Homosexuality

[zerofan]

I'm saying that respect needs to be mutual. Just because homosexuals deserve more respect doesn't mean heterosexuals deserve less. You judging me as some sort of hetero elitist is just as bad as me assuming somebody's a bad person because they're a homosexual.

Bravo old chap.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

Well actually it's because the second something becomes "legal" proprieters, let's say Priests or Ministers suddenly HAVE to do it, or they can lose their jobs. There's already cases in the UK of Christian registrars being fired/disciplined because they refuse to personally conduct a same sex marriage.

I'm not talking about the simple process of making it legal, I'm talking about the "ceremony". After all, marriages aren't made legal IN the church, there's still paperwork and such that needs to be done.

I'm fine with the churches themselves refusing to perform gay marriages. And if a law requires them to, I'd be against that law. (I apparently respect religions more than they respect me!). But in the case of that Christian registrar, he's not operating in a religious capacity, but a legal one. If his religion prevents him from doing his job, he's in the wrong job. If he insists on staying in the job, then I do think he's obligated to handle gay marriages.

 

[rebus_forever]

Unless they live in a swamp or is in denial, no one in modern society has anything against homosexuals, or very few anyway. Gay-jokes still get tossed around like snowballs in winter, and I think people should stop that and indeed any jokes based on soemthing that a person CANNOT change themselves. If it's cause a person smells funny, why not? They can fix that. They can't, however, fix their curly hair or love for hairy bums.

Me? I'm mostly attracted to women, but since I'm dating a guy that means I'm bi-sexual then =3.

u sound pretty cool but i would say that the people who passed me most of my gay jokes were queens, they would call each other names when there was an opportunity for instance, " you complete pussy fag u cant even open that jar"- at first i found this challenging but then it kinda settled on me that maybe humans can through comedy if all are consensual, work through some of the prejudices that have been laid at our own feet, i get goth jokes off my friends and gay jokes despite the fact i have been with my gf for 9 years, but tbf these jokes from friends or other people probably to help them feel more comfortable, i think its what we do when there are barriers of race or style of sexuality, comedy is a leveller. i have an irish friend for instance and i am british, potato famine jokes are rife along with remarks about tea and crumpets and empires, when were all level and no one means any harm then i think jokes can be a good thing for providing a common ground, there are always more similarities between humans than differences, the differences are an amalgamation of choice and cosmetics or superficial, ie skin colour.

WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE SAME SPECIES our collective differences are less important to me than our similarities.
right im off to bash some queers then fuck them in the asshole types are beyond me however.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

I'm not so sure about that. It seems more likely that there are a few homophobes but they're just reluctant to post about it here. Anyone who came to this thread and said "Yeah, I just hate gays," would probably have half the community lining up to castigate them, and possibly some mod wrath as well.

This.

This thread is kind of flawed in that since there's such a strong bias against homophobia on this site, no-one who opposes homosexuality is going to say anything for fear of persecution.

I know for a fact there are Escapists who see it as wrong, but they keep in the closet about it (so to speak) every time this matter comes up.

Indeedy, tbh this isn't he 1st time I have saw a topic like this either.

 

[DanielDeFig]

I'm Heterosexual (straight, if u will) and i have no problem with Homosexual people. Love is between two personalities, regardless of the physical bodies they find themselves in.

But i do think that ppl have to be able to admit that there is something biologically "wrong" (Incorrect? Faulty? Glitch?) with homosexual people, animals (including humans) have evolved to be able to reproduce with he efforts between a male and a female, thus they are supposed to be attracted to each other.

But homosexuality in itself isn't harming anybody. Homosexual rapists and pedophiles should be judged by the law individually, just like heterosexual rapists and pedophiles. We've reached a point in civilization where the blind, the deaf, and the paralyzed are given an opportunity to survive and live in society, equally to those without biological defaults. I was born with a severe heart problem, and after several surgeries at a very young age i'm now healthy. Still different (reduced stamina, mostly), but i'm healthy enough to survive in normal society.

