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I do believe I used the words "naturally" "conceive". Invetro-fertilization and other similar matters are an entire different barrel of monkeys and personally I have yet to decide on how exactly I feel about them.Shade Jackrabbit said:
Also if God really wants a baby to be conceived, it WILL be conceived. There is nothing mankind with all of our arrogance and science can do about it. (Do not ask me to explain myself here because it is a matter of faith not empirical evidence).
everybody is afraid of somthing. some people are afraid of spiders, some people are afraid of dogs or bats or gays. besides no one ever said that people have to like you.
if people are going around beating gays in the street then that's not on at all and neither are protracted verbal attacks on a persons character, but aside from that, all people have to do is tolerate homosexuals.
if people are going around beating gays in the street then that's not on at all and neither are protracted verbal attacks on a persons character, but aside from that, all people have to do is tolerate homosexuals.
I'm gonna throw out a quick something for you to think about (Great subject for a first post i know)
If everyone in the world was gay/homosexual humanity would come to a complete stop, we would die out, sure we could use artificial processes to create offspring but really.. how long would that last and even if it did we'd dwindle in numbers fast because of how slow the process would become.
Just throwing that one out, have fun slowly killing humanity
If everyone in the world was gay/homosexual humanity would come to a complete stop, we would die out, sure we could use artificial processes to create offspring but really.. how long would that last and even if it did we'd dwindle in numbers fast because of how slow the process would become.
Just throwing that one out, have fun slowly killing humanity
Personally, just by standing and watching those around you, the sheer levels of homophobic behaviour astounds me
from the "insults" when people go "you're gay!" and all that kinda thing, it's stupid.
I am neither gay nor homophobic, but, I am tolerant of everything, apart from blatant ignorance.
I think that most men, guys, teenagers, assume that any gay man wants them as soon as he sees them. Which, unfortunately, is a common stereotype concering homosexuality.
Lesbians and their activities are largely accepted by the community of males because it's what is a major focus in porn- Simple as that I think.
What i've said are all my personal opinions, not fact. So if I have said anything bad then please let me know
from the "insults" when people go "you're gay!" and all that kinda thing, it's stupid.
I am neither gay nor homophobic, but, I am tolerant of everything, apart from blatant ignorance.
I think that most men, guys, teenagers, assume that any gay man wants them as soon as he sees them. Which, unfortunately, is a common stereotype concering homosexuality.
Lesbians and their activities are largely accepted by the community of males because it's what is a major focus in porn- Simple as that I think.
What i've said are all my personal opinions, not fact. So if I have said anything bad then please let me know
Fair enough in most respects, but if science allegedly did make a way to prevent conception (and I use the word allegedly since I am setting this scenario within your personal beliefs), wouldn't the people involved still be sinning though, seeing as how they're attempting to prevent conception completely and believe they are doing so, just so they can engage in these baser, more carnal pleasures?Seekster said:
Also by that logic, couldn't a lesbian couple become pregnant if god willed it?
(I'm not trying to change your beliefs, by the way, I'm just trying to figure out your reasoning. Personally I'm traditionally agnostic but matters of religion are often interesting to me, and I think your responses could offer some helpful insight to the general community.)
It's natural for a mother and father to imagine thier little boy growing up and meeting a girl and starting a family, when a child asks where babies come from the normal response is usually given instead of "When a daddy and daddy love eachother very much they put an add in the paper asking a young woman to carry a baby in them" and this desire to see your child in this "perfect" future may cause parents to possibly not teach to hate the idea but not explain and this causes confusion about the subject they may result in what others call fear
I have very VERY little doubt that the vast majority of guys who may display homophobic actions are simply denying thier own homosexual feelings, most guys can't truly understand how another man can choose a man over an attractive woman and just like seeing something growing off your neck, you feel it's not meant to be there so you wish it removed
I have very VERY little doubt that the vast majority of guys who may display homophobic actions are simply denying thier own homosexual feelings, most guys can't truly understand how another man can choose a man over an attractive woman and just like seeing something growing off your neck, you feel it's not meant to be there so you wish it removed
Most people fear what they do not understand. I have no problems with gay people. I have no problems talking or being friends with gay people. All I ask is, is that they don;t try to cross the line with me. I am not gay myself so as long as they don't cross that line I am okay with them.
A four years ago, I was called a pedophile because I was 17 and I fell in love with a 15 year old. Time keeps passing and people keep calling me a pedophile for the simple fact that I am 22 now, but then it would make the girl I love 19-20. She didn't stay underage and it was not like I just wanted to bang her. I loved her more than anything because she made me happy.
"Normal" society cannot understand most things because they hate something that isn't "Normal" to them.
I cannot say that bad people don't exist and that the fear of some things should disappear, but I think some people need to think before they act.
A four years ago, I was called a pedophile because I was 17 and I fell in love with a 15 year old. Time keeps passing and people keep calling me a pedophile for the simple fact that I am 22 now, but then it would make the girl I love 19-20. She didn't stay underage and it was not like I just wanted to bang her. I loved her more than anything because she made me happy.
"Normal" society cannot understand most things because they hate something that isn't "Normal" to them.
I cannot say that bad people don't exist and that the fear of some things should disappear, but I think some people need to think before they act.
