Here we go again: Anita Sarkeesian and the gaming community
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Why are that using her at all, I don't believe she knows two owls and a turd about game design or art for that matter.
there is no use for her on the scene, she's a trophy, an excuse for controversy, a statement at best. I don't really care, never cared for mirrors edge or for that hack that's trying to give a high school presentation.
And this is old news, there's no reason to go on about it.
there is no use for her on the scene, she's a trophy, an excuse for controversy, a statement at best. I don't really care, never cared for mirrors edge or for that hack that's trying to give a high school presentation.
And this is old news, there's no reason to go on about it.
well there sure as hell wasn't an internet freak out over "femenists" before she arrived....or when there was it was smaller or self containedRedryhno said:
wha--what? they cancelled it!IceForce said:
but I got the decorations! the wicker effigy and the fire permit and everything!
fuckin killjoys
YOU WOUND ME WITH YOUR WORDS GREAT SIR. HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE MIRROR'S EDGE, IT WAS THE PLATFORMER OF THE FUTURE I SEZ!cleric of the order said:
I don't much care either way myself, except that she's probably taking up space for people with better credentials but without the backing of the...I'd say internet, but people seem to think everyone on the internet hates her for her gender alone. So we'll go with the amorphous blob that looks a bit like a cloud connected to a million things that look like computers.
How long have you been on the internet? There was a pretty big group of people that didn't care for her school of thought before she appeared on this scene, they used to be called Atheists and...I'd say BDSM'ers, but that's way too limited a term...does Kinksters work?Vault101 said:
And even before that were the Tumblr "feminists" everyone likes to make fun of. Don't use Tumblr myself, but any amount of browsing(I'm a fan of many things that end up being used for humor on there) and you find a dozen that aren't doing it as a joke. The internet has had problems with "feminists" for years.
And more often than not from what I've seen in my life, it's not the people banging on the door wailing to be let in that get things done, it's the ones that go in when the store is open and tries talking with a clear set of goals and ways to keep the best while cleaning out the worst. "feminists" fall into the former, Feminists the latter. You can also probably guess which one I hold up higher on the totem pole.
Worth noting that the video the developer agreed with was uploaded after Saint's Row 4 was released.shrekfan246 said:Before we get to everyone brandishing their torches and pitchforks, I'd just like to point out that the last instance of a high-profile developer listening to Sarkeesian's criticism/views was Saints Row IV [https://www.google.com/search?q=saints+row+iv+anita+sarkeesian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp], and anybody who has played that game knows how it turned out.
Which is an outright lie. I've been following GamerGate since the beginning and it has, at its core, nothing to do with misogyny. It was founded on the back of allegations that were made about corruption in the industry. Have people used it as an excuse to be misogynistic? Yes, but the acts of a minority don't represent the majority. If it did than you could easily say that Anita and her followers are just misandrists.Haerthan said:
OT: meh. Even if it was true I doubt it would have been anything more than a pr stunt.
I'm eh about this. We don't actually know if Anita is going to officially shadow the process, and even if she is there was so little of Faith's personality in the first game that I can't imagine how her influence, good or bad, would be noticeable in the sequel. Faith is already a pretty independent character that isn't even defined by her sex but by her job and how good she's at it, which is pretty feminist already.
We put our fingers in our ears and drowned out the background noise for too long until it got to the point where we couldn't ignore it anymore. That and the web happened. At the pace tech moves the law can't keep up to adjust itself for new technology. That and there really honestly has never been good punishment systems at all for online activity. The second someone comes up with a way to say ban an entire computer from a web page/online game and not have them change the IP address or something else as a work around is the day we'll start seeing more decent human beings online. Essentially its still just too easy to be a jerk online with no real world repercussions to deal with for being a jerk.Haerthan said:
My only fear is that they would make Faith's femaleness incredibly apparent and the core of her character rather than a person that cares deeply for their chosen circle and fights against the apparent fascism of the City in her own way who also happens to be a woman.NemotheElvenPanda said:
Hateful, misanthrope here, you're right.Vault101 said:
If we know the gender or whatever we can adjust our insults and sociological attacks accordingly, men have different buttons then women and vise versa.
That being said most misanthropes, trolls and others parts of the dark legion don't usually give an ass about gender politics, where's just here to watch the world burn.
And I do love having a sense of humor.
normally I don't usually make anti dualist arguments like these but, they are just game characters, men and women.
If you care that a rendering is sexualized, fine I guess but from what I understand people know what play is. People like ideals, illusions and drama and to date I don't see this carrying over more then the normal bed rock is.
It'd be better to attack it directly.
let me end this with a remark on the paradox of objectification and it's identification.
let me get into my philospher mind set, boom sophestry, lets go
The same could be said for objectionable.
So I must beg the question, where does it come from, where does it go?
Simply if someone is objectified in a forest and nobody's around to see it does it make a lick of sense.
Does the line have to be drawn at the interaction, I've heard many defend bayonetta and decry it but it was created by a woman but the moment one has called her creation internalized muhsoggywhatever then one is technically objectifying her, by removing her agency and reducing her choices and experiences to cultural default.
What we have is a Ouroboros, the head bitting the tail, objecitifiation will exist as long as people can define it. An innocent would have no problem ignoring or even failing to view this as a whole.
I the honest truth I fail to see this a real issue or see how this damaging at all, the women in my life are tough and have never put up with these sorts of issues. They laugh at this sort of kerfuffle and I have to wonder what is the key reason to remove it.
Let me make something clear, I follow the categorical imperative and intention when it comes to judging issues of morality (more so the latter them the former). And as i see it, it is not inherently a negative action, the lines of though condemning it require greater mechanisms to condemn it, I.E. this effects people this way, which affects people this way 2xcombob.
