Hip-Hop and Rap: What are your thoughts?

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your asking a website FILLED to the rim with white hard ass metal/rock freaks, so the opinion will be super biased


personally? the only music that i don't really care for is old country, i think its the most non chalant garbage that shouldn't even be considered music, but actual torture.


beyond that? i can get around to listening to about anything, sure most rap/hip hop that is somewhat mainstream isn't amazing, but it isn't bad to jam to in a club/dance and i can tap around to that


plus when im running and biking, metal just isn't...catchy nor fun to listen to in those instances, when i have a good rhythm going with a rap or hip hop song it gets me goin pretty good.

for my entry, it might have been entered already, but

absolutely amazing song imo
 

WouldYouKindly

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Atmosphere, Sage Francis, Flobots. All good rap/hip hop that stays away from the chauvinism and delves into politics and social issues.



A rare chorus from him

 
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Konaerix said:
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Undeniably so, but forcing everyone in a 40m radius to listen to your choice of music still makes you a dick.
So does living in a first world country, considering every bit of your consumption comes at the price of the blood, sweat and tears of someone in a third world country.

Konaerix said:
That doesn't justify the fact that the ENTIRE CAR is resonating headache inducing sound waves that can be heard/felt over three blocks away.
Sacrificing the "full" experience is alright if you spare everyone around you the pains of having to listen to: BOOM BOOM BOOOOM BOOOM!!!! for the duration of the drive.
If you don't like urban noise, you should move to a rural area. What isn't bass will be construction, crowds, and an endless sea of motors so long as you're in a city.

And one person's "noise" is another's art. Would you hate someone's sidewalk art for making you cross the street instead? If so, please relocate yourself to a grey, cement, artless box, for you must hate the subject passionately so.
Are you telling me to change my life simply because some jerk is being inconsiderate to others around him?
Also, I have yet to hear any kind of construction, crowd, or motor that makes a noise that feels like someone is pounding my head with a sledge hammer.
While music is art, and rap/hiphop is undeniably music, no other form of "art" is so disruptive. Sidewalk art can be simply turned away from, the same can be done with movies, games, or books. Most music is like this as well. Just plug your ears or something of the like. Not rap/hiphop, the amount of bass cannot be drowned out be plugging your ears nor can it be stopped by anything other then TURNING DOWN THE BASS. Just to reiterate, I don't truly hate Hiphop or rap, I hate the disturbances and effects it causes.
you must have zero harley riders in your area (generalization for bike riders) holy fuck i can hear them a couple blocks away even though they are barely puttering past 20 miles per hour, that shit is loud and annoying as heck, all it is is an annoying misuse of sound, i'd rather have it be loud music than just plain ass loud noises from loud engines/bikes/construction machines, have you ever been around some of the construction equipment? your ear gets raped harder than any rap song i have ever heard, and my friends car literally had its rear view mirror "shake" off because of the bass coming off of his car.
 

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I like the beats, but I tend to find the lyrics grating. In short, I wouldn't necessarily complain if I was exposed to them. But then again I prefer the orchestra/choir music made for movie trailers/soundtracks.
 

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William Ossiss said:
SageRuffin said:
Some of us, such as myself, happen to like that "asinine" culture, thank you.
so you LIKE shooting people? initiating violence simply because of a color you wear? or an affiliation with a certain group? gangs were made so that people in the ghetto could survive. not so you could join up and act like an ass hat because some guy pissed you off. then you get your gang to help you. they get THEIR gang to help them. then a lot of innocent people get caught in the cross fire. IE: children.
Wait... are you for real? Please tell me this is a really bad joke...

If not, then you're simply a fool, and you know nothing of hip-hop culture. In fact, I'm quite insulted that you automatically think I - or anyone else for that matter - would carry myself in such a fashion. So, good job looking like an over-generalizing jackass. Mission accomplished. Why don't don't you give yourself a pat on the back for that one.

I would kindly inform you of the error of your ways, but given that you answered in such a fashion with shit that doesn't even lend itself to the culture but the fucking world at large (and really? gangs were around before hip-hop was even invented), and you blatantly disregarded everything else I wrote. I'd simply be wasting my time.

You'll learn soon enough. Let's just hope it happens before it's too late.
 

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Like any genre, i am sure there is good rap and hip-hop. However, i should note that if a music theorist can call it "good music", that doesn't mean i will like it. There is a distinction between "good music" and "music i like".

