CpT_x_Killsteal said:
Evil Smurf said:
Easy, people in favour of social justice, want people to be treated equally, fairly and not discriminated against. If other people can resist the urge to discriminate, be racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise shitty, we can all get along.
What's hard about that?
Unfortunately, some people get different definitions of what is discrimination, racism, sexism, homophobia etc.
I mean, equal rights I can agree with, same wage for workers, and equal workers rights etc. But then you get the few loud idiots who say something ridiculous and scream that everyone's a fascist for disagreeing with them.
And then there's the "news" pieces about the next Creed being misogynistic, and Far Cry being racist.
I think we could all get along just fine as long as a few psychotic agitators were just ignored.
This. It sounds easy to go "Let's just stop being discriminatory and get along!" and blame our collective inability to do so on those who refuse to let go of their bigotry, but it's not that simple. Few can really agree on what "discriminatory" means, so it can be hard to stop being such. It's a general trend I've noticed that social justice types fight with themselves as much as they do with anyone else, and that right there highlights the problem - what exactly
is fair? I've met other women who think things such as cat-calling or the word "*****" is offensive and misogynistic, but I don't agree. Rude, maybe, but not inherently sexist. I've seen Asian people argue over whether or not it's offensive for a white person to wear a kimono, or if it's only offensive when they do it with the intent of mocking Japanese culture. And that's where the problem really comes in - people who argue for diversity aren't a hive mind, they don't all agree with each other. To someone on the outside, they just seem hypocritical and contradictory, with one "warrior" telling them something's offensive, another telling them it isn't, yet another saying it's only offensive in certain contexts, and all that someone hears is people yelling at them without really telling them how they can do right. So they get bitter and frustrated and start decrying social justice and it spirals into this mess where everyone hates each other.
So, two things that can be done here, one for each side - the warriors need to learn that what they find offensive is, ultimately, an opinion, and they ought to stop stating it as though it's fact. This does not mean that the opinion doesn't matter and shouldn't be considered, only that the group that's supposedly offended by this might have members who disagree, and that their opinions should be taken into account also. The discrimination that's often talked about nowadays is a very subjective thing, and should not be argued as though it's an infallible, objective fact.
Similarly, gamers need to learn that warriors aren't a hive mind, that just because they seem contradictory doesn't mean they are, and getting frustrated at this amorphous, all-encompassing entity of SJWs just furthers the hostility of the debate. The one person who told you that Ride to Hell was sexist is not the same person as the nutjob who complained that Dragon Age hates women because there's a female bar maid in Denerim.
EDIT: Judging from some of the responses posted since I started writing this, both sides should learn about something called "The Horseshoe Effect," and that many of their arguments are identical if you just switch the subject around. So, a purging of the hypocrisy on both sides would be great.
