Here's your "Funner/Colorful/Humourous" DC animated movie.

[DefunctTheory]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

No I am not invalidating whatever you said I am just curious if you do enjoy the Schumacher Batman movies?

 

[DefunctTheory]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

No I am not invalidating whatever you said I am just curious if you do enjoy the Schumacher Batman movies?

Ina retrospective, 'so bad it's good' kind of way, yes.

I wouldn't advocate for them to make more of them, though.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

No I am not invalidating whatever you said I am just curious if you do enjoy the Schumacher Batman movies?

Ina retrospective, 'so bad it's good' kind of way, yes.

I wouldn't advocate for them to make more of them, though.

See my problem with the "So Bad, Its Good" statement is that if you find it good and enjoyed your time with it, than technically it was a good movie.

I mean I enjoy Godzilla 1998, but I don't think its right to say its "so bad, its good".

 

[DefunctTheory]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

No I am not invalidating whatever you said I am just curious if you do enjoy the Schumacher Batman movies?

Ina retrospective, 'so bad it's good' kind of way, yes.

I wouldn't advocate for them to make more of them, though.

See my problem with the "So Bad, Its Good" statement is that if you find it good and enjoyed your time with it, than technically it was a good movie.

I mean I enjoy Godzilla 1998, but I don't think its right to say its "so bad, its good".

Oh no, we're not going there.

Don't try to start another fight, over 'so bad it's good.' Stick to complaining about joy and fun, please.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

I think there's room for optimism in comics occasionally. All-Star Superman is one of my favourite comics of all time. But there's a difference between "optimism" and "Adam West's Batman."

Here's the thing about the 1960's Batman; the reason why it's so charming and funny to us now is because it fucking sucked. It ran for three seasons and a movie and never really made that much money. It persisted in the public consciousness solely as an object of ridicule. This is a show where Batman is hanging from a helicopter by a rope ladder while being pursued by a shark, and instead of climbing the ladder or raising the helicopter, he instead pulls out a can of shark repellant that he had on his belt. It was dumb.

I don't know. I lived through ten years or so of being a comic book fan when the words were synonymous with this asshole. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWHZeEiIoAs] Now it's mainstream, and all I see are people saying it's too dark, and it's too serious, and aren't comic books meant to be for kids?

When did that suddenly become the status quo? That comics are for kids? Watchmen came out in 1986. It's older than I am.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because not everyone thinks it is the ass crack. Some people think that what's going on now, in modern Batman, is the ass crack.

Some people just want to have fun, you know. They don't need grit and grim hosed into their eyes. I'm glad you don't seem to take your weird, fanatical approach to other universes - I don't need a kill joy ranting about how Ciaphas Cain doesn't fit into the Imperium.

So do you geniuenely enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and do not think they are bad movies?

How would that in any way invalidate anything I've said?

We're talking about an animated movie and a live action TV show. The later was enjoyable to a lot of people, including me, so we believe the former has a good chance of being good as well. A few bad live action films that involved absolutely no one who will be taking part in either this new movie or the old TV show means absolutely nothing, particularly since I can just counter with 'Well those movies suck bit Brave and the Bold was amazing.'

No I am not invalidating whatever you said I am just curious if you do enjoy the Schumacher Batman movies?

Ina retrospective, 'so bad it's good' kind of way, yes.

I wouldn't advocate for them to make more of them, though.

See my problem with the "So Bad, Its Good" statement is that if you find it good and enjoyed your time with it, than technically it was a good movie.

I mean I enjoy Godzilla 1998, but I don't think its right to say its "so bad, its good".

Oh no, we're not going there.

Don't try to start another fight, over 'so bad it's good.' Stick to complaining about joy and fun, please.

I do enjoy Godzilla 1998 though, and I find it a much better than the 2014 one, I was dissipointed because the 2014 one had so much potential to a completely different and better movie than the one we got. (Basically I wanted it to be more like Spielberg's War of the Worlds but with Godzilla as the bad guy)

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because some people aren't 16 year olds trying to act like they're 30.

"Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." C.S. Lewis

I'm nearing 24 years old.

16 is nearing 24.

Age aside, wanting EVERYTHING to fit your dark and brooding undeveloped worldview is a selfish desire.

The bat credit card might be goofy, but don't forget the title fight on BvS ended when the two characters realized their mom's had the same name.

I'll take intentionally goofy over "try-hard" any day

I just have this view for Superheroes mostly. I am one of those guys that dislike how for example Harry Potter got a bit too dark (even though it was the intention and I did like the last 4 Potter movies) so I like the first 2 movies the best because it felt more "Magical"

But for Superheroes I want my Superheroes to be more mature and adult.

Also Bat Credit is still more stupid than Batman realizing Superman's mom has the same name I'm sorry.

 

[McMarbles]

Don't turn DC in a campy childish mockery of itself Warner Bros. please. This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

And what pisses me off more is that this is gonna be more well reiceived than Mark Hamill's performance of the Joker in The Killing Joke.

Don't judge things before you see them, old chum.