In general terms though, i stay away from the genre because as a culture, rap and hip-hop seems largely focused with Black-Americans or, in my country, white working class youths aspiring to be black Americans. Also, i tend not to like the instrumentals and the style of vocal delivery.

I much prefer heavy metal, which is something i can better relate to. Be it Alestorm singing fee-good songs about pirates, Iron Maiden about the "Rhyme of the ancient marinere" or Tyr singing about the clash between norse pagan and christian cultures. I can all identify to this because i feel it is my culture. Rap and hip-hop isn't.
 

Vault101

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I hate it when people just dismiss it

I will be honest and say I mostly listen to Eminem because he's awsome, and it snot ust about gins and hos like everything else seems to be

I mean there is ood rap..its just not as common

as for guns and ho's gangster rap, I listen to some of it because I find it funny like "awww loook he thinks he's cool!"
 

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I like some old-school rap and the more relaxed hip-hop, but most of it I'm not a fan of. There's the odd song that's just awesome though.
 

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While it is true that opinions are subjective and noone can say that you are "wrong" for liking or disliking something in 90% of cases where I see people hating on rap, they display at least some degree of ignorance, generally crass stereotyping. If your opinion is based on false beliefs, then I can say that your beliefs are wrong and your opinions may need revising.

First of all, different genres need to be assessed on different criteria. Saying that rap is bad singing and is based around repetative beats is not only wrong, but missing the point. It would be like criticising Mozart for his lack of guitar solos. Good rap is all about flow, complex rhymes, clever word play and storytelling ability. If you think that DJing is easy or boring or "just taking someone elses songs", then look at this documentary on why you are wrong. Oh yea, and rap groups are increasingly using live bands. These guys currently work as Jimmy Fallon's house band.

Secondly, I realise, that songs primarily concerned with the issues of young, lower class black men are unlikely to strike a chord with those who frequent a videogames forum. I mean that would be like expecting Jay Z to be a big fan of Grizzly Bear. Oh wait. You can enjoy a peice of music regardless of subject matter. I don't see anyone complaining about, say, Nick Cave writing an a whole album of songs about murdering people, Big Black writing an album called "Songs About Fucking" or the Velvet Underground writing songs about taking lots of drugs. But somehow, when its in a rap song, it becomes offensive. I personally find, for example, NWA quite a refreshing change from all the angsty white guy music I listen to.
Oh yea, and I almost feel it goes without saying that nowhere near as much rap as most people claim is about "guns, bitches and bling", at least not the sort of rap that anyone actually into rap listens to. The first rap group that I got into (I'll admit, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, I would been on the side of the majority of this thread) was De La Soul, as their whole aestetic was the complete opposite to what I learned to expect from rap, with a jazz influenced sound and raps about everything from awkward first loves to surreal walks in the park, talking to animals. I sortof started at the left-field and worked my way right.
To summarise, there is a large amount of rap that is not about "guns, bitches and bling" and even if it is, that doesn't mean that its necessarily bad.

Thirdly, Sturgeons Law. Yea, there is a fairly large amount of rap which is shit. On the other hand, there is a large amount of any genre which is shit. Judging rap by 50 Cent is like judging fantasy novels by Stephanie Mayer, they may be popular (although, I don't really know anyone that listens to 50 Cent any more), but don't let them taint the genre as a whole.

Oh, and lastly, can people please stop saying that all good rap was released in the 80s/90s and since then its been crap, especially if you are going to hold up the Sugarhill Gang, MC Hammer or Vanilla Ice as your examples. Have you listened to the fish verse of Rappers Delight? I forgive you for missing it, because its about 6 minutes into that song, but its one of the most baffling things ever committed to tape; a narrative about going to a friends house and having to eat bad food out of politeness. Even though they allegedly coined the term "rap", they were by no means the first rap group. They were a largely manufactured group, to wring money out of rising rap scene. MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice released one decent song each, both of rap over barely edited samples of Superfreak and Under Pressure respectively and don't hold a candle to other rappers or groups of that era: Run DMC, Public Enemy, De La Soul, Eric B and Rakim, Beastie Boys, Boogie Down Productions, etc.
There's been plenty of good rap this side of the millenium. 5 of Metacritics Top 15 albums of the 00s are rap, 10 of the top 50. And that doesn't take into account some worthy underground records that people here have recommended (Sage Francis' Personal Journals, Aesop Rock's Labour Days), but which didn't make it onto the metacritic rankings (weren't widely reviewed on initial release). While we may not have quite had something as good as say, Public Enemy's It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Beastie Boys' Pauls Boutique or De La Soul's 3 Feet High and Rising, we have had OutKast's Stankonia, Dizzee Rascal's Boy in da Corner, Jay Z's the Blueprint, Kanye West's Late Registration, College Dropout and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, The Roots' Phrenology and Im sure plenty others which I have missed.

ps. "Retards attempting poetry" and "can't spell crap without rap" is not clever.
 

