Help with one of our players V2.0

[JoesshittyOs]

Like I said in the last thread.

Bake one of his parents into a pie, and let him know you'll do it to the other if he doesn't quit messing around

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Going along with the current details, apparently the DM has taken sides with the player. I'm surprised you're still playing the game, unless leaving means being unable to find a different group.

Friends don't let friends play like d*ck-tards

I kind of thought that too, but I think it's more of an aversion to conflict. He doesn't want to look like the bad guy in this whole thing, so he'll probably just piss and moan til I do something about it again. But going on about the me leaving thing, if I leave, the group loses the location, all of the books, and any sort of organization. I'm the one who does all of that. Aside from our players texting our DM about okaying their character, there is almost NO communications outside of our games. So it'd kind of turn into me pulling a "take my ball and go home" situation.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Now he's decided the NEXT best thing is being a character that can do EVERYTHING by himself. He's wanting to be a Drow Rogue/Swordsage/Assassin/Master Thrower/Exotic Weapon Master... Basically he's trying to be the Main Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS/Infiltrator/Skill Monkey because for some reason he treats D&D as a fucking arms race of "I can do anything you can do" contest.

Is this even a viable build?? I can't imagine he can do a good job at being all of those. IIRC Exotic Weapon Master requires a fair amount of feats. I don't remember about Master Thrower but geez.

And if I remember right from your last thread... wasn't there a limit of one extra book outside of the core? Swordsage is Tome of Battle and Master Thrower and Exotic Weapon Master are from Complete Warrior. So if I'm remembering that right, then his plan already doesn't work.

And also Drow have a +2 level adjustment. Considering his plethora of classes I'm wondering how that's gonna work out for him. I mean if this thing's gonna fall flat, might as well let him shoot himself in the foot.

He found some kind of variant Drow online without a level adjustment that I seriously doubt he's told our DM about, plus a bunch of other variant rules our DM has no idea about like not needing feats to gain proficiency with a weapon, which would add like 3 feats to his list right there. And believe me, he is VERY careful about what he puts levels into to make sure it's exactly what he wants, IE everything.

And I don't know what happened with that rule, I guess since the DM hasn't EXPLICITLY stated it, he isn't taking it into account. Because his character is using like 4 books while everyone else is following it, albeit totally by coincidence.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Should I put my foot down again and just tell this player and our DM that if they refuse to get their shit in order, then they can just go play with themselves, and possibly lose our DM and a Player?

That option. They really need to get their shit in order.

 

[thedoclc]

Frankly, this build sounds absolutely absurd. There's a reason Rule Zero is the first rule of every RPG which exists.

OP, the best option is usually to simply talk it out. Round up the other players and see if they share your opinion. If they do, sit everyone down and say, "Look, the rest of us aren't having fun with this." If the GM and the player aren't willing to make the game fun for the rest of the party, have the rest of the players veto the game and start things off in a new direction. If the trouble player doesn't want to change, a simple, firm, "No," from the GM is unarguable. If you and the rest of the players aren't having fun because of a spoil-sport, that player needs to go. If the GM isn't trying to entertain all the players, he needs to be fired.

And always be open to the idea that you are the only one unhappy with the situation. If that's the case, decide whether you can live with it or not. If everyone else is having fun, either play in the group as it is or leave the game behind.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Frankly, this build sounds absolutely absurd. There's a reason Rule Zero is the first rule of every RPG which exists.

OP, the best option is usually to simply talk it out. Round up the other players and see if they share your opinion. If they do, sit everyone down and say, "Look, the rest of us aren't having fun with this." If the GM and the player aren't willing to make the game fun for the rest of the party, have the rest of the players veto the game and start things off in a new direction. If the trouble player doesn't want to change, a simple, firm, "No," from the GM is unarguable. If you and the rest of the players aren't having fun because of a spoil-sport, that player needs to go. If the GM isn't trying to entertain all the players, he needs to be fired.

And always be open to the idea that you are the only one unhappy with the situation. If that's the case, decide whether you can live with it or not. If everyone else is having fun, either play in the group as it is or leave the game behind.

Part of the problem is that our DM says he doesn't see any problem with what the player is doing, which is literally making everyone else in the party redundant. And believe me, I'm not the only one with the problem here, I've brought it up to the others and they're pretty miffed too.

-snip-

Oh you want to hear sketchy? You should have seen his Raptoran Scout/Warblade/Master Thrower/Bloodstorm Blade/StormTalon. That was the FIRST time I had to put my foot down, especially after he spent the whole time shitting on MY character for being Lawful Good, saying it was the "worst kind of character".

