HomeFront: how familair is America to Non-Americans?

[rutger5000]

Been there for 3 weeks and talked with a lot of natives (not the Indians, you know what I mean)
My general opinion was that the people there are really great, a bit odd, but really great. But the country is screwed up to an unbelievable degree. How it can function as a western civilization is beyond me.
I would also say that I'm fairly familiar with America. I know most of your customs and such.

 

[feebstalicious93]

from what i had heard, europe likes america,and we have a stupid president, the one sport claimed to be made in america was in fact invented by james naismith, a canadian. i know the american version of NBC's "The Office", has 10 times as many episodes as the british version. i know that on most maps of the world, the U.S. is shown to be bigger than brazil, when they are very much the same in size, and i know an american studio made "Uncharted 2" one of the greatest games of all time, and i know that in the newer batman movies, batman is played by a welsh dude. i know that the xbox 360 is only outselling the ps3 because of the sales in america. i also know much more buy my refusing to share it with you is because i can have the pleasure of knowing what you don't. another thing to note is that the t.v. show "24" is an amazing show, but american agent and badass hero Jack Bauer is played by Canadian Keifer Sutherland

 

[ENKC]

Just to deal with any 'Americans R stoopid' comments:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/AverageIQ-Map-World.png

Of course the average IQ of a nation can be seen as a questionable way to rate intelligence, but that's really they only thing that is collected in statistics besides education. Anyway, apparantly China and North Korea are some of that most intelligent nations in the world. And the majority of nations are in the medium, just like America.

(I actually question this map's findings, but it's still an interesting piece to look at)

Not to mention today's xkcd:

http://xkcd.com/850_large/

I have serious difficult believing that Australia is rivalled only by Botswana in having the lowest average IQ in the world. We have the highest living standards anywhere outside Scandinavia for a start.

 

[Kortney]

That would mean that atleast 25 million Americans couldnt point out their own country on the map.

It's probably statistically correct. There would be 25 million babies in the USA, right?

 

[IBlackKiteI]

These games are 'Fuck yeah, America!' based.

To be honest I think it would be more interesting to see a country like Australia invaded. We're tiny and we don't need excuses as to why our defence for couldn't fend off a third-world nation.

The actual premise of that sounds ridiculous, but it could be interesting, maybe even great if given a global view, like how World In Conflict shows the politics of it all and both sides of the story.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

I have serious difficult believing that Australia is rivalled only by Botswana in having the lowest average IQ in the world. We have the highest living standards anywhere outside Scandinavia for a start.

Assuming that is true that actually makes perfect sense.

If you have high living standards then you don't need to think as much, you don't need to do as much to sustain yourself.
Everything is sort of moreso provided for you.
We don't think because we aren't taught to, we don't even need to.
Its hard to explain, and I'm not saying that Third World countries are necessarily smarter or the opposite.

 

[Hader]

That would mean that atleast 25 million Americans couldnt point out their own country on the map.

It's probably statistically correct. There would be 25 million babies in the USA, right?

Touché.


Though pun aside...it is sadly true.

 

[Nostalgia Ripoff]

I don't know what other countries don't know about us, but we sure as hell don't know. Well, at least California doesn't.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

These games are 'Fuck yeah, America!' based.

To be honest I think it would be more interesting to see a country like Australia invaded. We're tiny and we don't need excuses as to why our defence for couldn't fend off a third-world nation.

1+ This. Americans wouldn't buy it though. Hey better yet I would love to play a game were America gets invaded by Russia or Korea or something AND YOU PLAY AS THE INVADING ARMY! Hell yeah! You have the option to hunt down civilians and celebrities and kill them. Now THAT would be different and fun. A foreign studio should make it and if Americans complain then we can call them hypocrites for doing exactly the same thing to the rest of the world. WIN!

The ignorance in this comment is disgusting. In what american game have you been able to hunt down civilians and celebrities in foreign countries?

Not to mention that the big outrage in Modern Warfare 2 was you being able to kill civilians... in Russia. Frankly, if there was a game where you would invade America and kill civilians, it wouldn't just be Americans that would be complaining. IT'd never see release in places like Germany.