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I tried listening to some.

I downloaded an Insane Clown Posse album.

I got flamed at.

Now im mad.

:D

I mean I had SIX plays on them and some 15 year old Green Day fan came whining about it on Last fm saying how I listen to shit music trying to sound really smart. And two other people also mentioned those plays. Goddamnit I just deleted those six plays.

Anyways I think that rap can be pretty good, I dont really like that gangsta rap or whatever but something with good lyrics and nice beats can be pretty good. I dont really listen to it though but i've been trying like I just said :D so if anyone has any good suggestions im all for it.

But yeah those In Flames / Epica fans saying how rap takes no skill and such are pretty fucking stupid.
 

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lwm3398 said:
Why are you mad about Rhymesayers being the one main defense for rap and hip-hop if they're not mainstream, not polluted, and come very close to Tupac's level of meaningfulness in their lyrics?
I'm not mad, I love Atmosphere personally. What I'm saying is that people take one look at the mainstream rappers and assume that's all the genre has to offer. Even with a globally renowned artist like Tupac as an example of how deep the genre can be, people still can't see past the current popular garbage. I guess what I'm mad about is that people have a 1-week memory when it comes to music.
 

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William Ossiss said:
webby said:
Although regardless of what I listen to, death/nu metal still sucks and is just people screaming and making noise, calling it music is an affront to all that is right in this world.

Don't judge something until you have a firm understanding of it, I have a large hip hop/rap collection and with very few exceptions none involve beating a woman or basically any of what you just said.
you seem to think that nu-metal and death metal are the same thing. in fact, you seem to classify all metal as the same. as for me, ive listened to a lot of rap and hip hop. ive never had a choice when i wasnt the one driving. i also applaud you for becoming a hypocrite. you obviously have no respect for music theory.
I never described them as being the same thing, I said the same stereotypes apply to them.

Also, despite sarcasm being difficult to spot in text I figured the obvious clash of a hypocritical comment right after talking about not being prejudice would have set off the sarcasm meter. It seems I was mistaken in your case. To clear it all up though... that was an intentional joke made at my own expense.

I'm rather curious as to what you class as a lot of hip hop or rap and what exactly you were listening to. To fully explain my theory here so I'm not falsely accused of being a hypocrite, listening to lots of songs from a small section of artists is not listening to lots of hip hop.

How, pray tell, do I have no respect for music theory? Because I made a joke? Good call, and Yahtzee has no respect for game theory either apparently.

SageRuffin said:
William Ossiss said:
SageRuffin said:
Some of us, such as myself, happen to like that "asinine" culture, thank you.
so you LIKE shooting people? initiating violence simply because of a color you wear? or an affiliation with a certain group? gangs were made so that people in the ghetto could survive. not so you could join up and act like an ass hat because some guy pissed you off. then you get your gang to help you. they get THEIR gang to help them. then a lot of innocent people get caught in the cross fire. IE: children.
Wait... are you for real? Please tell me this is a really bad joke...

If not, then you're simply a fool, and you know nothing of hip-hop culture. In fact, I'm quite insulted that you automatically think I - or anyone else for that matter - would carry myself in such a fashion. So, good job looking like an over-generalizing jackass. Mission accomplished. Why don't don't you give yourself a pat on the back for that one.

I would kindly inform you of the error of your ways, but given that you answered in such a fashion with shit that doesn't even lend itself to the culture but the fucking world at large (and really? gangs were around before hip-hop was even invented), and you blatantly disregarded everything else I wrote. I'd simply be wasting my time.

You'll learn soon enough. Let's just hope it happens before it's too late.
OK, after seeing this comment you levelled at Sage it seems you have an incredibly bias, possibly even racist view of hip-hop and its entire culture.