 

[Akimoto]

I kind of thought that too, but I think it's more of an aversion to conflict. He doesn't want to look like the bad guy in this whole thing, so he'll probably just piss and moan til I do something about it again. But going on about the me leaving thing, if I leave, the group loses the location, all of the books, and any sort of organization. I'm the one who does all of that. Aside from our players texting our DM about okaying their character, there is almost NO communications outside of our games. So it'd kind of turn into me pulling a "take my ball and go home" situation.

I'm not familiar with the game you're playing but it sounds like you're pretty important for it to take place.

Have you spoken about this issue with the rest? I'm pretty sure they have a view/take on the situation, seeing that the guy is making life difficult. If as a group you all can agree it will be easier to reach a conclusion. People who act like a bad guy but try not to look like one usually fail to get support - those who can pull it off are usually anti-social/psychopaths to a certain degree. This one sounds like an obvious troller who is exploiting loop holes.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Well I haven't played D&D in like 10 years so perhaps things have changed, but is the game not set up so that anyone trying to go the jack of all trades route will be either shitty or average at everything, which is to say not a particularly useful character to be? Because in the context of things because there is always someone else who is better at anything? Eg. someone who is set up as an infiltrator will always be the more secure choice for disarming traps/lockpicking doors/sneaking/ect? A pure mage will always have more powerful damaging spells. A powerful melee character will always have the best tanking and the highest single target DPS?

If that is not however how things are set up, then what the hell why not? What happened to D&D? And if it is that way, then who cares? Personally I would just group other like minded players and kill the person, but I probably never played D&D in the standard way.

It sounds like the problem lies more with the DM than the player to me. A smart DM will always find clever ways to wreck him either way. If as I pointed out before he cant be superman at everything then the DM will exploit his weaknesses, make him rely on the person who went straight lockpicking and the person who went straight mage and so forth, so that he becomes an irrelevant fixture. If he is really somehow that powerful, then make him draw the attention of even more powerful forces to kick his ass. Does not have to be as lame as "a god kills you instantly." Just throw an excessively powerful dragon at him, interested in destroying him as a curiosity. The game is open ended for a reason.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Now here's my question this time:

No, no, no.
Your question really is "what can you say about my DM ?"
And here's the answer : he has very low INT/PER/WIS scores.

No, really, DM isn't just to sit there and look nice. He is to enforce rules and mantain proper balance.
He should either :
- call a meeting and describe to said player what RPGaming is really about (hint : fun for ALL involved) or
- construct the scenario in such way that overpowered character won't make a difference or
- punish his character (curse or something)

There's nothing to really debate here, unless you're said DM.

 

[thedoclc]

-Snip-

Part of the problem is that our DM says he doesn't see any problem with what the player is doing, which is literally making everyone else in the party redundant. And believe me, I'm not the only one with the problem here, I've brought it up to the others and they're pretty miffed too.

-snip-

Oh you want to hear sketchy? You should have seen his Raptoran Scout/Warblade/Master Thrower/Bloodstorm Blade/StormTalon. That was the FIRST time I had to put my foot down, especially after he spent the whole time shitting on MY character for being Lawful Good, saying it was the "worst kind of character".

In response to that, it's obvious. Break off. Have the rest of the group fire the GM and someone else take the mantle. If they're butt-hurt about it, having four or five people not having fun trumps their interests, and someone dumping on another player has clearly missed the point of TT RPGs.

As for LG being the "worst type of character," that statement right there tells a lot about the player. For some, RPGs are about narrative and story-telling. Others like tactical challenge and neat ideas. Some people just want to kick ass. And...some people get their kicks on wish fulfillment of playing a psychotic. I find as players mature, that last group becomes incredibly -boring- to them.

The villain may be cool, but the hero's journey is a far more entertaining story than "some jerkass runs around doing whatever he wants." Your player wants to be a Mary Sue, likely of the Villain Sue or "Anti-hero Sue" variety. Your group isn't having fun. Simple; change it.

I'd recommend manning/womanning it up and doing it yourself.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Now here's my question this time:

No, no, no.
Your question really is "what can you say about my DM ?"
And here's the answer : he has very low INT/PER/WIS scores.

No, really, DM isn't just to sit there and look nice. He is to enforce rules and mantain proper balance.
He should either :
- call a meeting and describe to said player what RPGaming is really about (hint : fun for ALL involved) or
- construct the scenario in such way that overpowered character won't make a difference or
- punish his character (curse or something)

There's nothing to really debate here, unless you're said DM.

Unfortunately, our DM is under the impression that Rules are against the spirit of D&D, which I have no idea where he got that idea. But the biggest issue with our DM at the moment is that he doesn't see a problem with what this player is doing.