 

[KeyMaster45]

(I know American people who hated Shaun of the Dead because they simply couldn't understand some of what they were seeing and hearing, and fair enough, I will admit it is a very 'English' film).

Simon Pegg's films are awesome, regardless of the British inside jokes. My favorite has to be Hot Fuzz, it was like someone took a Wallace and Grommit short and injected it with liquid awesome. (I have to admit though that copious amount of Monty Python and Doctor Who help enjoyment of them)

More on topic: I wouldn't doubt that Homefront will have some references that non-US players will get. (for instance the OP's Carson Daily question, he's some MC from MTV...least I think; he did red carpet stuff at the Golden Globes this past week for NBC) Off the top of my head I can't think of anything other than some celebrities no one's heard about outside of the states.

More than likely the game will rely on typical US stereotypes to make itself more marketable to a foreign audience. With possibly a few nods towards some US specific things.

Oh, while I'm at it someone mentioned something about southern hospitality being about large amounts of cornbread and having a southern drawl because of it. Yeah...southern hospitality, as I learned from my family while growing up in Louisiana, is treating any guest like a member of the family as a means of making them feel welcome. Like any good southern tradition though it does involve large amounts of home cooked meals with large portions.

 

[Jewrean]

Spoiler

Oh yeah, I'm supposed to be offended by some jackoff teen with his masturbatory revenge fantasies, lol. Dream on, kiddo.

I'm complaining about your post because it's borne of ignorance, borderline trollishness, and probably just a bit of spite. And no, actually, I wouldn't approve of any game where civilians were killable, unless it was to make a precise point about the human cost of war (in which case it'd be far more realistic to be set in Iraq or wherever, but if you wanted to set it in America... like in Homefront... sure).

I agree that a game where you play as a Nazi would be interesting. Did you ever see me say that a game where you played as an invading force in America would be bad? Go back and reread my comment, junior, I'll wait. Hmmm, what's that? You don't? Oh, too bad, guess you need to learn to read instead of kneejerk reactions.

If the game was invading america and just fighting soldiers, I'd be fine with it. And hell, you play as the Koreans in multiplayer anyway.

1) Not a teen.
2) It doesn't matter what my post was. I was simply expressing what I would LIKE to play. It's my opinion and I am entitled to it. So quit complaining about it?
3) As for you not complaining about civilians being killed in general, you say one thing and probably do another. Moral High Horse and all that. It shouldn't matter what nationality civilians are if they are killed or not! If Russians are then why not Americans? And yes the game can have a point. Why not.
4) Yeah so I made an assumption. Just like you did about my age. Neither of us are perfect... JUNIOR.[footnote]Moderator Edit: Trolling.[/footnote]

 

[Blind Sight]

I have serious difficult believing that Australia is rivalled only by Botswana in having the lowest average IQ in the world. We have the highest living standards anywhere outside Scandinavia for a start.

Please see my previous post to jigolojoe about how there's a problem with Western countries believing that well-developed countries or nations with better education are somehow 'smarter' then other countries. As I state there, tribesmen in Papua New Guinea have, on average, a higher intelligence then most Westerners. That being said, their standard of living is fairly low. Assuming that development and intelligence go hand-and-hand is a common intellectual fallacy.

Bear in mind that I myself question the validity of this map as well.

 

[ENKC]

I have serious difficult believing that Australia is rivalled only by Botswana in having the lowest average IQ in the world. We have the highest living standards anywhere outside Scandinavia for a start.

Please see my previous post to jigolojoe about how there's a problem with Western countries believing that well-developed countries or nations with better education are somehow 'smarter' then other countries. As I state there, tribesmen in Papua New Guinea have, on average, a higher intelligence then most Westerners. That being said, their standard of living is fairly low. Assuming that development and intelligence go hand-and-hand is a common intellectual fallacy.

Bear in mind that I myself question the validity of this map as well.

Realistically though, intellect is a function of brain development, which is in turn directly contigent upon good nutrition, a stable social environment and early childhood learning opportunities. All of these are substantially more common in developed countries than undeveloped ones.

 

[Blind Sight]

I have serious difficult believing that Australia is rivalled only by Botswana in having the lowest average IQ in the world. We have the highest living standards anywhere outside Scandinavia for a start.

