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Dalamard

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homophobia is not like the case with most phobias, where a person has a disorder that drives a person to fear a specific item or circumstances,
It rather seems to be a xenophobic urge set forth by modern society, as a standard over society's ever groin race to the "concept of normal".

The irony of the "concept of normal" is that it set a standard that witch is not common is a disorder.

These disorders are a common thing among the whole of the population, seeing how 2?13% of the total population is homosexual, 64% of Americans are overweight.

and if you take every genetic, physical, and mental disorder there is i think you have covered mostly 99,98% of the total population of the earth in one or a another minority.
 

Aschenkatza

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A Phobia is a IRRATIONAL fear, and that's true for some people.
The deepest fear anyone can ever have is the Fear of the Unknown. We don't know everything about Homosexuality and many people don't know anything at all concerning it. They fear it because they don't know. Not knowing also bring about anger and thus extreme homophobes will be violent toward homosexuals.
 

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Dkozza said:
Why is it that people suffer from homophobia? As part of the gay community I've had to deal with the usual verbal/physical assault based around the person/s being homophobic. I've always wondered what exactly it is that causes people to react the way they do around/with gays/bisexuals/etc..

And generally speaking, men tend to be more homophobic than women; why is that? And why doe people in general see lesbians as okay but male gays as freaks of nature? The first thing that comes to mind would probably be the whole 'lesbian acts being a turn-on' thing. But it still doesn't make much sense.

As a warning, if you are homophobic and you aren't going to contribute to this thread positively, don't contribute at all. We don't need flaming going on here.
I'm sorry, but when you said "we don't need flaming going on here", my first reaction was to make a bad joke. But, on to the real question:

Human society functions both as a cause and as a result of the creation of "out" groups. People need to feel like they're part of a group, and usually they need to feel like their group is actually superior to "others". Once we've dispelled the acceptance of other groupings, a grouping based on sexuality is all that's left. It's not really different from the ostratization that some virgins experience in high school.

On the question of why lesbians are more accepted than homosexual men, it doesn't make sense from an evolutionary perspective. The more males are homosexual in a society, the less competition there is for females. The more lesbians there are, the fewer women are available, and hence the more competition there is. The only explanation I have is that heterosexual males have no attraction toward gay guys, while heterosexual women do experience some sexual attraction toward other women.

Before you jump up and down on me, please look it up. It's called sexual plasticity. Heterosexual women display genital response to both male and female erotic stimuli. Homosexual men, and women, and heterosexual men, only display genital response to the appropriate erotic stimuli.

The acceptance, I would wager, comes from the fact that straight men like seeing women, and don't like seeing penises (except their own).

I have no problem with homosexuality of any persuasion (I've had both gay and lesbian friends), but only in the same way I have no problem with any fetish (not that I compare homosexuality to a fetish, just that it's the closest analogy): if I don't have to interact with it. I don't mean I'd have a problem seeing two gay men holding hands, but if ones sexuality is supposed to be "private", let it be truly private.
 

Goldeneye1989

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this is a subject that i really take a lazy approach to, same with religion and policics and racism really....

Who cares.

by that i mean, if someone is gay, i dont care, good for you, your sexuality has no effect on me whatso ever, go get marrid, go adopt kids or whatever you want to do, it has no effect on me what so ever
Same with black/red/yellow/green/blue/(insert colour here) it has no effect whatso ever, just dont try and annoy me
Religion, if you want to beleive in a Zombie who will save your sins (See: christanity), or a larger plane droping souls into a volcano (see: Bulls.... i mean Scientology)or that there is a giant pasta rolling around (see: Pastafanarism (?))

why do people care about things that dont realter to them in any ways ... just confused me :p
 

Lukirre

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Because it's in human nature to be xenophobic, and children are raised by society to believe they should love the opposite sex regardless of circumstances.

More importantly, why do we always discriminate against people who are homophobic? Since when are phobias a choice? I think we have blatantly mislabelled people who choose to hate homosexuals based off their own personal views, and people who just are fearful of what impacts homosexuality could have on society.

It's very taxing to see the same old "Stop Racism!", "Stop Sexism!", and "Stop Homophobia!" advertisements everywhere. To be honest, why can't we all just grow some thicker skin and stop demanding that people change what may very well be their core beliefs in order to accomodate an unorthodox lifestyle?

Then again, I'm a heterosexual white male, so what do I know?

Edit: Regarding the whole "people do not lash out at their irrational fears" thing, every fear comes with a different set of circumstance. In this case, it -is- possible to lash out and possibly put an end to what it is you fear. Obviously you can't lash out at large heights.

Also, I'm one of those people who doesn't really give a toss if someone is heterosexual or homosexual, so in my eyes it's just hypocritical to go around saying "You have no right to be against homosexuality!" while blatantly attacking that persons' views.
 

