How can "gamers" and "social justice warriors" get along?

[Worgen]

By having the SJW's be gone forever?

I'm completely serious here. They aren't making anything better, they're a fucking plague at the moment.

What in the world are you talking about?

SJW's stir shit up over things ranging from trivial to absolutely nothing. Their overreactions serve to bait other overreactions, lowering the general level of discourse.

Anyone who describes them-self as a "Warrior" and then claims they intend to make things peaceful needs to have taken a hole lot of the cognitive dissonance pill.

They don't do anything positive, they only widen existing cultural barriers by highlighting them non-constructively.

You may now proceed to call me a racist and a bigot.

What the hell are you talking about?

I described perfectly what i was talking about.

Take the Dragon's Crown incident. What came of that? Nothing, unless you count a whole lot of shit-flinging. Some entitled belly-achers decided a characters breasts were larger than their arbitrary acceptable limit, and decided to start a campaign to paint the developers as sexist and that it was representative of the larger gaming communities issues with gender and that anyone who would play it was equally as sexist.

What did their zeal get them? Equal zeal in return from people who didn't care for their inaccurate, sweeping generalizations, or who wished to protect the company's creative freedom.

Oh who, am I kidding, you'll just respond with blanket denial again, here, I'll do it for you.

Ahem.

I don't get what your trying to tell me, and I also likely need aid dressing myself!

So you're trying to be a social justice warrior by speaking out against other social justice warriors that do things you don't agree with?

Nope, I'm not advocating social justice, I'm advocating they shut it until they can speak like adults. You too.

A for effort, though.

Sounds to me like your trying to apply your own version of social justice to certain situations. You seek social justice for the developers who seek to have giant boobs in their games, who shall defend their rights to have massive boobs aside from those who seek the social justice to draw boobs.

That's not social justice, you imbecile. That's freedom of expression. Words have meanings, use them, or perhaps learn to read first, that might be a good start.

My previous statement stands, until you can speak like an adult, let the adults talk. You remind me of a 5-year-old whose just learned to play "I know you are, but what am I?"

Stop it, you're doing yourself no favors.

So, how is your "freedom of expression" different from their "social justice?" Because it doesn't sound particularly different.

Social justice involves restricting freedom of expression. It is different because it is diametrically opposed to my position.

I think what you mean when you say "Social Justice" is "Having an opinion". And I suppose you'd be correct, we are similar in that we both posses an opinion. Just that I prefer to choose my opinions rationally.

Sounds to me like you're trying to do the exact same thing you accuse them of doing.

 

[144_v1legacy]

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I haven't actually seen anyone try to discuss anything with me, just throw parroted statements back at me in a childish way. If you would, you can look that I was the only one to actually bring up an example and start analyzing it.
If you'd like to discuss something, feel free, otherwise you are free to sit there feeling smug and accomplishing as little as you accuse me of.

The truth here is that multiple people in this thread think that you're behaving rudely. Perhaps you should cut your losses and sit this one out, and review your forum etiquette?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It feels like a month ago the term "social justice warrior" didn't even exist. Now, apparently, they are everywhere. Like Furbies in 1999. I'm guessing this is the latest permutation of the femi-nazi/white knight/do-gooder here to steal all the tits and explosions from our popular entertainment, and perhaps our penises in the bargain? Terrifying.

 

[144_v1legacy]

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I haven't actually seen anyone try to discuss anything with me, just throw parroted statements back at me in a childish way. If you would, you can look that I was the only one to actually bring up an example and start analyzing it.
If you'd like to discuss something, feel free, otherwise you are free to sit there feeling smug and accomplishing as little as you accuse me of.

The truth here is that multiple people in this thread think that you're behaving rudely. Perhaps you should cut your losses and sit this one out, and review your forum etiquette?

Oh look at that, an invitation for discussion turned down. I'm refusing to discuss eh?

That's right. I don't want to discuss this thread's topic with you, because a) experience shows you've been rude with it and b) Worgen has pretty much made all the points I would have anyway. And more eloquently. Good for him.