But there isn't an immediate affect, it's a gradual effect resultant from many different factors to which it isn't even the biggest offender just the most immediately distasteful.
Further more it as a theorem negates the agency and experience of the people affect by it, man, woman, OR A
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hrrrm actualyl that song did help.
I think attacking objectification in media fails to address the direct results of media, culture, evolutionary roles, instinct, nature, nuture, yattayada, what ever else you could roll up out of this.
The results the people will still fall prey to the symptom and while one removed (one of)the cause(s).
As someone more inclined to psych over pop feminism's hackened sociology I'd argue it would be better to maintain responsibility on all people and an expectation of full agency, more now then ever in our day and age of nobody fucked up.
Followed by therapy, self actualization and contemplative meditation.
But I'm a Jungian, a moralist, an old school anti authoritarian liberal and a fool.
I know the economic limitations but my I've always loved the saying from bone, about having to find the dragons for yourself.
And the finale from the manticore.
".? Davey, did you ever think that these three men who were so splendid at understanding others had first to understand themselves? It was from their self-knowledge they spoke. They did not go trustingly to some doctor and follow his lead because they were too lazy or too scared to make the inward journey alone. They dared heroically. And it should never be forgotten that they made the inward journey while they were working like galley-slaves at their daily tasks, considering other people's troubles, raising families, living full lives. They were heroes, in a sense that no space-explorer can be a hero, because they went into the unknown absolutely alone. Was their heroism simply meant to raise a whole new crop of invalids? Why don't you go home and shoulder your yoke, and be a hero too?? "
You will never be complete without trails and tribulations.
The most honestly caring thing to do is let people over come their suffering. Not do it for them. It's a pain I know, so many people but there is a balm of Gilead, we can come to them with open arms and mark them together.
We all suffer together and perhaps with that knowledge and a bit of love and empathy we can all pick up our yokes and bee heroes.
Thor is here, Loki is now.
[edit] I doubt you will get back to me tonight if ever, you have quite the work cut out for you, better bring a friend and a machete, I'm going to sleep. [edit]
This may be the least substantial thread I have ever posted in, and I posted in the masturbation thread. Who cares, honestly this is the most fluff ever.
A woman you may or may not hate, may or may not be a CONSULTANT, on a game you may or may not (probly not) play? sure consult away, consult all the everyone you can find.
I always found her videos to be the sort of thing I put on the same tier as reports about the arc of the covenant or the garden of Eden being found, start with your conclusion and make whatever you find fit that. But still.... a consultant? if we can get mad about this, we could get mad about a drop of condensation on our cheese. Flame on gamers, flame on.
A woman you may or may not hate, may or may not be a CONSULTANT, on a game you may or may not (probly not) play? sure consult away, consult all the everyone you can find.
I always found her videos to be the sort of thing I put on the same tier as reports about the arc of the covenant or the garden of Eden being found, start with your conclusion and make whatever you find fit that. But still.... a consultant? if we can get mad about this, we could get mad about a drop of condensation on our cheese. Flame on gamers, flame on.
Same, but if the last game is any indication, she won't be hit with the "chickification" bat like Samus Aran in the Other M. If they keep the way she is now, with maybe some more exploration in her relationship with her fellow couriers, family, and the government, she should be fine. There is always that risk though when it comes to female leads for some reason. Apparently being reminded that we're playing woman, not a warrior, leader, courier, or whatever, but a woman is an essential part of characterization.Redryhno said:
I think her entire input would be her name, maybe she'd throw a couple things in with Mcintosh but i don't think so.Redryhno said:
I tend to agree with the blob, the blob is the majority, it is the collective will of the people, loud, gaseous and nauseating but still largely meaningful in it's choices.
All i can hope for is the day the singularity comes, then people can drop a lot of issues.
No, see she tended to coincidence with a lot of things, I left feminism around this time for mostly separate things (male tears, #killallmen, tumblr, etc) and I manged to avoid trumblertots.Vault101 said:
Feminism has shot itself in the foot 5 square times over these last couple years, soon me and my fellow egalitarians will crawl out of our caves and feast upon them and thus will begin the second age of krab people.
Yeah they were upset over the atheism+ thing, stupid idea really. Those people were and are idiots and they've made lot of enemies, the strongest anti fems today are atheists and they are really damn logical, bad move SJWS.Redryhno said:
Well said, well said.
It's EA's funeral. Regardless of what anyone might think of the gaming community at large (I'm a 35 year old male nurse and game enthusiast, that can't stand A.S.) a huge proponent of them will boycott this product into the ground if her name is on it just to prove a point.Haerthan said:
It might very well be completely benign her being involved, but when you are as toxic as she is, you aren't afforded the opportunity of an even assessment anymore.
She's not a fan of games, she is a tailcoat riding con artist lapping up all the attention negative or otherwise because it fills up her Patreon/Kickstarter coffers.
Hows that Tropes Vs. Women video series treating all you supporters out there. You all know she is living high off the hog with that money right?
1) This is old news. I thought people already new this.
2) I'm not that worried. Chances are she'll have little to no input in the game, since she's just on the pay-roll (we don't know if she's actually being paid) for publicity.
3) Is she actually working for them at all? The debunking video did not mention either way (then again I didn't watch for very long).
2) I'm not that worried. Chances are she'll have little to no input in the game, since she's just on the pay-roll (we don't know if she's actually being paid) for publicity.
3) Is she actually working for them at all? The debunking video did not mention either way (then again I didn't watch for very long).
So how sexist is it to assume that men can't see these tropes and they apparently need a woman to point them out?
