I'm an avid supporter of equal rights and even I can see the humour in this; some people are far too eager to over-politicise issues.
Freedom of Speech is a tricky thing, but a good barometer for whether it's relevant is "Who's doing the censoring?" Because unless it's the government, that's not really a violation of free speech. If the University wants to fire him or whatever, that's really on them, and has nothing to do with actual freedom of speech. Now, if it were the government busting in and arresting the guy for expressing himself in a way they didn't care for, then you have a thistle bush.Vegosiux said:Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. That's all that needs to be said.
Or in other words, people can say whatever they want. Once they've said their piece, they've already exercised said freedom, so whatever comes afterwards has nothing to do with their freedom of speech.
That's actually pretty appalling. You don't have any real freedom of speech there if that's the case. Unless you're just talking about verbal abuse, like calling someone a horrible name and screaming at them. We call that assault 1 here, but it only applies to individuals. Like if that comic were calling some specific person a queer and laughing at them, that would be wrong. But if just holding an idea that someone doesn't like and expressing it in earshot of that person can get you arrested, then, well, frankly, I hope that Great Britain sinks into the sea.FitScotGaymer said:The way it works in the UK is you can say and do whatever the crap you like, as long as you aren't bothering or upsetting anyone else. The moment you do, bam, the law will drop on you like a ton of bricks.
Umm. . . . . . . Is English your fist language? I don't mean to sound insulating, I just can't tell.launchpadmcqwak said:because you are allowed too SAY anything you want, if what you are saying is true than we would be living in an opinion suppressing society. for example if what you are saying is true, back when the taliban were in charge of afganistan, the women there had the right to free speech the whole time?.
Even in USA there are situations where you cannot say anything you want and however you want, and those limitations are in place for a reason. But that's not exactly what I'm talking about.Devoneaux said:People are allowed to say what they want, how they want, wherever they want when using a public means for doing so. So it is on that merit that I disagree with you.
Altorin said:That's actually pretty appalling. You don't have any real freedom of speech there if that's the case. Unless you're just talking about verbal abuse, like calling someone a horrible name and screaming at them. We call that assault 1 here, but it only applies to individuals. Like if that comic were calling some specific person a queer and laughing at them, that would be wrong. But if just holding an idea that someone doesn't like and expressing it in earshot of that person can get you arrested, then, well, frankly, I hope that Great Britain sinks into the sea.FitScotGaymer said:The way it works in the UK is you can say and do whatever the crap you like, as long as you aren't bothering or upsetting anyone else. The moment you do, bam, the law will drop on you like a ton of bricks.
Most people in general don't kill other people. That doesn't make murder an less abhorrent or any more wacky.DeltaEdge said:I understand that due to the lack of context I can't definitively say that this is a satire/parody, but I do think that the father threatening to shoot his son qualifies as outlandish considering that for one, most fathers would never do that, which qualifies it as abnormal,
...except that it wasn't the father who made the joke. He was issuing a horrific threat, and then his young son, who for all we know is too young to understand that there are people perfectly willing to murder other people just because of their sexual orientation, makes a joke because some of the words in the threat reminded him of a snack food he likes.DeltaEdge said:and two, the fact that he said it right to his son's face and was so explicit his thought out plan of shooting him, rolling him up in carpet and throwing him off a bridge, also makes it even more abnormal, as on the off chance they actually would shoot their son, I doubt they would tell them right to their face and then expect everything to be cool between them, unless he is messed up in the head, i.e., abnormal/outlandish.
933.54DeltaEdge said:Also notable, is that they immediately switched from that lethal absurd threat to a silly joke, which kind of makes light of the father's opinion/threat. I don't particularly care for this comic at all, but it doesn't seem like one that reflects a hateful view of homosexuals, but in my opinion, it seems more like they just forgot to add a more definite punchline or something of the sort to solidify it as a joke on how terrible homophobic people are versus an attack on homosexuals. But like I said before, since there's not enough context, I can't really say that this is 100% the case, but I am just giving you my thoughts on the matter so maybe you can understand a bit better why I find this absurd enough to be a satire/parody.
Eccentric Lich said:You are hilariously easy to rile. When did I make fun of your sexuality? That'd be pretty damn hypocritical of me. No, it's not your fault that I didn't read your other post. It IS your fault that you started getting defensive over pretty much nothing and overreacted to the comic. Your reasoning for it being anything but a bad joke is laughable. It's like you've never listened to a comedian or even been on the internet before. I don't feel the need to be polite with you because, quite frankly, I don't have to be and you and people like you rub me the wrong way. Gays are never going to be accepted if people like you keep going around crying about everything being offensive or insensitive. That's just reinforcing the stereotype that we're whiny and girly.
By the way, crying to the mods and getting my post reported just because I used a single insult is pretty pathetic.