Should i be stoned to death due to my biological difference from the rest of MOST ppl? It's the exact same basis given for hate towards homosexuals. Though i guess heart problems are not as easily tied with the taboo subjects of sex, love, marriage, and sexuality as Homosexuality is (which i think is the only root reason for the hate and fear towards Homosexuals).

 

[RocksW]

I dont know any gay people, but ive no problem with it. Different lifestyle to mine is all

 

[Jonabob87]

Well actually it's because the second something becomes "legal" proprieters, let's say Priests or Ministers suddenly HAVE to do it, or they can lose their jobs. There's already cases in the UK of Christian registrars being fired/disciplined because they refuse to personally conduct a same sex marriage.

I'm not talking about the simple process of making it legal, I'm talking about the "ceremony". After all, marriages aren't made legal IN the church, there's still paperwork and such that needs to be done.

I'm fine with the churches themselves refusing to perform gay marriages. And if a law requires them to, I'd be against that law. (I apparently respect religions more than they respect me!). But in the case of that Christian registrar, he's not operating in a religious capacity, but a legal one. If his religion prevents him from doing his job, he's in the wrong job. If he insists on staying in the job, then I do think he's obligated to handle gay marriages.

I see your point on the registrar, but I do disagree. I agree that they're probably in the wrong job, however the simple solution is having another employee perform that specific ceremony as opposed to disciplining someone on the basis of their beliefs.

It's actually pretty jarring speaking to intelligent gay people, all the ones I've met in person (except the girl I mentioned) have been complete stereotypes and/or brainless idiots. One time my friends girlfriend invited her gay pal to the pub and he sat there feeling up our other friend other the table...needless to say we popped out for a cigar OFTEN to get the poor bastard out of the room.

Gay people are almost as badly represented as the church it seems...

 

[The_Graff]

meh.

i never understood why it was an issue.
if two guys want to ram into each other then, hey, it's not like its my problem.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

I don't agree with gay adoption though,

Agreed. Im not as homophobic as i used to be, i guess i outgrew that sort of thing. I do avoid gay guys in real life though. sorry if that offends, but i aint gonna lie. On the internet i will talk to anyone if they seem cool, its hard to be in your face over the the internet though i guess.

I guess its that i only knew two gay guys and they were really in your face and stereotypical and really annoyed me. i guess its unfair to pigeon hole all homosexuals because of them but thats how it is.

If you make it a point to avoid gay people, I'm pretty sure you've haven't outgrown your homophobia. Also what basis do you have that a gay person would be any worse of parent than a straight person? Because I've seen some straight people who are absolutely horrible parents.

I support the civil partnership and marriage of homosexuals but Im against children adoption.

Why?

I'm not speaking for Dana22, but biologialy, only a Male and Female can reproduce, two Females and two Males cannot reproduce together (this is, they were born Male and Female) so it's deemed un-natural I guess?.

Then prehaps we have the child asking "Why don't I have a Mummy and Daddy" (of different sex)

I've never actually seen a same sex couple raise a child etc. but I would much rather a same sex couple raise a child in a loving, caring, safe enviroment than the biological sperm doner and carrier abuse the child, show it no love and affection and neglect it.

This applies to everyone who has a problem with homosexual people adopting kids. Your sexuality has absolutely no bearing on your ability as a parent. Nor will it affect the childs sexuality. "Why don't I have a Mummy and Daddy,": Oh no, a child asking a question. They surely couldn't talk to the child and explain it, no that would require effort. Also being gay is completely natural. It happens in nature all of the time. How can something that occurs in nature be unnatural?

 

[Treefingers]

Put your willy wherever you like.

That said, i get a bit uneasy when they start demanding children.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

Oh hi, I'd just like to point out that you are wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

Sure let's trust wikipedia, a site that you could edit over the original Greek. Also, I pointed out that the definition supported by wikipedia is the one I said that society uses. I said it was a wrong translation therefore the wrong definition. You assume that everything must be as society dictates. I assume that words have inherent meanings that should not be ignored.

Here's a short answer;
No, you are wrong.

Here is the longer answer;
You just don't want to be labeled as a homophobe so you attempt to twist the words away from their meanings.

