual, I find it kind of funny that SO many characters in Bioware games are bisexual. Pretty much all of them. That isn't very common in real life, so I can see how the OP would wonder why the creators made that choice.

Also, I'm going to argue on the side of pro-sexuality-is-a-character-trait. Hell, my sexuality plays a huge part in who I am (bisexual, and just plain sexual). I don't think that there is anything wrong with that.
 

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manythings said:
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Poop di Loop said:
Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.
In DA 2, you could accidentally walk yourself into a conversation with Anders that gave you nothing but hearts and broken hearts, which is something that most people would like to avoid since it is blegh drama. Also, showing interest and talking to the girls in ME inevitably lead to the whole, do you love me or not crap.

So yea, you can walk into it just by wanting to talk to the characters more.

That all said, I didn't really have a problem with Anders but I can see where the OP is coming from. It was uncomfortable and broke flow of being a nifty badass warrior to have to shoot down Anders cornering me into a hot or not convo...
Anders is kind of schizophrenic and unstable so it's not exactly a personality you can apply normal rules to.
It is a Bioware romance in a Bioware game, fullstop. Hence the OP's confusion.

And before we get into it, yes, I get Anders, I just wish the developers had actually made a choice and stuck with it. I get that he is crazy but it seemed flawed in execution.
I really don't get why I have to say this to people but crazies don't fit with normal preconceptions so don't think it's surprising when they act like crazies
Ashley got the vibe that you were interested by you being polite and then forced you into a confrontation if you were also being nice to Liara.

So yea, I can see that confusing people. When will YOU learn that we are talking about a game developer not schizo characters? Anders isn't real, he is a creation of the developers. Also, you could find yourself getting into shit with other characters in ME.

Are you going to use the crazy excuse for all of them?
 

Zhukov

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Straight answer: Nobody knows yet. Nobody outside of Bioware, anyway.

There have been vague suggestions that previously established characters will get a bit bi-curious. A lot of people freaked out at this prospect. There have also been statements that there will be new characters that can become love interests.

So yeah. It's all a mystery.

Of course, you so much as mention sex and homosexuality, even in the context of a sci-fi video game, and people start getting weird about it in a whole range of different ways. As you can see in this very thread.
 

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I'm gonna try to go through this point by point.
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Cuz I'm completely fucking lost. I created an account on here JUST to get answers.

I try googling, but almost all I get is scary fan fictions/pictures.

Does this change previous/established characters' sexuality? Because Garrus, Thane, Grunt, and Joker all struck me as undeniably straight.(Jacob was the only one who seemed unsure about himself.) I just find it fucking weird that they suddenly change teams, third game in. Or are they just adding in new love interests?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't actually said which "Team" any of those characters play for so such a move would NOT actually change them. This also might just be me, but I think it would be cool if they had a character like Garrus, who's about as 'straight' as they come, have homosexual feelings for male!shep. But really it'd just be nice to have ONE bi/homosexual character who didn't fall into some kind of stereotype, if they did that to Garrus, I'd gladly help burn Bioware's headquarters to the ground.

I also have a really (reallly) bad habit of accidentally romancing people I really don't want to. (i.e. Jack, Miranda in ME2). And stuff got awkward after I cut it off. I really just want to stay best buds with Thane, Garrus, and the rest of my male crew. Shit would get bizarre if I (and them) started getting boners around each other.
You realize that these men are trained soldiers right? Do you really think that if they allowed you into a man-man relationship with Thane that they'd have him sprouting hard ons while he's in a firefight? That is not sarcasm by the way, I expect an answer.

With the exception of Mass Effect, I've never really played that many WRPGs, so I have NO idea how gay relationships work in a game. Do people throw themselves at you, thus having you have to shoot them down, or do you have to initiate the relationship?
Not that I know of, although in Dragon Age Origins if you say the wrong thing and attract a character you didn't want to you can shoot them down then.

Honestly I think they should just have you say in the beginning of the game whether you want strictly hetero, gay, or bi romance options in the game and then just go off there. It would take a huge load off my back to know I can be friends with a guy without accidentally going into Brokeback Mountain territory.
You really HAVEN'T played many Bioware games have you? Cause pretty much their whole mission statement is to AVOID doing that sort of thing as much as possible. if you don't want a relationship with a certain character, you actually have to put in EFFORT, and tell them that. It'll probably piss one or two characters off (Being lead on tends to do that to people) but they want you to feel like your words and actions have some semblance of consequences.