Please see my previous post to jigolojoe about how there's a problem with Western countries believing that well-developed countries or nations with better education are somehow 'smarter' then other countries. As I state there, tribesmen in Papua New Guinea have, on average, a higher intelligence then most Westerners. That being said, their standard of living is fairly low. Assuming that development and intelligence go hand-and-hand is a common intellectual fallacy.

Bear in mind that I myself question the validity of this map as well.

Realistically though, intellect is a function of brain development, which is in turn directly contigent upon good nutrition, a stable social environment and early childhood learning opportunities. All of these are substantially more common in developed countries than undeveloped ones.

Although you do raise several good points, stable social environments can be quite common within developing countries, specifically in small communities (the only issue that negates this is of course war, bigotry, inequality within a social group, etc., which can also occur in developed societies as well). Early childhood learning can also occur, though it often focuses on skills needed to survive rather then any kind of academic learning. Good nutrition is of course questionable in these cases so I'll give you that one haha.

I'm just somewhat tired of the assumption that people within developed countries are somehow more intelligent then those within developing countries. True, there are studies that support this, but there are also studies that negate this, such as Diamond's New Guinea analysis and several papers focusing on the few remaining hunter-gatherer societies present in the world. I think that an overall, international anaylsis of what intellectuals focus on within a society would greatly help us to understand how both the human mind functions in different environments and how intelligence molds itself to fit that environment.

 

[Treblaine]

Haha knew it. Some overly PC nazi would get offended. Firstly, Black Ops allows you to kill Castro (a celebrity, although you kill his double).

Castro... a celebrity?

That is not what people think of when they say celebrity. He's the military leader of a country hostile to the USA, you know the whole "Cold War" thing and working with the Soviets that eventually led to that Cuban Missile Crisis?

... I ain't even mad, I'm just disappointed.

 

[Jewrean]

Haha knew it. Some overly PC nazi would get offended. Firstly, Black Ops allows you to kill Castro (a celebrity, although you kill his double).

Castro... a celebrity?

That is not what people think of when they say celebrity. He's the military leader of a country hostile to the USA, you know the whole "Cold War" thing and working with the Soviets that eventually led to that Cuban Missile Crisis?

... I ain't even mad, I'm just disappointed.

Hey we are both on Probation! A couple of hotheads we are a? Look what were you expecting, I expressed what I wanted! And you expressed you're distaste for what I wanted. I want a game where I can get revenge on arrogant Americans. Yes it is bigoted. Is it really that hard to understand? Get over it. I'm drunk btw.

 

[jigilojoe]

SNIP

Though I thoroughly agree with your thinking, you seem to be taking what I said out of context. The map is based on IQ tests, not intelligence. IQ tests are generally based on Mathematical and Scientific knowledge, whereas actual intelligence takes far more than knowing which element goes where in the periodic table.

Also, I'll admit it, the IQ's of people who had a good education (in some cases go to university) is higher than those who don't

 

[Blind Sight]

SNIP

Though I thoroughly agree with your thinking, you seem to be taking what I said out of context. The map is based on IQ tests, not intelligence. IQ tests are generally based on Mathematical and Scientific knowledge, whereas actual intelligence takes far more than knowing which element goes where in the periodic table.

Also, I'll admit it, the IQ's of people who had a good education (in some cases go to university) is higher than those who don't

I failed to also note that these IQ's come from government mandated sources only, so no business or independent research tests were used, which might explain why China and North Korea's scores are so high...they cheated.

 

[GeorgW]

I think homefront's appeal to non-americans is supposed to be the joy it will give us to see those self righteous basterds to be taken down a step. But we all know that they're gonna win in the end...

I'm quite familiar with america, and would love to see it be destroyed. It would probably have a lot more impact than that one unnamed arabic country they keep bullying.

I don't care about the premise, even though it is the best one for an FPS I've seen yet (they are all just soooo stupid!!). But from the gameplay footage I've seen, and from what I've heard, the team play and support focus sounds like my kind of thing, so depending on reviews, I just might get it. Just great, another damn game I need to get this year >.<