I think you assume a lot of **** too, but if you wish to assume that about me then I'll not stop you.

Oh Zeithri... So eloquent, so concise.

Can't really say it much better. Society decided that the term "Homophobia" had a definition, they decreed that definition, so why wouldn't we use it.

Firemark, Let's take the word "Deos" which is greek for rule/duty. Lets say I made a word WAY BACK WHEN called "Deon" and said that a Deon was... say... a homophobe. Would you tell me I'm wrong? Would you tell me that others using my word are wrong because they base themselves upon my standards?

 

[Miffmoff]

Some of my closest friends are bisexual, your sexuality doesn't stop you from being a good person and who you are is more important than what you are.

I get really pissed off when people discriminate against them or any gay people, its like they treat them as second class citizens.

I enjoy the company of gay people more than straight people actually, they're really nice and I don't feel like they're gonna stab me in the back like some other people.

 

[Dana22]

I support the civil partnership and marriage of homosexuals but Im against children adoption.

Why's that, may I ask? (This isn't trying to be rude by the way, I am genuinely interested)

On Topic: I myself am Bisexual. I prefer women (I can say I find it better with women, as I have spent... *Ahem* Time with both Women and other Men), but I'll bat for both teams; naturally, I shall have no problems with Homosexuals.

Because I prefer traditional model of family, with male and female parent. Simple as that.

 

[Jonabob87]

Put your willy wherever you like.

That said, i get a bit uneasy when they start demanding children.

That's probably the funniest thing I've read all day. Tears streaming down my cheeks...

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

It's actually pretty jarring speaking to intelligent gay people, all the ones I've met in person (except the girl I mentioned) have been complete stereotypes and/or brainless idiots. One time my friends girlfriend invited her gay pal to the pub and he sat there feeling up our other friend other the table...needless to say we popped out for a cigar OFTEN to get the poor bastard out of the room.

Gay people are almost as badly represented as the church it seems...

The simple reason for this is that gay people are labeled while straight people aren't. This applies to any other "label" you can think of, as well (race, etc.). If someone acts inappropriately, and they can be labeled, then the poor behavior is often (wrongly, of course) attributed to their label. If an otherwise "normal" straight person acts inappropriately, there's no label to chalk it up to, so it's largely dismissed as the act of just one person, rather than reflecting poorly on an entire "label".

And of course there's a difference between gay people and "the church". One is an institution that people forget is made up of individuals, the other is a group of individuals that people forget aren't an institution. But of course it goes beyond that. Of course it goes beyond just that, but I'm done with my holy war for right now.

 

[WaderiAAA]

While the roots of any modern Pride (at least in Western countries) still lie in the realm of being against homophobia and helping homosexuals, almost anyone who ever goes to one knows its just an excuse to have a big old fabulous time. A better parallel would be "we need Gay Pride about as much as we need Glastonbury Festival" - as in not at all, but its damn fun to have it anyway.

Granted the marches are straying into the "you'll take part whether you want to or not," but personally if people want to make fools of themselves marching down the street in assless chaps then I'm happy to let them.

You make a good point. I'm not against the parades being held. I'm just a bit bothered that it's called "gay pride" and thus seems to imply that this is the culture of LBGT people. I think it would be better if, and correct me if this isn't already the way it is, there was gay pride week. They could honour the LBGT people that had success, hand out some awards, and then end it with a big bang with the parade.

There is one in Norway with awards for most gay-friendly hetero, one for biggest homophobic and one for "gay with pride" (usually given to gays that are in high possitions and that are open about their sexuality). usually the ones awarded best homophobic don't show up to the ceremony... weird.

 

[Caligulove]

Also, something I just thought of is that I definitely think that the current and upcoming generations, across the world, will probably be the best to dispel all of this hatred and anti-gay sentiment out there, since this is a generation that really is growing up with not-necessarily an overtly pro-gay stance on this, but one that is growing up with more of a personal experience with their gay friends and more of a perspective of how common and natural this is, rather than something that's wrong or unholy.