DISCLAIMER: Let me just say first off that I don't hate homosexuals or have anything against them, period (one of my good friends is gay). I've noticed that saying anything short of "BEING GAY IS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING IN THE WORLD YAY HOMOSEXUALITY" immediately gets you labeled as a homophobe.

edit: Why is captcha on this site so annoying, wat.
I really don't have anything to say to that so I'll just end by saying, your turn.
 

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kickyourass said:
You realize that these men are trained soldiers right? Do you really think that if they allowed you into a man-man relationship with Thane that they'd have him sprouting hard ons while he's in a firefight? That is not sarcasm by the way, I expect an answer.
What? I'm assuming that by "they" you mean Bioware?

No of course I don't expect him to have the hots for you in a firefight. That wasn't what I meant. None of the female characters ever mention any romantic sentiments when you're fighting alongside them. I meant that when I'm on board the Normandy, will I have a hard time having a conversation with them without one of them mentioning getting in a relationship and/or that I shot them down previously. Cuz this happened with all the females in ME2, and it was fucking frustrating. I ended up avoiding Jack like the plague because she got all pissy if you shoot her down. It's irritating enough with chicks. Some choices turn out you're not being nice, you're flirting. Didn't have to worry about that when I talked to any of the male NPCs. Will I have to pay extra close attention to what I say to all the characters I interact with? I just want to stay friends without all this intimacy crap being shoved down my throat.
 

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Poop di Loop said:
kickyourass said:
You realize that these men are trained soldiers right? Do you really think that if they allowed you into a man-man relationship with Thane that they'd have him sprouting hard ons while he's in a firefight? That is not sarcasm by the way, I expect an answer.
What? I'm assuming that by "they" you mean Bioware?

No of course I don't expect him to have the hots for you in a firefight. That wasn't what I meant. None of the female characters ever mention any romantic sentiments when you're fighting alongside them. I meant that when I'm on board the Normandy, will I have a hard time having a conversation with them without one of them mentioning getting in a relationship and/or that I shot them down previously. Cuz this happened with all the females in ME2, and it was fucking frustrating. I ended up avoiding Jack like the plague because she got all pissy if you shoot her down. It's irritating enough with chicks. Some choices turn out you're not being nice, you're flirting. Didn't have to worry about that when I talked to any of the male NPCs. Will I have to pay extra close attention to what I say to all the characters I interact with? I just want to stay friends without all this intimacy crap being shoved down my throat.
Well the way you worded it certainly made it look like you thought they'd it up out in the field. Thank you for the clarification.
In short, I don't know, but I'm guessing that if you intend to stay in a relationship with a certain character then yes, you will probably have to hear about the fact that you are in a realtionship with them if you talk to them. That's sorta how these things work in real life, and Bioware is all about making their characters act like real people so yeah, there you go.

Another thing I always thought that one of 'points' to bioware's games was that you WERE careful with what you said. If they make it so that you have to be more careful with what you say so that you don't attract/piss off characters you don't want to attract/piss off, well I don't know about you, but that seems like a plus to me. Though some kind of symbol on the conversation wheel to indicate when you're going to flirt with someone would be kinda nice.
 

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It'll act just like every other relationship acts.

Talk to the guy/girl a couple of times and they'll want to have hot, sweaty sex with you because you're their "true love".

God damn I hate how relationships work in current Bioware games...
It's still better than Fable.

Anything short of violently attacking people to get their attention is better than Fable...
 
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I cannot help but be reminded of the Dragon Age: Origins line Is there something in your tent that needs ... assassinating? It indicated fairly effectively that if you proceeded much further you were going to be snogging / shagging the randy elf in question (and he would soon indicate he didn't do relationships).

I've not had the Bioware experience, but I suspect strongly that it's not as bad as the Wing Commander III experience when it comes to romance. Some thoughts come to mind:

~ The ME series takes place in everyone has sex all the time [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFuture][/I]. I'd wonder if Bioware has included any pretense or justification for how relationships work in the Mass Effect diegesis. (e.g. a severe labor shortage would drive people to hook up young and celebrate every child).