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Lukirre said:
It's very taxing to see the same old "Stop Racism!", "Stop Sexism!", and "Stop Homophobia!" advertisements everywhere. To be honest, why can't we all just grow some thicker skin and stop demanding that people change what may very well be their core beliefs in order to accomodate an unorthodox lifestyle?
No. The onus is not on people to deal with assholes shitting on them, the onus is on assholes to stop shitting on everyone else.

We should not be proud of having a thick skin where hate and bigotry are concerned, and should allow sociopathy to flourish and then expectthe world to be a better place.
 

Lukirre

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cuddly_tomato said:
Lukirre said:
It's very taxing to see the same old "Stop Racism!", "Stop Sexism!", and "Stop Homophobia!" advertisements everywhere. To be honest, why can't we all just grow some thicker skin and stop demanding that people change what may very well be their core beliefs in order to accomodate an unorthodox lifestyle?
No. The onus is not on people to deal with assholes shitting on them, the onus is on assholes to stop shitting on everyone else.

We should not be proud of having a thick skin where hate and bigotry are concerned, and should allow sociopathy to flourish and then expectthe world to be a better place.
You're taking what I said the the extreme.

I didn't say "Grow thicker skin and just ignore all the hatred in the world."

I'm saying that we should learn to hold our heads higher under prejudice and not have to cry discrimination whenever someone dislikes our lifestyle. Obviously we something has to be done, but it's becoming more taxing on society as a whole to continuously bombard the individuals with anti-hate campaigns.
 

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Someone's probably already said this, but I've always loved how god knows how many homophobes'll be bitching about gays one moment, then jacking off to some lesbian porn the next. Inconsistant twits. Honestly, I couldn't care less where you stick your doodaa when you're in bed, If you're nice, I like you.

My brother went into a gay bar naked once because someone dared him to. Relevant.
 

Echo3Delta

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Why the word "homophobia"? I can't stand that word, because it assumes that everyone who has a problem with homosexuals must be afraid of them. That's unfair and limits the discussion. You don't call racists negrophobes, so why do homosexuals get to claim that the only reason people might have a problem with them is out of some "irrational fear"? Ah well. Commence with the charges that I'm covering up my own gayness and projecting my sexual identity frustration...
 

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I guess the homophobes fear what they do not understand
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On a completely unrelated note, I saw Milk for the first time tonight and it made me cry (and can a state be homophobiac? because Utah is for not putting this movie in theaters)
 

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Being gay is natural. If you agree that feelings and attraction is natural, then being gay is natural.

When people say it's not natural, they're talking about the sex. How much more proof do we need about how sex obsessed people are, than when we imagine two people together we only think about them having sex? *rolls eyes* What about their relationships? The love and adoration of each other in the very same way straight couples can feel?

What right does anyone have to judge others on following their own feelings and emotions in ways that do not effect anyone else in negative ways? I hate all the pathetic arguments people give to why homosexuality is wrong.

I won't address them all because I could write multiple essays on the subject. But the main point is that people stick their noses into other peoples business where they dont belong. FACT: Homosexuals existing does not effect any the haters, at all, in any negative way. So keep your nose out of their private matters and stop preaching your hate; because there is just no need for it.

Thats something i'll never understand. How is something bad if it can have no effects on anyone other than people who are a part of it? Leave them alone!!

Homo'phobia' is BS. If you are a true homophobe (scared of gay people) then you have some ISSUES. I can understand being scared of spiders. I can even accept being scared of socks, or something bizarre like that. But being literally SCARED of another person because they have relationships with the same sex??? You're a freak. Get help. What a hillarious situation I can imagine in my head between a homophobe and a gay guy:

"I'm a homophobe."
"Oh.. Well, i'm actually gay."
"You're.... Gay?!... AAARHHGGHH!!!!!" *runs away in terror*

Others who class themselves are Homophobes are actually just gay haters who want a nicer name for it.

Gay hate is something I get pretty riled up about. I just can't understand how people can put others down like that over a private life that has nothing to do with them. :/
 

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Dkozza said:
Beefcakes said:
I would naturally assume it stems from one or both of two things:

Religion: As sex is seen only for spreading your seed and furthering the human population, a gay couple would be seen as waisting your god given right/duty to further the human race. People frown upon this, and somehow think that hating them will make them turn straight.
(Note: This is not all religions, but there are a fair few like this)

Biological: Its part of the human genetic structure to have sex with the opposite gender to further create and multiply. If people aren't doing what is considered as 'normal' (genetically speaking of course), then the get scared and don't know how to react, which usually leads to frustration and so forth. This may be under dispute, as seen by the 'Nature vs. Nurture' thread floating around.

I myself am not a homophobic, this is just the reason I believe some people are homophobic.
In theory, should we all not be scared of people who use any kind of contraception?
Or for that matter, any couple who cannot reproduce?

Lukirre said:
Because it's in human nature to be xenophobic, and children are raised by society to believe they should love the opposite sex regardless of circumstances.

More importantly, why do we always discriminate against people who are homophobic? Since when are phobias a choice? I think we have blatantly mislabelled people who choose to hate homosexuals based off their own personal views, and people who just are fearful of what impacts homosexuality could have on society.