The fervently anti-gay, evil agenda stance seems to be one that is definitely more prevalent in the older generations that grew up in a different culture where this certainly was more of a bad thing that most people didn't even understand, and was heavily suppressed as a result

 

[the-kitchen-slayer]

I have absolutely no problem with who your interested in, what your interested in, etc. Why? My dad's homosexual, my mom's mormon, and I have personally cheered on a homosexual couple (male, i may add) at an anime convention. Hell, if there was a circle of people around two guys (or girls) kissing in public, cheering them on, i'd sure as hell join in.

 

[Gralian]

Alright...

*Deep breath*

Here we go. I will try to explain it as best i can. Please note this is not me or my stance on homosexuality. This is my attempt to explain the fear, hatred or disapproval towards homosexuality as a whole:

Homosexuality is what could be regarded as the 'third gender'. Before you fly off the handle, consider this; despite being in an open minded society that has since long moved past the 1950's image of happy families, we still have gender divided 'likes' and 'dislikes'. For example, (children) boys will play with toy cars and girls will play with barbie dolls. Men will like sport and mechanics, women will like soap opera and romcom movies. Do you see what i mean? Very generally speaking, we have things classed as 'masculine' and things classed as 'feminine'. Men go to a football match for 'male bonding' or what have you and women go out to a restaurant with their girlfriends. Then along comes a homosexual. For this example, let's say the person in question is a homosexual man. The straight man begins to think "the homosexual can't like what i like, because what i like is defined in as 'masculine' and 'heterosexual!'" so in defence, the homosexual man is thought to like traditionally more feminine things like rainbows and shopping and all the other typical stereotypical gay pride imagery. But, because the gay man is a man and not a woman, yet has feminine characterists and interests, he is a 'third gender'. If there is a gay man who doesn't fit that stereotype, the straight man feels threatened. The gay man likes the straight man's activities? Now what he does and is considered 'heterosexual' is now also considered 'homosexual'. He is identifying with the gay man, and he feels threatened. This results in feeling uncomfortable and a hostile response. They want to be seen as and feel masculine, of which being a homosexual strips you of, because for a man, being 'the *****' is the ultimate humiliation and fear. This probably harkens right back to the whole 'ME TARZAN YOU JANE' primal thing which is still going on even now by the way, just look at social cliques in high school. I remember reading an idea on the 'third gender' from a homosexual man's perspective in Captain Correli's Mandolin. I wish i could remember it and quote it for you. But that's my theory on why homosexuality is still an issue anyway. Until we get over what is socially defined as "masculine", what is defined as "feminine", and what is defined as "????" for homosexuality (as a whole, not just what it is defined as for gay men and what is defined as for lesbian women) then there will continue to be divisions in society.

Am i comfortable with homosexuality? To be honest, my view is slightly jaded. As well as being raised by incredibly homophobic and xenophobic parents (with very sexist and traditionalist views on society by the way), the gay people i met or knew of when i was in school were incredibly obnoxious. At least two gay males were the spitting image of the loud, flamboyant, bitchy irritating and generally foul and untrue image of homosexuals as a whole. I resented them for the fact they were so 'IN YOUR FACE' about everything (think bitchy preppy American girl) and i couldn't help but associate that with the fact that it was simply because they were gay.

However, intellectually i do not have any issues with homosexuals. I know they are human just like you or me. I know they're not trying to turn the world gay, i know they don't run around humping anyone and everyone of the same sex, and i know the whole 'gay people are more promiscuous than straight people' thing is a load of crap. As long as no-one rubs it in my face (this goes for absolutely anything. Homosexuality, heterosexuality, religion, anything.) then i will not look at them as a 'gay person'. I will look at them as a person. End of discussion.

Edit: Interestingly i have seen bisexuals get a lot of flak from both the hetero and homosexual community. The reason? "They are just indecisive."
That really pisses me off. Indecisive? How about they just like both, or don't really care what's between the legs? What is this, allegiance to an army? Sexual orientation is not like a religion, you don't need to 'pick a side and go with it'.

 

[Jonabob87]

Well the reason there's a gya stereotype is because just how many people fit in to it. It's impossible to deny that people make their homosexuality their #1 personality trait.