 

[malkavianmadman]

you could just figure out a campaign of your own and give it a shot.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

Alright, a while back I asked for a little advice about one of our players trying to steal the game from everyone by trying to make a character who could basically end a fight in one round with stupid high amounts of damage. Well that was resolved after the player agreed that it was too much to be a Flying Race with all that.

Well now he's at it again...

Now he's decided the NEXT best thing is being a character that can do EVERYTHING by himself. He's wanting to be a Drow Rogue/Swordsage/Assassin/Master Thrower/Exotic Weapon Master... Basically he's trying to be the Main Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS/Infiltrator/Skill Monkey because for some reason he treats D&D as a fucking arms race of "I can do anything you can do" contest.

Now here's my question this time:

Should I put my foot down again and just tell this player and our DM that if they refuse to get their shit in order, then they can just go play with themselves, and possibly lose our DM and a Player? Or should I just grin and bear it while this asshole plays the game by himself and the DM slowly broods his way to a state of "Him versus Us Players" complex and turns every fight into a personal quest to kill us?

Well i've never touched DnD, and I probably will never play it, But if the majority of you arent having fun then do something about it? How many people are actually playing? Because if theres 3 or 4 of you that have a problem with this then if you all confronted the GM or the guy who's ruining the game then you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Also how old is this guy? Because it sounds exactly like the stuff you deal with in first grade i.e. the kid who always has to be the best when you play make believe knights, who always wins and cries and kicks up a storm when you dont let him win. He sounds like an 11 year old acting out some sort of fantasy

 

[fenrizz]

Can you conspire to assassinate his character?
Perhaps the other players will join in?

You should maybe think about replacing your DM too.
I'd never let shit like that fly when I was DM.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Alright, a while back I asked for a little advice about one of our players trying to steal the game from everyone by trying to make a character who could basically end a fight in one round with stupid high amounts of damage. Well that was resolved after the player agreed that it was too much to be a Flying Race with all that.

Well now he's at it again...

Now he's decided the NEXT best thing is being a character that can do EVERYTHING by himself. He's wanting to be a Drow Rogue/Swordsage/Assassin/Master Thrower/Exotic Weapon Master... Basically he's trying to be the Main Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS/Infiltrator/Skill Monkey because for some reason he treats D&D as a fucking arms race of "I can do anything you can do" contest.

Now here's my question this time:

Should I put my foot down again and just tell this player and our DM that if they refuse to get their shit in order, then they can just go play with themselves, and possibly lose our DM and a Player? Or should I just grin and bear it while this asshole plays the game by himself and the DM slowly broods his way to a state of "Him versus Us Players" complex and turns every fight into a personal quest to kill us?

Well i've never touched DnD, and I probably will never play it, But if the majority of you arent having fun then do something about it? How many people are actually playing? Because if theres 3 or 4 of you that have a problem with this then if you all confronted the GM or the guy who's ruining the game then you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Also how old is this guy? Because it sounds exactly like the stuff you deal with in first grade i.e. the kid who always has to be the best when you play make believe knights, who always wins and cries and kicks up a storm when you dont let him win. He sounds like an 11 year old acting out some sort of fantasy

There's 4 of us who have an issue with this guy and we're all in our 20's, save our DM who is 19. And if you want a little more backstory on a couple of our players, One is in the Navy and the other just got back from Afghanistan after getting injured by an IED. The rest of us are just students. And I've been saying this guy is just trying to live vicariously through his wisecracking jackass of a character.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Now here's my question this time:

There's nothing to really debate here, unless you're said DM.

Unfortunately, our DM is under the impression that Rules are against the spirit of D&D, which I have no idea where he got that idea. But the biggest issue with our DM at the moment is that he doesn't see a problem with what this player is doing.

Alas poor storyteller, i despised him like hell !
I guess that your DM is the bigger problem than this player fellow. All i can tell you is this :

- D&D is all about rules, tactics, dices and such. Those sourcebooks and rules regulating pretty much everything, from interdimensional travels to defecating weren't introduced just to be ditched.
Suggest that D&D isn't the best system he should run. At the moment all i could think about is World of Darkness (if you're into horror stuff) or some Indie products. I can search for more appropriate system if you wish.

- Remind the DM that he is for you just as you are for him. Despite being GM myself i always said that players are most important. Even the best scenario won't play by itself. Good GM should know and accept that.

- Extreme solution. Change the DM. There are a few RPG systems that are VERY easy to learn and are so flexible that they can support any kind of adventure. There are systems that don't require DM/GM at all !