~ To note other examples of people from the future, Captains James T. Kirk and Jack Harkness both are open to (and in fact would proposition) anything that moves regardless of species.[footnote]In the case of Kirk, this is according to Gene Roddenberry, and was exemplary of Federation human society. The writers of Star Trek were less comfortable with this, and tacked on the '60s and '90s morality into their writing (note the entire absence of open gay relationships), but Kirk's kissing of the girl-of-the-week in The Original Series was accepted shorthand for no-holds-barred sex.[/footnote] Harkness is expressly open to relations with other men, yet cleanly flies under the gaydar.

~ Regarding Liara, while she seems reserved Zhaan [http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Liara_T%27Soni] qualifies, any alternative to hair). Still, SNIPERFOX ft. Harry P.Ness may have it down that anyone (including the Reaper spy[footnote]When the moment is right, Shepard, I shall take your life for Reaper glory... But... you left me cake in the mess...and now, now I'm afraid I love you. Aghast! I am torn between duty and desire![/footnote]) will fall in love with Shepard over an extra slice of cake in the mess. But who, I ask, doesn't love cake?

~In the real world, I think it is a good thing that guys get propositioned and learn how to politely reject. Indeed, the other half of the populace is quite familiar with the necessity of rejecting unwanted advances; knowing both sides makes one a better negotiator. And the fact that we have grown men freaking out like tittering tweens being asked to dance for the first time (sometimes to the point of violence) is embarrassing to our species and our society. That said, sometimes the one rejected can't help but feel hurt. This is called (in psychological parlance) a narcissistic injury, and is a healthy thing, helping one's internal expectations better match reality.

~In defense of Bioware, simulating human relationships, what are possibly the most complex social models seen in the animal kingdom, is a very difficult thing, and the folks of Bioware should get credit just for trying, let alone allowing you to choose partners, even choices not entirely accepted by the mainstream. Eventually, we'll be able to effectively model how relationships do work (or how we want them to work). But for now, even trying and working them into commercial games is a step forward.

238U.[footnote]In the event that Escapist requires me to view a commercial before getting a code, I will simply not post. Depending on the frequency, this may temper or cease my future participation in the Escapist community. Apologies in advance, if this policy prevents me from replying to you when it is proper to do so.[/footnote]
 

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I think it will be handled just like the Tali romance - shes didn't express any sexual interest in shep in Me1 but did so in ME2.

Same with Kaidan (or whoever will be a recurring character with a gay interest in Shep).. it will just be " i watched you a long time but didn't have the nerve to say anything..now let's have sex".

New characters are self explanatory.
 

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If Dragon Age 2 is any indication, every single same sex companion will flirt with you constantly.
 

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DeathWyrmNexus said:
Or he just wants to avoid intimacy curve balls. Which is what he said. Multiple times. Also, he stated that he wants to know how it will work because he wants to control how he engages with his crew.

You seem determined to label him a homophobe because he doesn't want to grind hips with dudes or be in the situation where they are hitting him up for grindage.
And yet for someone who keeps insisting he's "Totally not homophobic or anything" he sure is going about this with the mentality of a 14 year old boy.

"OH GOD THEY'RE PUTTING GAY PEOPLE IN MASS EFFECT EWW EWW EWW NOW A GAY CHARACTER MIGHT TALK TO ME HELP ME FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COMPLETELY AVOID THIS OMG I WANT MY GAME TO BE COMPLETELY HETEROSEXUAL WHY DO YOU HATE ME BIOWARE?"

I mean, seriously? You want an option at the beginning of the game to turn off all the gay content? Are you fucking kidding me? Grow the fuck up. You don't see me making a pointless thread complaining every time a big slutty bimbo makes moves on me in other games. Maybe I should start.
 

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My guess is it'll be similar to what they did in Dragon Age II where romance options are outlined specifically.
 

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Hahaha, man I totally get the whole annoyance with someone complaining about NPs talking and being attracted to the playable character who is, of course, the most amazing person in that universe so who wouldn't be attracted to them, but pick your battles... what if poop di loop really is a 14 year old?

Now if you want some serious discussion on the pervasive idiocy of persons who aren't homophobic (seriously, they have gay friends) and the most effective way to address this type of homophobia (seriously, it is homophobic) come talk to me. (seriously).
 