 

[King Billi]

But for Superheroes I want my Superheroes to be more mature and adult.

That's just the thing though... They are! 'Batman v Superman' still exists and in spite of the criticism its received they're still pushing ahead with Justice League and the rest of the DCEU.

That's the thing that makes all these arguments about mature vs lighthearted / grimdark vs childish so perplexing to me, superheroes are so prevalent now that between films, television, animation and of course the comics, everyone's personal tastes are being catered too somewhere if they're willing to look. No one tone or interpretation is dominating the market and not just in the different approaches between Marvel and DC but also with individual characters.

I mean an animated film based off of the Adam West TV show is being released the same year as an adaption of The Killing Joke... Two interpretations of Batman as far apart from each other as humanly possible yet both an undeniable part of the characters history and each with their own fans neither of which have to miss out on seeing that work celebrated.

How is this anything other than a good thing?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This is just a regression to kid's stuff.

It says a lot that you consider a superhero cartoon that kids might enjoy to be a "regression".

After watching the Original Animated Series, and the Dark Knight Returns animated adaption, and just the Nolan Films in general.

Why would anyone want to go back to the asscrack that was 60s Campy Adam West Batman?

Because some people aren't 16 year olds trying to act like they're 30.

"Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." C.S. Lewis

I'm nearing 24 years old.

16 is nearing 24.

Age aside, wanting EVERYTHING to fit your dark and brooding undeveloped worldview is a selfish desire.

The bat credit card might be goofy, but don't forget the title fight on BvS ended when the two characters realized their mom's had the same name.

I'll take intentionally goofy over "try-hard" any day

I just have this view for Superheroes mostly. I am one of those guys that dislike how for example Harry Potter got a bit too dark (even though it was the intention and I did like the last 4 Potter movies) so I like the first 2 movies the best because it felt more "Magical"

But for Superheroes I want my Superheroes to be more mature and adult.

Also Bat Credit is still more stupid than Batman realizing Superman's mom has the same name I'm sorry.

Nah, Martha is still dumber since it came in the middle of a try hard serious movie. At least the bat card fit the tone the whole way through.

I feel like i go through this every time you mention "maturity" but ill do it again. Mature and adult don't mean dark or sad or angry. You can be mature and happy, and adult and have both parents alive. Maturity is measured in how you cope with your emotions and how you deal with those around you.

As adult as BvS tries to be, it's incredibly shallow and immature in how it handles the idea of heroes existing in the real world. It's content with phrasing questions about superman and his role on earth, but never goes to any length answering them. Would he be a good influence? Bad? Does he have the capacity for evil? Should we be worried? The movie spends the majority of its run time asking these questions out loud to the audience, but in the end the situation is resolved by a vapid name reveal that batman would have known if he did 5 seconds of research.

The old movies and the adam west show make no claims to be mature or adult, but bvs does so its held to a higher standard. We need better.

I can understand shallow but honeslty don't see how BvS's attempts at being mature is in itself immature and as you said that you can be mature and happy there were moments of levity, The initial scene with Clark and Lois, heck even Bruce smiled at some moments.

As to the whole questioning of Superman and his place in the world well this is the problem with trying to adapt the kind of depth that comics and televised series can pull off but in a 2 hour stand alone movie with continuity.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

16 is nearing 24.

What the hell does that mean? I'm 27, am I just a 16-year-old nearing 27?

Even if I was - what, older is better? My mother's in her late sixties and she's one of the most immature people I've ever met, God bless her. Frank Miller's older than you and he wrote the book on being dark and gritty; does that make him right, because he's older?

Age aside, wanting EVERYTHING to fit your dark and brooding undeveloped worldview is a selfish desire.

The bat credit card might be goofy, but don't forget the title fight on BvS ended when the two characters realized their mom's had the same name.

I'll take intentionally goofy over "try-hard" any day

I'm one of those people for whom the Martha moment didn't seem stupid at all. That might make me dumb and immature, but I read the moment as Batman suddenly realising that his enemy had a mother; it humanised Superman to the point where Batman couldn't kill him any more.

It wasn't perfectly delivered, and I can understand why people mock it, but I can see what they were aiming for and I respect it. I'll take someone trying to be deep and meaningful and not quite landing it over someone who settles for being goofy just because it's easier.

Anyway. No-one's saying that everything needs to be dark and brooding. I'm super psyched about the Lego Batman movie, it looks great. And I enjoyed Brave and the Bold - it was still Batman, it was just Batman running around in space and whatnot. I think there's room for happy Batman and sad Batman in the public consciousness.

I'm just kind of perplexed that the general consensus seems to have shifted from "comics should be mature and complex because adults read them" to "comics should be goofy and fun because children read them." Is it just the Marvel films that have caused this? Is it some broader backlash against recent plotlines in comics? Is it because comic book fans got even older, had kids, and now want their kids to get into comics?