RPGaming is a little similar to mutualism. Everyone has to work, so everyone could have fun. If someone feels bad, ditched, overshadowed by more charismatic or demanding player, it's the DM's f*cking job to see it and change it.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

Alright, a while back I asked for a little advice about one of our players trying to steal the game from everyone by trying to make a character who could basically end a fight in one round with stupid high amounts of damage. Well that was resolved after the player agreed that it was too much to be a Flying Race with all that.

Well now he's at it again...

Now he's decided the NEXT best thing is being a character that can do EVERYTHING by himself. He's wanting to be a Drow Rogue/Swordsage/Assassin/Master Thrower/Exotic Weapon Master... Basically he's trying to be the Main Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS/Infiltrator/Skill Monkey because for some reason he treats D&D as a fucking arms race of "I can do anything you can do" contest.

Now here's my question this time:

Should I put my foot down again and just tell this player and our DM that if they refuse to get their shit in order, then they can just go play with themselves, and possibly lose our DM and a Player? Or should I just grin and bear it while this asshole plays the game by himself and the DM slowly broods his way to a state of "Him versus Us Players" complex and turns every fight into a personal quest to kill us?

Well i've never touched DnD, and I probably will never play it, But if the majority of you arent having fun then do something about it? How many people are actually playing? Because if theres 3 or 4 of you that have a problem with this then if you all confronted the GM or the guy who's ruining the game then you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Also how old is this guy? Because it sounds exactly like the stuff you deal with in first grade i.e. the kid who always has to be the best when you play make believe knights, who always wins and cries and kicks up a storm when you dont let him win. He sounds like an 11 year old acting out some sort of fantasy

There's 4 of us who have an issue with this guy and we're all in our 20's, save our DM who is 19. And if you want a little more backstory on a couple of our players, One is in the Navy and the other just got back from Afghanistan after getting injured by an IED. The rest of us are just students. And I've been saying this guy is just trying to live vicariously through his wisecracking jackass of a character.

I wasnt having a stab at you with the age comment btw, I was just curious for how old that one guy in particular was. Well its four vs two and you're also the guy who keeps the game together, so you should be able to get the DM to bring his foot down on this guy. From what I've heard about what DM's do this guy isnt doing his job very well.

Have you guys ever all talked to the DM about it or has it just been you talking to the DM? If its the latter he might just think you're lying about the others having a problem with it

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Alright, a while back I asked for a little advice about one of our players trying to steal the game from everyone by trying to make a character who could basically end a fight in one round with stupid high amounts of damage. Well that was resolved after the player agreed that it was too much to be a Flying Race with all that.

Well now he's at it again...

Now he's decided the NEXT best thing is being a character that can do EVERYTHING by himself. He's wanting to be a Drow Rogue/Swordsage/Assassin/Master Thrower/Exotic Weapon Master... Basically he's trying to be the Main Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS/Infiltrator/Skill Monkey because for some reason he treats D&D as a fucking arms race of "I can do anything you can do" contest.

Now here's my question this time:

Should I put my foot down again and just tell this player and our DM that if they refuse to get their shit in order, then they can just go play with themselves, and possibly lose our DM and a Player? Or should I just grin and bear it while this asshole plays the game by himself and the DM slowly broods his way to a state of "Him versus Us Players" complex and turns every fight into a personal quest to kill us?

Well i've never touched DnD, and I probably will never play it, But if the majority of you arent having fun then do something about it? How many people are actually playing? Because if theres 3 or 4 of you that have a problem with this then if you all confronted the GM or the guy who's ruining the game then you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Also how old is this guy? Because it sounds exactly like the stuff you deal with in first grade i.e. the kid who always has to be the best when you play make believe knights, who always wins and cries and kicks up a storm when you dont let him win. He sounds like an 11 year old acting out some sort of fantasy

There's 4 of us who have an issue with this guy and we're all in our 20's, save our DM who is 19. And if you want a little more backstory on a couple of our players, One is in the Navy and the other just got back from Afghanistan after getting injured by an IED. The rest of us are just students. And I've been saying this guy is just trying to live vicariously through his wisecracking jackass of a character.

I wasnt having a stab at you with the age comment btw, I was just curious for how old that one guy in particular was. Well its four vs two and you're also the guy who keeps the game together, so you should be able to get the DM to bring his foot down on this guy. From what I've heard about what DM's do this guy isnt doing his job very well.

Have you guys ever all talked to the DM about it or has it just been you talking to the DM? If its the latter he might just think you're lying about the others having a problem with it

I didn't think you were making a joke about us, this guy is acting pretty immature. And I've told him that everyone is really getting fed up, and you can trust that I'm going to have everyone talk to him about what THEY personally have an issue with.