It's very taxing to see the same old "Stop Racism!", "Stop Sexism!", and "Stop Homophobia!" advertisements everywhere. To be honest, why can't we all just grow some thicker skin and stop demanding that people change what may very well be their core beliefs in order to accomodate an unorthodox lifestyle?

Then again, I'm a heterosexual white male, so what do I know?

Edit: Regarding the whole "people do not lash out at their irrational fears" thing, every fear comes with a different set of circumstance. In this case, it -is- possible to lash out and possibly put an end to what it is you fear. Obviously you can't lash out at large heights.

Also, I'm one of those people who doesn't really give a toss if someone is heterosexual or homosexual, so in my eyes it's just hypocritical to go around saying "You have no right to be against homosexuality!" while blatantly attacking that persons' views.
Phobias are not a choice but they can be overcome. I don't mind people who are scared of gays. It just means they haven't been around them very much and I can't say I blame them. But hating them is not as excusable.

But no, it is not right that the gay community can simply ignore the hate towards them. It leads to discrimination and unnecessary violence and even death. It's like saying racism shouldn't have been fought either, but just let minorities grow thick skin. Women don't have equal rights and their image is exploited and the media convinces young girls they must look a certain way and act a certain way in order to be normal? Well, they better just deal with that, right?
 

Yokomitsu

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I see no problem with them, just let them live there lives while you live yours, they dont affect your quality of life in anyway.
 

TerribleTerryTate

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When it comes down to it, a lot of Homophobia comes from: Lack of knowledge, and Immaturity.
As a Heterosexual, with a dozen or so Homosexual friends - I honestly couldn't care less.
We're both human, we're both compassionate, and other than who we find attractive, there are little to no differences between us, other than personality traits which everyone differs in.

The immaturity element comes from school. To a certain extent it's very apparent in gaming too. How many people have you heard use the word 'gay' to describe something as bad or odd? I know I've heard it - many, many times. However, it's something that has socially happened.
Young kids as young as twelve use it, and I'm not even sure they actually know what being 'gay' actually means. It stays with them though, until their teenage years, and into their twenties. As soon as they meet a Homosexual, suddenly there's fear and uncomfortable feelings. Like they've just met a mythical creature. All this negativity towards a word, when they finally meet someone who is just that - they don't know how to react.
Unfortunately when people are backed into a corner, or in an awkward position, many lash out - and that's where the hostility, and aggression comes from.

These people are generally the same people who say truly stupid things like: 'Get that queer away from me, he might try raping me.' Seriously? Are you really so arrogant you assume you are irresistable to Homosexuals? I might find a woman attractive, but it doesn't mean I'm going to jump on her. Women may find a guy attractive, are they going to jump him? Probably not. There are exceptions to the rule, but that's mankind for you.

As others have said, many of those that are terribly hostile towards the gay community, may have repressed feelings themselves. To distance themselves from such people, may make them feel more comfortable, as they are terrifed of 'coming out' and what consequences that may have on them. It's a shame that people feel this way. They aren't helping the problem though, they're actually making it worse. Hatred spews hatred. The problem gets worse, meaning that when this individual does 'come out' the consequences they face could, possibly be more severe than before.

I've heard the argument many times, that being Homosexual isn't 'natural.'
Fair enough, two men can not conceive a child. However, I'd put it to all of you who think that way: How many unnatural things do we as humans do?
How many of those that think this way, jump into a plane and fly? Is flying natural?
Jumping into a car to travel of speeds up to around 120 MPH, is that natural?
Is contraception natural?
I really could go on, but you get my point - we live in an evolving world, little of what we do now 50 years ago was natural. Would a black president have been elected 50 years ago? I highly doubt it.

As a society instead of shunning or putting up barriers between Heterosexuals and Homosexuals, there needs to be discussion. Get people to understand those they may fear. Once the fear is gone - so should the hatred/abuse.
 

LooK iTz Jinjo

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I have a few gay friends and something they all have in common is that all of their best friends are female... But I think if you actually look, most homophobic's are middle-aged to older men. They've been brought up with this mentality that to be a man you need to play football (which ever code that applies to you) and fuck women. I'm not gay (and i also play football - Australian Rules :p) but thats an outdated stereotype, which many fathers still seem 2 pass on to their sons. Get over it, whatever problem you have with homosexuals, keep it to yourself because everyone else is willing to accept them.
 

jymkata

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Here's a thing that pisses me off.
My 17 year old friend talks loudly about doing his 13 year old girlfriend, and no-one bats an eyelid.
I came out three days ago, and my friends avoided me, apart from the pedophile, who told everyone, and i got a black eye and a broken wrist for my troubles.
Or this; Republican Rick Santorum compared homosexuality to bestiality and incest.

I leave you with something someone said to me on the subject of homophobia
'Homophobics are no better than the Gays.'
Then I tell him I'm gay
Then he turns bright red