I watched this video [http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2016/08/22/dc-comics-ongoing-campaign-against-dc-comics/], and even though I love Kris Straub, I can't help but think he was on the wrong foot at the end of it. We shouldn't be criticising bad plotlines because they're not happy and family-friendly; we should be criticising them for being bad.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

It wasn't perfectly delivered, and I can understand why people mock it, but I can see what they were aiming for and I respect it. I'll take someone trying to be deep and meaningful and not quite landing it over someone who settles for being goofy just because it's easier.

Comedy is just as hard, if not harder, to pull off than pathos - trying to recapture the spirit of the Adam West days without falling into the self-referencing parody people think it was is arguably harder than doing the Killing Joke.

I'm just kind of perplexed that the general consensus seems to have shifted from "comics should be mature and complex because adults read them" to "comics should be goofy and fun because children read them." Is it just the Marvel films that have caused this? Is it some broader backlash against recent plotlines in comics? Is it because comic book fans got even older, had kids, and now want their kids to get into comics?

You're treating it as an either/or position which it doesn't have to be. Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns proved that the comic book medium, specifically the superhero genre within, could tell emotionally and morally complex stories. It can, but every comic cannot, and indeed should not, be either of those.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I'm just kind of perplexed that the general consensus seems to have shifted from "comics should be mature and complex because adults read them" to "comics should be goofy and fun because children read them." Is it just the Marvel films that have caused this? Is it some broader backlash against recent plotlines in comics? Is it because comic book fans got even older, had kids, and now want their kids to get into comics?

You're treating it as an either/or position which it doesn't have to be. Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns proved that the comic book medium, specifically the superhero genre within, could tell emotionally and morally complex stories. It can, but every comic cannot, and indeed should not, be either of those.

Setting aside entirely the question of whether comedy is harder then tragedy...

I said the exact opposite of what you seem to think I said, in the paragraph immediately above the one you just quoted.

Observe:

Anyway. No-one's saying that everything needs to be dark and brooding. I'm super psyched about the Lego Batman movie, it looks great. And I enjoyed Brave and the Bold - it was still Batman, it was just Batman running around in space and whatnot. I think there's room for happy Batman and sad Batman in the public consciousness.

It's weird that you missed that.

 

[Hawki]

I'm one of those people for whom the Martha moment didn't seem stupid at all. That might make me dumb and immature, but I read the moment as Batman suddenly realising that his enemy had a mother; it humanised Superman to the point where Batman couldn't kill him any more.

It might have worked better if Bruce hadn't said "I bet your parents told you you were special" 5 seconds ago. So, he's quite willing to kill a man with parents, but if one of them is named Martha? Nup. That's going too far.

The meaning behind the scene is crystal clear, but in terms of execution, it leaves something to be desired. Also doesn't help that the two have sketchy reasons to be fighting in the first place. Bruce, I can understand, but Superman comes for help, is ineffectually blasted, tells Bruce to "stay down" (despite barely letting him get up after tossing him everywhere), and then stops talking entirely until "Martha."

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

It might have worked better if Bruce hadn't said "I bet your parents told you you were special" 5 seconds ago. So, he's quite willing to kill a man with parents, but if one of them is named Martha? Nup. That's going too far.

I actually noticed that too. The reason is that Batfleck is quoting The Dark Knight Returns, and they didn't think to change the line.

Maybe he was like, "I bet your alien parents who are extraterrestrials told you you were special." And then it's like, no, her name is Martha.

Like I said, not perfectly delivered. But I see what they were going for.

The meaning behind the scene is crystal clear, but in terms of execution, it leaves something to be desired. Also doesn't help that the two have sketchy reasons to be fighting in the first place. Bruce, I can understand, but Superman comes for help, is ineffectually blasted, tells Bruce to "stay down" (despite barely letting him get up after tossing him everywhere), and then stops talking entirely until "Martha."

I figured Superman basically panicked as soon as he got poisoned and realised Batman might actually be able to kill him.

 

[Hawki]

I figured Superman basically panicked as soon as he got poisoned and realised Batman might actually be able to kill him.

Maybe, but he doesn't really show panic in his facial expressions. His level of vulnerability comes and goes - there's a point when he gets it back, and Bruce backs away. Superman tilts his head, then sends Bruce through the floor. It's as if that by this point in the fight he's either forgotten about his mother, or has simply decided "screw it, I'll just kill Batman and hope Lex honours his word."

I'm not a person who really has that much investment in these characters (certainly not outside the films), but credit where credit is due, Civil War does frame the conflict between Tony and Steve as an ideological one, with both having understandable positions, which translates well into their final fight. In contrast, the BvS fight lacks any such divide, or at least, any such interesting divide. Bruce's motivations are easy enough to understand, even though I feel that there needed to be more to highlight his darkened persona (e.g. we get Alfred's "turn good men cruel" line and that's about it). Supes is there because Lex manipulates him into it. At this point, it's two arseholes slugging it out because one has a grudge, and the other...well, go figure.

 

[Frankster]

Ha! Not quite the outrageous Aquaman movie I was hoping for but this doesn't seem too bad either xD

Otherwise for killing joke. I really liked it but yeah, people just can't seem to get over a 20 year old woman banging her "yoga teacher" to the point it's overshadowed everything else.