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Poop di Loop said:
Does this change previous/established characters' sexuality? Because Garrus, Thane, Grunt, and Joker all struck me as undeniably straight.(Jacob was the only one who seemed unsure about himself.) I just find it fucking weird that they suddenly change teams, third game in. Or are they just adding in new love interests?
No, from what I've heard the older characters are open for gay relationships.

Then again, it was always SHEP who refused them.

Tali hits on FemShep and MaleShep the same - only MaleShep responds.
Garrus hits on FemShep and MaleShep the same - only FemShep responds.

So the only change is Shep goes bi. Or not, if you don't want Shep to go bi.

Actually, Shep was always supposed to be bi, but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep didn't want to be associated with a gay character.

Edit: Oh, and if you check out Tali's recent downloads in the Shadow Broker's base, you find that she's been downloading info on human mating habits (as well as a masturbation program for her suit). She does this no matter if you're playing male or fem shep, or if you romance her or not. So basically, Tali has always been bi for Shep.
 

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Actually, Shep was always supposed to be bi, but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep didn't want to be associated with a gay character.
Man that is some bullshit. If that's true then Bioware should have taken some initiative and said "You're doing motion-capture! You're a glorified stunt-man! You're not Tom Fucking Cruise! You don't have any creative control here! You can either do what we want you do to and get paid and take the full-body leotard of and get the fuck off the set!"

Seriously that's like a PA bossing James Cameron around.
 

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I don't care how it works, I am against it.

It ruins the integrity of in-game god approved all american alien fucking.
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
Bara_no_Hime said:
Actually, Shep was always supposed to be bi, but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep didn't want to be associated with a gay character.
Man that is some bullshit. If that's true then Bioware should have taken some initiative and said "You're doing motion-capture! You're a glorified stunt-man! You're not Tom Fucking Cruise! You don't have any creative control here! You can either do what we want you do to and get paid and take the full-body leotard of and get the fuck off the set!"

Seriously that's like a PA bossing James Cameron around.
Apparently he's some big male model.

But yeah, it sucks. That's why there was animation done for FemShep/Ashley and FemShep/Tali in ME1 and ME2 - they kept trying, but I guess they figured if you couldn't make a gay MaleShep, you shouldn't be able to make a gay FemShep. So they've taken it out of each game.

ME3, they're apparently keeping it in. Possibly because it's too late for him to refuse to be in another game.
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
DeathWyrmNexus said:
Or he just wants to avoid intimacy curve balls. Which is what he said. Multiple times. Also, he stated that he wants to know how it will work because he wants to control how he engages with his crew.

You seem determined to label him a homophobe because he doesn't want to grind hips with dudes or be in the situation where they are hitting him up for grindage.
And yet for someone who keeps insisting he's "Totally not homophobic or anything" he sure is going about this with the mentality of a 14 year old boy.

"OH GOD THEY'RE PUTTING GAY PEOPLE IN MASS EFFECT EWW EWW EWW NOW A GAY CHARACTER MIGHT TALK TO ME HELP ME FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COMPLETELY AVOID THIS OMG I WANT MY GAME TO BE COMPLETELY HETEROSEXUAL WHY DO YOU HATE ME BIOWARE?"

I mean, seriously? You want an option at the beginning of the game to turn off all the gay content? Are you fucking kidding me? Grow the fuck up. You don't see me making a pointless thread complaining every time a big slutty bimbo makes moves on me in other games. Maybe I should start.
You know what. I'm not 14, and I really did not go about it the way you seem to be insisting I did. I really don't get why you seem to have some beef with me.
All I wanted to know was how Bioware would go about same sex relationships in Mass Effect. And I never said I wanted an option to turn off all gay content, you jackass, just turn off gay relationship options. It would be easier to know if a choice when talking to someone is just a friendly reply or a flirty, I want to get in your pants insinuation. I've made mistakes concerning that before in ME2 and that's for chicks (who you're actually allowed to get romantic with). I said so before that I'm a retard who couldn't tell the difference between the two. I want to know if they're making previous characters gay (so I can be more careful about what my conversation options imply) or if they're introducing new love interests who are gay/bi. BUT SUDDENLY I'M A HOMOPHOBIC 14 YEAR OLD, OH GOD.