Some rap is about shooting gats and fucking bitches, but not all that much if you actually know where to look. Anal **** has a song where the only lyrics are "You live in a house boat" so does that mean all grindcore is pointless non sequiturs?

To once again use the same analogy I did earlier:
There are sub divisions in musical genres just like in games. Saying you hate all hip hop is like saying you hate all FPSes (including Half Life, Bioshock, etc etc) because you hate Call of Duty. It's a rash over generalisation and your attitude towards it speaks more about you than you think.
 

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I never really listened to Hip hop when I was younger and didn't really like it, now I'm older and more mature and have spent some time looking for some decent artists I quite like it. Some examples...




I also like Trip-Hop but that's a whole different genre.
 

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hotacidbath said:
Unfortunately I don't have the funds to buy the entire collection, but do you have any particular albums to recommend? And my brother lives in Minneapolis so learning that a lot of great artists are based in that area makes me a little mad that he never shared with me. So selfish.
"Lucy Ford: The Atmosphere EP's" so you have the history.
"You Can't imagine how Much Fun We're Having" for the Slug at his lyrical epitome.
"The Family Sign" for the most mature the band's ever gotten.

All of them have their gems. Take a listen on Youtube and take your choice.
 

William Ossiss

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"bad english"(something, I might add, that you're guilty of yourself)[/quote]
and, might i ask, how? im sure you realize that grammar and punctuation isnt really needed as the majority of people online are too stupid to utilize a full keyboard anyway. and at least i spell things correctly, with the occasional slip of the finger.

webby said:
(and really? gangs were around before hip-hop was even invented), and you blatantly disregarded everything else I wrote. I'd simply be wasting my time.
hey, you started it by replying to my initial post with something that went around in circles.

and why, yes! gangs certainly WERE around before hip hop. organized crime gangs. but, of course, i was speaking of street crime. the things that 97% of your rappers either are or once were a part of. and most of your hip hop is the same old shit about the same old crap. or it about complete and utter nonsense.
 

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William Ossiss said:
Psycho-Toaster said:
"bad english"(something, I might add, that you're guilty of yourself)
and, might i ask, how? im sure you realize that grammar and punctuation isnt really needed as the majority of people online are too stupid to utilize a full keyboard anyway. and at least i spell things correctly, with the occasional slip of the finger.

webby said:
(and really? gangs were around before hip-hop was even invented), and you blatantly disregarded everything else I wrote. I'd simply be wasting my time.
hey, you started it by replying to my initial post with something that went around in circles.

and why, yes! gangs certainly WERE around before hip hop. organized crime gangs. but, of course, i was speaking of street crime. the things that 97% of your rappers either are or once were a part of. and most of your hip hop is the same old shit about the same old crap. or it about complete and utter nonsense.
You appear to have quoted my accidentally here. I can see how you made this mistake but if you could kindly rectify it I would be appreciative, I do not speak for others, nor do I like having others words attributed to me.

However, here I do have to agree with whoever you were trying to quote. You're claiming that street crime didn't exist before rap and hip hop? Really? The type of crime may have changed ever so slightly but robberies and dealing of illegal narcotics (the most common street crimes) have been around for centuries. Or do you just mean more specifically things like muggings and drug dealing? Even so, muggings go back centuries too and before it was cocaine/heroine on the streets it was alcohol in a speakeasy. Or because that's white guys in fedoras doing it it's "organised crime" and therefore different? You realise that a lot of the so called "street gangs" you talk about are very organised too right? Or that just because they're not the mafia does not mean that they're not organised crime? Or that the mafia really isn't at all like it's portrayed in the movies and is simply a gang like any other?

As for your claim that most rappers come from street crime, well, way to go captain generalisation. Read through this thread alone and you'll find dozens that aren't. Again, some are, it goes with the territory of where this movement originated. The same thing could've been said about jazz and the blues for a spell.

Of course though, rap is always about the same old shit or utter nonsense apparently. You'd never go from love stories, to someone mourning their father figure, or from religious rhymes to politically motivated speeches in rap would you? That'd be ridiculous right? There is as much diversity in the subject matter of rap as there is in any other musical genre, perhaps more so.

You know absolutely nothing about the subject that you're talking about and that can only lead to embarrassment on your part. Your opinions are borderline bigoted, based on rash generalisations and are provably false. Keep talking though, you're giving me things to chuckle about whilst I deal drugs due to the corruption from this asinine musical ideology.