 

[Amir Kondori]

I really believe that most of the "social justice" stuff you read on gaming websites is more about generating traffic then encouraging honest debate and consideration. In the end it is a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing, and ends up having no impact on the industry.

 

[Cecilo]

The only problem I have with SJWs is that apparently I am the worst thing on the earth because I am comfortable with being a masculine white male (Part of Patriarchy, White Privilege), of average build (Thin privilege). Wanna know the benefits of a being a while straight male? More likely to commit suicide, more likely to be placed in prison, that prison sentence will be on average longer. I can see why you want some of this privilege, perks are so good.

 

[Vault101]

The only problem I have with SJWs is that apparently I am the worst thing on the earth because I am comfortable with being a masculine white male (Part of Patriarchy, White Privilege), of average build (Thin privilege). Wanna know the benefits of a being a while straight male? More likely to commit suicide, more likely to be placed in prison, that prison sentence will be on average longer. I can see why you want some of this privilege, perks are so good.

see your not supsoed to interperet it that way

and the fact that so many do somtimes indicates something of a self centered world view (SOMETIMES)

 

[Dragonbums]

By having the SJW's be gone forever?

I'm completely serious here. They aren't making anything better, they're a fucking plague at the moment.

What in the world are you talking about?

SJW's stir shit up over things ranging from trivial to absolutely nothing. Their overreactions serve to bait other overreactions, lowering the general level of discourse.

Anyone who describes them-self as a "Warrior" and then claims they intend to make things peaceful needs to have taken a hole lot of the cognitive dissonance pill.

They don't do anything positive, they only widen existing cultural barriers by highlighting them non-constructively.

You may now proceed to call me a racist and a bigot.

The same can be said for any group. Especially the gaming community.

 

[144_v1legacy]

The only problem I have with SJWs is that apparently I am the worst thing on the earth because I am comfortable with being a masculine white male (Part of Patriarchy, White Privilege), of average build (Thin privilege). Wanna know the benefits of a being a while straight male? More likely to commit suicide, more likely to be placed in prison, that prison sentence will be on average longer. I can see why you want some of this privilege, perks are so good.

ummm... how exactly are those statistics being calculated?

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

How can SJW's get along with Gamers? The same way witch hunters get along with the young accused women. They need to stop believing in "witches" and call off the hunt. They are the ones on they offensive, only they can stop the conflict.

 

[Dragonlayer]

I think Ubisoft is full of crap then I'll damn well say Ubisoft is full of crap, or that Metro 2033 treats women terribly, or the Watch dogs treats women almost as bad

Eh? How did Metro 2033 treat women terribly? I've heard the arguments for Last Light being sexist, ranging from well-founded - "The only female character with any agency buggers off for most of the game, only reappearing for a stilted and awkward love-scene." - to less well-founded - "This game has strippers in it and that's sexist!" - but never anything about the first game.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

What I dislike about SJW is well...you know that feeling you get when you were younger and you we're about to clean up your room, without being told, and then your mom then tells you how much of a slob you were for not cleaning up your room, and then you feel this urge just not to do it anymore?

It's starting to make me question games and tvshows when several months ago I would have no problem with. I like Korra, Ms. Marvel, and my Hawke in Dragon Age was female since I felt that matched best.Now I'm thinking did they make that character a woman because that is what they wanted to make? Or did they want me to fill some quota? Did they make this main character black because that's the vision they had, or did they want to avoid "backlash"? ( And I'm speaking as a black male)

Another thing that irked me was how people were turning Frozen into an allegory for gay acceptance, feminism, etc. I don't really like having the stuff I like being used as the spearhead for agendas or movements ( even if I agree with what they stand for). Makes me feel...used? It would be like someone used Frieza's transformation as an allegory for transgendered acceptance It's just...no, don't take stuff I like to spearhead your agenda, even if I support equality between the races and sexes.

I do and encourage diversity in mediums...but when it feels like people are just changing things just so people don't get offended and face backlash, like they HAVE TO do it, or else they are racist, sexist, misogynistic ableist, etc. it bothers me.

So like all things, hopefully this offended culture fades off into obscurity within the year.