It sounds to me like it doesn't matter what you personally feel about anything. Just ask your God, right? Look it up in your book.Seekster said:
"Hating on" would be inaccurate. The words I used were put off. As in- eyes-rolling, go somewhere else put off.BLOONINJA 503 said:
Again, hate is a little too strong a word. Additionally, I know a few gay people that think the same thing about "queens" (their own word).Biek said:
Well you could also look at it that the person would be sinning by agreeing to have the body altered in a way that would make it impossible to conceive (such as rendering the womb permanently non-functional perhaps). Granted the situation might be different if the individual has a health risk that would require them to have such an operation but that would need to be examined on an individual basis.Shade Jackrabbit said:
I do not consider myself a very good Christian as I really dont care if you are agnostic (I believe you are wrong but my reasons for that belief are based almost entirely on faith so it is a waste of time trying to use faith as the basis of an argument with someone who does not share your faith). I do respect your non-confrontational approach. Too often I find agnostics (such as runtheplacered) who rudely insult anyone with religious faith on this forum so its refreshing to meet someone with the maturity of an adult.
These are pretty much the only homosexuals ANYONE is allowed to hate. Including other homosexuals.Jimmyjames said:
As a bisexual, I also really do not like the flaming queens out of sheer irritation, but it is also the same irritation for really really girly girls, the kind that say "OHMIGOD" half of the time.
Anyways, I understand the fear of homophobia, it's a fear of the unknown and that which is not ordinary. Some people could even have an actual fear or phobia of gay people, they're the real homophobes as it's a real problem, unlike the fundamentalist Christians and gaybashers who are simply full of hatred for anyone who is not them.
Honestly, I am not homophobic at all. Being Bisexual, gays are simply like me except they prefer guys only instead of having sex with a gay or a girl.
I would think religion has a major part of it. Most religions shun gays and say how it is an abomination. Old Testament, dear fucking god, everything was evil! Still, its a basis on faith and all that. The other reason that I read before on this thread was that other males see them as 'unmanly' or 'not macho' that does it. If there is this jock and you seem a bit weaker then him, or that you dont like sports, you are gay and they will avoid you, as hanging with you would make them less macho and then there image is ruined.
I honestly believe religion is the biggest thing that attributes towards the fear and hate of gays. I just remember my parents (somewhat hardcore Catholics) cramming info down my throat, and if they saw a gay, they would bash him. Hell, when my dad heard that I was Bi, he nearly disowned me, seriously. He did not want to hear from me, nor hear my name. Now we are on good terms but still...sorta the religious factor.
Anyway, thats my two cents.
I would think religion has a major part of it. Most religions shun gays and say how it is an abomination. Old Testament, dear fucking god, everything was evil! Still, its a basis on faith and all that. The other reason that I read before on this thread was that other males see them as 'unmanly' or 'not macho' that does it. If there is this jock and you seem a bit weaker then him, or that you dont like sports, you are gay and they will avoid you, as hanging with you would make them less macho and then there image is ruined.
I honestly believe religion is the biggest thing that attributes towards the fear and hate of gays. I just remember my parents (somewhat hardcore Catholics) cramming info down my throat, and if they saw a gay, they would bash him. Hell, when my dad heard that I was Bi, he nearly disowned me, seriously. He did not want to hear from me, nor hear my name. Now we are on good terms but still...sorta the religious factor.
Anyway, thats my two cents.
AIDS
Now before you start lambasting me, hear me out.
The whole AIDS scare way back when highlighted the fact that a lot of homosexuals have AIDS (or at least there is a higher rate among them). This made people associate homosexuals with crazy indistructable killer virus that spreads through some unknown reason (I know they figured out how AIDS is transmitted). This gave more attention to the homosexual community as well as the thought that homosexual == AIDS, regardless of what the actuall cause was.
So you have a bunch of people that know that people who use drugs have the same disease as those who are homosexual. This creates negative association and allows people to point to homosexuallity and say that it is corrupting the children. This spawns the crazyness you see today, except that homosexuallity dosen't have the research behind it that drug use does, so there is uncertanty about what makes you homosexual and if you can "catch" it and whatnot. The popularity of "gay" and "fag" as popular insults only continue to prevent others from actually looking at homosexuallity instead of just labling it as wrong and leaving it as that.
It's too bad nobody will read this since it's stuck about a hundred posts into the thread.
Now before you start lambasting me, hear me out.
The whole AIDS scare way back when highlighted the fact that a lot of homosexuals have AIDS (or at least there is a higher rate among them). This made people associate homosexuals with crazy indistructable killer virus that spreads through some unknown reason (I know they figured out how AIDS is transmitted). This gave more attention to the homosexual community as well as the thought that homosexual == AIDS, regardless of what the actuall cause was.
So you have a bunch of people that know that people who use drugs have the same disease as those who are homosexual. This creates negative association and allows people to point to homosexuallity and say that it is corrupting the children. This spawns the crazyness you see today, except that homosexuallity dosen't have the research behind it that drug use does, so there is uncertanty about what makes you homosexual and if you can "catch" it and whatnot. The popularity of "gay" and "fag" as popular insults only continue to prevent others from actually looking at homosexuallity instead of just labling it as wrong and leaving it as that.
It's too bad nobody will read this since it's stuck about a hundred posts into the thread.
Some people are afraid of being homosexual themselves, and that's why they are so homophobic.
It's the same thing with bullies. Bullies are really really insecure, and they bully others so they won't be bullied themselves.
People fear it because it's different.
It's the same thing with bullies. Bullies are really really insecure, and they bully others so they won't be bullied themselves.
People fear it because it's different.
Alright, fair enough. I can't say I agree with you, but again that's really more matters of personal belief and faith. I don't really see a problem with anyone trying to cement their feelings how they choose, and personally I don't really think it's anyones business (human, deity, demi-god, or god) to interfere. That being said, I understand where you're coming from, and respect that it's part of your faith. I think I can safely say we shall agree to disagree on this point. Lovely hearing your side of the argument though.Seekster said:
Interesting idea, but Homophobia has been going on for much longer than we've had AIDS. However I do agree that the Association with AIDS and dirty needles hasn't helped. hadn't considered that angle before. Gave me pause for thought there.randommaster said: