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Source needed. Every post I saw on this was reacting to the suggestion, not putting forward the suggestion. As far as I can tell, the idea came from the filmmakers themselves.
If the source was from the filmmakers (which would beg many questions) no one has made that claim. I've only seen some glorified blogs ask the question "why not?" and the thing spread form there. If there is another source to it all, no one has made mention of it.

Again, source needed. Because the only hard numbers I've found on other content accused of "pandering" was Inquisition, by which point just short of 50% of its players were female, a significant rise from past BioWare games.
Let's ignore the fact that the sales for Inquisition killed the IP and instead focus on the other flops that pandered to these people, most obviously Ghostbusters but others such as When We Rise are easy enough to find.

Okay, what? I don't know what boards you've been on, but from experience, fans who consume the media they're...well, fans of, are the most demanding of developers. The ME3 debacle, with the absurd "take back Mass Effect" movement is one of the most well known examples of fan entitlement, but it's not the only one. And that's not to say that fans shouldn't be listened to at all, but your premise rests on the idea that the most vocal of individuals towards a piece of media are the ones that are never involved in said media.

And, look, there would be cases where that isn't true, such as the call to boycott The Force Awakens because it had a female protagonist, but these movements are usually on the fringe, and have rarely had any observable impact.
Andromeda works as a good example, given it likely flopped and definitely didn't did not reach expectations (EA would advertise the hell out of it if it had). Here in Quebec in my circle of friends I have 5 people who used to be fans of the series, one of whom even works at BioWare Montreal. None of them where interested in the game, all of them got good laughs at the memes and videos at its expense, and amongst the French Canadians my own age at work I associate with there wasn't even an awareness at the game's release. I had to bridge the cultural barrier just to inform them it even existed, and the original Mass Effect trilogy sold very well amongst French Canadian gamers.

Then there's the comic industry, where Marvel Comics almost had a moment of self awareness when one of their head editors stated that the recent diversity in the comics has significantly harmed sales. His reasoning was flawed because he was blaming diversity for the problem of change for its own sake that was aimed at social justice types who don't buy these comics and had writing so bad most fan fiction is better, but he almost understood the problem.

This type of pandering, doing so to a demographic that on the rare case that they actually do show up at all don't make up for the number's lost from former fans, that kills industries.
I know this is hyperbole, but the whole "no-one is going to remember x" argument always comes up when people show that they do remember it. Avatar is the most common example I can think of.

And personally I remember Ghostbusters 2016 far more than the controversy. The controversy was one of those moments when the Internet decided to collectively shit itself, the movie itself was actually pretty decent. Similarly forgotten was SQWs trying to claim that the film was anti-men.
Having watched the movie, I can't say I remember even half of the plot given how boring the whole thing was. I actually wish it had been as offensively bad as it was just straight up bad. A major multinational corporation spurging out though, that I'll be telling my kids about.

Citation needed.

I've seen this claim come up that diversity somehow killed Marvel Comics. I've likewise seen the counter-claim that it was due to poor business practices (e.g. a large amount of crossovers). In the scope of personal experience, what initially killed comics for me were that prices were ranging from $10-15 ASD for a comic that once cost about $5 ASD, so I couldn't justify getting them at that price. Not when it's much cheaper and easier to get them online or, in some cases, hardcovers (since I like having physical books when possible. I can't think of a single comic series I've consumed directly that's suffered from the perceived slights you mentioned. If anything, comics seem to be in a better place than they were previously, because it's much easier to get access to them.
The simple answer as to why Marvel's comic division is dying is in fact bad business practices, but one of the biggest ones is the fact that the comics are less interested in telling a good story then they are hamfistedly pushing political opinions that a good half of the readership doesn't agree with and the other half doesn't want to read stories about.

It's made worst by the fact the writing staff are all of the same political opinions and many make no secret of the fact they don't want people who don't agree with their (often radical) opinions to not buy their product. Long gone are the days where Marvel Comics was about escapism to a world filled with colourful superheroes dealing with realistic problems, instead replaced by a horribly lazy art style and bad writing being used to tell a story where the characters are all caricatures and the plot is to make you vote the right way.

Citation badly needed
GamerGate and Andromeda's sale figures are a good start.

News to me
Television viewership is going down and while there's many factors to it the fact that there's so little that's actually good on is a major factor.

As previously noted When We Rise was a complete flop. The mini series television event came in 4th place out of the 4 networks on every single night it aired. If I was an ABC executive who wasn't involved I'd be furious given how such an event mini series without opposition from other event programming should have trouble justifying coming in 2nd.
 

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You know Power Rangers have always... nevermind. I can't get into explaining Power Rangers.
Has always been what? Batshit insane? Diverse? Routinely makes up shit as it goes? If you're going to go through the trouble of writing something like this non-committal crap, at least give me more than "I give up". C'mon, if you wanna argue, then fucking argue.

For instance:

My whole position is that if they're going to use the names of the characters, then they should keep as much of the original feel as they can, and that includes not slapping boobs on Tommy. I think I'd even be fine with the new Billy being gay in...honor - I suppose that's the best word for it - of the original Billy actor(even though reading up on him a bit, he's apparently more than a bit of a dick) instead of Trini.

Like, there's alot of things they could do with the Power Rangers, because the basic theme of the shows is that teamwork and trust will get you through any- and every-thing. The characters didn't need to be the same as the original show to do that, but if you're going to change one of them, I'd hope you'd do more than a lazy reskin.

It's the same reason I dislike Andromeda, too many of the characters feel like copies(BUT "BETTER") from the original games for me to seriously consider them as individuals.

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Nah, he was a major antagonist during his stint as the Green Ranger, basically the most iconic during the early parts of the shows, both PR itself and the Tokusatsu it takes the fight footage from. I think they spent like half a season on him kicking the shit out of the rest of the team both in and out of the suits essentially. I don't think he was ever "good" as the Green Ranger, but it's been like fifteen years since I watched it.
He became part of the team after a 5 episode run where he was the antagonist. I meant after that, whether he took on the de facto leadership role, or whether it remained with Jason.
Oh, after that, yeah, Zordon made him a new suit and Zord after the Green coin broke and he stopped being evil, and he effectively became the leader. Think Jason left the show not that long after too. Was it really only 5 episodes? I could've sworn it was nearly a season.
 

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Zontar said:
Let's ignore the fact that the sales for Inquisition killed the IP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Inquisition#Sales

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56031/bioware-teases-new-dragon-age-game/index.html

Yep, truly dead.

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and instead focus on the other flops that pandered to these people, most obviously Ghostbusters
How did Ghostbusters pander to anyone?

And don't say "a female cast," the gender of the protagonists is brought up twice, both by the villain, and both as a form of taunting.

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but others such as When We Rise are easy enough to find.
I'd need sales figures for When We Rise, and I'm not sure how you can quantify it, given that here at least, it was on free to air TV. And critically, it did quite well.

Again, I'm not sure how WER is pandering when it's documenting LGBT rights, with said rights still being an issue. I suppose a documentary on the Civil Rights movement would be "pandering" to blacks.

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Andromeda works as a good example, given it likely flopped and definitely didn't did not reach expectations (EA would advertise the hell out of it if it had).
So, Andromeda's mixed commercial and critical reception is somehow evidence of pandering?

And don't bring up the facial animations, they've already been confirmed to have been outsourced and subjected to cost-cutting.

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Then there's the comic industry, where Marvel Comics almost had a moment of self awareness when one of their head editors stated that the recent diversity in the comics has significantly harmed sales. His reasoning was flawed because he was blaming diversity for the problem of change for its own sake that was aimed at social justice types who don't buy these comics and had writing so bad most fan fiction is better, but he almost understood the problem.
Let's treat this as being true. Okay, fine, so Marvel Comics are bad because of pandering. Your claim was "it's already killed comics," but you've only used Marvel as an example. Now, I'm no comics conissuer, but as far as I can tell, Marvel, while a big player, isn't the be all and end all of the industry. And likewise, I've only seen this accusation thrown at their superhero line, not their Star Wars comics for instance.

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GamerGate and Andromeda's sale figures are a good start.
The former is your usual Internet shitstorm, turned into a shit cyclone, and subsequently the butt of jokes years later. The latter is one game. ONE. The games industry isn't reliant on one game doing poorly (even if it is doing poorly, as sales figures aren't readily available).

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Television viewership is going down and while there's many factors to it the fact that there's so little that's actually good on is a major factor.
Which is a matter of opinion.

Most of my TV watching nowadays is by streaming or by borrowing DVDs from the libraries that I work at, so I usually lag a few years behind, but if anything, TV's much better than it was a few decades ago, especially since serialization is the norm rather than the exception. So, maybe something happened in the last 2-3 years, but I haven't noticed any particular downward spiral. And in the TV I do occassionally watch on the TV itself, I don't have much problem finding decent entertainment.

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As previously noted When We Rise was a complete flop. The mini series television event came in 4th place out of the 4 networks on every single night it aired. If I was an ABC executive who wasn't involved I'd be furious given how such an event mini series without opposition from other event programming should have trouble justifying coming in 2nd.
I'm very wary of your criteria for flopping at this point, but again, let's take that as being true. You still haven't explained how it's an example of pandering, unless the very subject of addressing LGBT rights is pandering, and given how those rights still lag behind (e.g. we still don't have gay marriage in Australia - damn Kiwis, beat us again...), it doesn't seem like pandering to me.

Having come to the end of this quote, I've noticed something - you like to make giant, sweeping claims, and then use single examples as evidence. SJWs ruined comics industry, only use Marvel as an example. SJWs ruined games, only use Andromeda as an example. SJWs ruined TV, use When We Rise as an example. You need more examples than that if you want to make sweeping generlizations.
 

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Let's ignore the fact that the sales for Inquisition killed the IP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Inquisition#Sales

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56031/bioware-teases-new-dragon-age-game/index.html

Yep, truly dead.[/quote]Odd how the only sales figures are from the UK and not the main market for the IP.
How did Ghostbusters pander to anyone?

And don't say "a female cast," the gender of the protagonists is brought up twice, both by the villain, and both as a form of taunting.
It was created with the idea of it being a for-women reboot of the ghostbusters with the marketing being very much antagonistic towards the original fanbase. While one could argue it wasn't pandering to anyone specifically, it certainly was trying to push out the in built audience.

I'd need sales figures for When We Rise, and I'm not sure how you can quantify it, given that here at least, it was on free to air TV. And critically, it did quite well.

Again, I'm not sure how WER is pandering when it's documenting LGBT rights, with said rights still being an issue. I suppose a documentary on the Civil Rights movement would be "pandering" to blacks.
It wasn't a documentary, it was a dramatisation. Those are not the same thing. And its sales figures are measured by eyeballs for ads. 1000 viewers will net about 900 dollars US on the major networks for an hour of programming (cable is higher since it's targeted marketing). With episodes getting only just over 2 million views that's 1.8 million dollars per episode, which the mini series most definitively cost more then that to make.

So, Andromeda's mixed commercial and critical reception is somehow evidence of pandering?

No, the changes such as retconning the Asari as having trans individuals in their species (a mono-gendered species that doesn't even have words for male equivalent terms and titles) that actively turns off fans and only is seen as a positive by the gender activist types is indeed pandering given how small that group is compared to gaming culture.

Let's treat this as being true. Okay, fine, so Marvel Comics are bad because of pandering. Your claim was "it's already killed comics," but you've only used Marvel as an example. Now, I'm no comics conissuer, but as far as I can tell, Marvel, while a big player, isn't the be all and end all of the industry. And likewise, I've only seen this accusation thrown at their superhero line, not their Star Wars comics for instance.
DC may be dominating the charts, but their attempt at trying this pandering is one they have yet to recover from. The two have been harmed (with one actively dying right now) because of it, and there isn't enough market share from third party publishers to make them worth noting, especially now that Dark Horse no longer has Star Wars' titles.

DC may recover, but they'll be lucky to keep their current sales given the wider downturn of the comic industry.

The former is your usual Internet shitstorm, turned into a shit cyclone, and subsequently the butt of jokes years later. The latter is one game. ONE. The games industry isn't reliant on one game doing poorly (even if it is doing poorly, as sales figures aren't readily available).
I said it was a start. A start that saw one of the biggest internet news outlets go under and may see a major gaming developer close its primary studio.

Which is a matter of opinion.
I have no doubt that if the content of cable networks was worth watching people would do so through traditional means. I know I would given I've got a very basic package for the few channels up here that are worth watching.

I'm very wary of your criteria for flopping at this point, but again, let's take that as being true. You still haven't explained how it's an example of pandering, unless the very subject of addressing LGBT rights is pandering, and given how those rights still lag behind (e.g. we still don't have gay marriage in Australia - damn Kiwis, beat us again...), it doesn't seem like pandering to me.

Having come to the end of this quote, I've noticed something - you like to make giant, sweeping claims, and then use single examples as evidence. SJWs ruined comics industry, only use Marvel as an example. SJWs ruined games, only use Andromeda as an example. SJWs ruined TV, use When We Rise as an example. You need more examples than that if you want to make sweeping generlizations.
I'm going to ignore that When We Rise was something even many in the LGBT community didn't like due to how it portrayed the community and point out that my metric for a flop is if it makes less money then it cost to make.

The comic industry is basically just Marvel and DC. Both used to openly pander to the social justice types but DC put a stop to that and has been dominating the charts ever since (though sales are still overall down since people are leaving the market and new people are not entering it). Games is one that has been discussed to death so much over the past few years I'm honestly not interested in playing that broken record again. Television is easy to see with all the crap that's currently on it. Be it ABC with any of its new comedies, CBS with the production nightmare that is Star Trek Discovery, Fox with its dramas and the shit it tries on FX, trying to pick a few to use as examples is like looking through Netflix to try and figure out what to watch on a rainy night: the choice is overwhelming. Or at least that's the case up here, I hear you lot have more options but less quality then us.
 

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Well the movie wasn't terribly lore friendly to begin with and took away a few fundamentals I think the series needs so I don't give a squirt of piss if they do make Tommy a girl. In fact I hope they do it to give the usual suspects something to inch themselves closer to their ulcers or heart attacks with.

As for those of you still dragging out the corpse of that (legitimately shit) Ghostbusters reboot, if you'd kept your fucking traps shut then you could have just watched it fall flat on its fucking face on its own lack of merit without contributing to the internet's currently full quota of shitheaded behaviour. That goes for you too, Sony: keep your fucking director's away from Twitter and just do as the old guard did and turn a blind eye to heroin abuse to keep them chilled out.
 

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Considering that, as far as I know, the Green/White Ranger in the US Power Rangers never had to solve a problem with his dick, I don't have a problem with Tomi or Tammy or whoever being the Green/White Ranger.

I mean, they've already changed the characters around so that the Black guy isn't the Black Ranger so what the hell, why not?
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The comic industry is basically just Marvel and DC. Both used to openly pander to the social justice types but DC put a stop to that and has been dominating the charts ever since (though sales are still overall down since people are leaving the market and new people are not entering it).
Yeah, that couldn't have anything to do with Marvel's continuing "this cross-over event is going to change the foundation of the marvel world, just like the last three" shenanigans combined with DC jettisoning the New 52 and relaunching everything again. "Dominating the charts ever since" means "dominated for three months in 2016". Awful short timeframe for "ever since". And Marvel kept increasing it's market share lead.

So, so much for that theory.
 

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The comic industry is basically just Marvel and DC. Both used to openly pander to the social justice types but DC put a stop to that and has been dominating the charts ever since (though sales are still overall down since people are leaving the market and new people are not entering it). Games is one that has been discussed to death so much over the past few years I'm honestly not interested in playing that broken record again. Television is easy to see with all the crap that's currently on it. Be it ABC with any of its new comedies, CBS with the production nightmare that is Star Trek Discovery, Fox with its dramas and the shit it tries on FX, trying to pick a few to use as examples is like looking through Netflix to try and figure out what to watch on a rainy night: the choice is overwhelming. Or at least that's the case up here, I hear you lot have more options but less quality then us.
Image, don't forget Image they aren't Marvel or DC sure but they are a respected comic company.
 

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I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
 

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Saelune said:
I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
It was the 90's. They probably thought they were being clever.
 

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Saelune said:
I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
Could have been 5 white guys.

And they changed that with the first Ranger swap.
 

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That's not to sale I'm against a female ranger who takes on the leadership mantle* (which technically has occurred, even though it's never been the red ranger** outside Lauren from Samurai, and even she was only a temporary leader), but at this point, I don't think you can change it.
There is also Time Force. The Pink Ranger was pretty much the leader outside of the Red Ranger's position in any fighting lineup. Mainly because Jen knew what she was doing most of the time, while Wesley was catching up on a thousand years of crime and mutant fighting technology available to him in an oversized wristwatch for the first two thirds of the series.
 

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bjj hero said:
Saelune said:
I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
Could have been 5 white guys.

And they changed that with the first Ranger swap.
Never saw anything past the first series. I was getting an bit old for it by then.
 

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bjj hero said:
Saelune said:
bjj hero said:
Saelune said:
I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
Could have been 5 white guys.

And they changed that with the first Ranger swap.
Never saw anything past the first series. I was getting an bit old for it by then.
I watched way more than I thought I did. I stopped during Turbo, which I -thought- was the "second series" but nope.
 

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Zontar said:
No, the changes such as retconning the Asari as having trans individuals in their species (a mono-gendered species that doesn't even have words for male equivalent terms and titles) that actively turns off fans and only is seen as a positive by the gender activist types is indeed pandering given how small that group is compared to gaming culture.
I can think of one example of them doing just that.

Matriarch Aethyta refers to herself as Liara's father, even correcting Shepard who tells her that on Earth both women would be referred to as the mother.

So Andromeda isn't the first of the series to have Asari refer to themselves with male terms.
 

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Zontar said:
Odd how the only sales figures are from the UK and not the main market for the IP.
"According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold."

The section deals with the UK, the total figures are global.

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It was created with the idea of it being a for-women reboot of the ghostbusters with the marketing being very much antagonistic towards the original fanbase.
Source needed.

Key word is "marketing." Fieg certainly had a (mostly justified) go at the fanbase, but that doesn't come under marketing.

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While one could argue it wasn't pandering to anyone specifically, it certainly was trying to push out the in built audience.
Okay, assuming that's true, again, how? If the Ghostbusters in-built audience is being "pushed out" because you don't like an all-female cast, what does that say about the in-built audience?

And before you rush to conclusions, I'm not accusing the fanbase at large of sexism, I just don't see how the reboot is guilty of what you're accusing them of. You could just as easily say that 'Extreme Ghostbusters' was "pushing out" the regular audience due to switching to a new team.

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It wasn't a documentary, it was a dramatisation. Those are not the same thing. And its sales figures are measured by eyeballs for ads. 1000 viewers will net about 900 dollars US on the major networks for an hour of programming (cable is higher since it's targeted marketing). With episodes getting only just over 2 million views that's 1.8 million dollars per episode, which the mini series most definitively cost more then that to make.
Okay, fair enough, I stand corrected, it was a dramatization that didn't recoup its budget. Again, how is this pandering?

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No, the changes such as retconning the Asari as having trans individuals in their species (a mono-gendered species that doesn't even have words for male equivalent terms and titles) that actively turns off fans and only is seen as a positive by the gender activist types is indeed pandering given how small that group is compared to gaming culture.
Votemarvel's pointed out the pre-existing use of male terms, so there is that. Taking your claim as writ, though, that would mean that this kind of "pandering" is the cause for Andromeda's poor sales reception. That has far more disturbing implications for the fanbase than it does the developers in my eyes, the idea that only a small story element is the be all and end all of a game, or any other piece of media.

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DC may be dominating the charts, but their attempt at trying this pandering is one they have yet to recover from. The two have been harmed (with one actively dying right now) because of it, and there isn't enough market share from third party publishers to make them worth noting, especially now that Dark Horse no longer has Star Wars' titles.

DC may recover, but they'll be lucky to keep their current sales given the wider downturn of the comic industry.
Okay, when did DC "pander" to anyone? Last I heard the New 52 had a poor reception because it was yet another reboot. This is the first I've heard of any pandering.

Also:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/01/12/marvels-overship-helped-dominate-december-2016-marketshare-comics-sales-rose-1-across-2016/

It's not disputing that DC and Marvel are the big boys, but as of December 2016, those other percentages are worth noting. Also, this does seem to be the US comics industry in isolation.

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I said it was a start. A start that saw one of the biggest internet news outlets go under and may see a major gaming developer close its primary studio.
Which developer? BioWare? I think EA has more to do with that than anything, since "BioWare" is a brand rather than a single studio now.

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I have no doubt that if the content of cable networks was worth watching people would do so through traditional means. I know I would given I've got a very basic package for the few channels up here that are worth watching.
It's not a question of worth, it's a question of viewing habits. Are people watching less TV because it's bad, or because alternatives exist?

Surveys have shown that by generation, the younger you are, the less TV you watch per week, on average. It's reasonable to assume that the younger you are, the more likely you are to use streaming services as well. To cite a personal example, when the last season of Doctor Who aired, I watched it all on the ABC's site, rather than catching the live broadcast. I liked the season, but I preferred to watch it on my own time rather than being shackled to air dates. That's not an inditement of quality, it's an expression of the fact that streaming services give freedom of choice as to when to watch material.

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The comic industry is basically just Marvel and DC. Both used to openly pander to the social justice types but DC put a stop to that and has been dominating the charts ever since (though sales are still overall down since people are leaving the market and new people are not entering it).
According to the link I left, Marvel still has the greatest market share.

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Games is one that has been discussed to death so much over the past few years I'm honestly not interested in playing that broken record again. Television is easy to see with all the crap that's currently on it. Be it ABC with any of its new comedies, CBS with the production nightmare that is Star Trek Discovery, Fox with its dramas and the shit it tries on FX, trying to pick a few to use as examples is like looking through Netflix to try and figure out what to watch on a rainy night: the choice is overwhelming. Or at least that's the case up here, I hear you lot have more options but less quality then us.
I can't really comment on any of this, you'd need to cite specific examples. You mention Discovery's production issues, which have been documented, but that's about it. I can't really comment on Netflix either, as the streaming I've done is either on YouTube, ABC, or SBS. Plus, DVDs, which tend to lag behind a few years, but overall, I can't really complain about the quality. Even the most average TV series I've watched tend to be better than material of the past.

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Saelune said:
I care about respecting source material. And Power Rangers was always "Yay, Diversity!".
Putting the African American ranger in black and the Asian ranger in yellow strikes me as a parody of diversity.
It was the 90's. They probably thought they were being clever.
It was actually a mistake. Or, rather, they didn't realize the potential subtext until they were a few episodes in.

Still, I don't think there's anything racist about it. It's funny, but it's not active racism or even passive - the subject of race is never brought up.
 

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Zontar said:
No, the changes such as retconning the Asari as having trans individuals in their species (a mono-gendered species that doesn't even have words for male equivalent terms and titles) that actively turns off fans and only is seen as a positive by the gender activist types is indeed pandering given how small that group is compared to gaming culture.
I can think of one example of them doing just that.

Matriarch Aethyta refers to herself as Liara's father, even correcting Shepard who tells her that on Earth both women would be referred to as the mother.

So Andromeda isn't the first of the series to have Asari refer to themselves with male terms.
I havent been following Andromeda, but what is this referring to? Asari have no biological males. They use the term father because it is the English equivalent to the parent who doesnt birth the child. I dont think that any Asari that calls themselves a father considered themselves transgendered.

And the first time an Asari "father" is mentioned is the frst game, since Liara has both parents being Asari when talking about how Asari mate and breed.
 

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I've been a Power Rangers fan since Day one and don't see the problem. This is a reboot continuity. And these characters are absolutely nothing like the originals anyway. Changing the Race or Gender matters far less than the changes that they already made to the lore.
 

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Redryhno said:
Parasondox said:
You know Power Rangers have always... nevermind. I can't get into explaining Power Rangers.
Has always been what? Batshit insane? Diverse? Routinely makes up shit as it goes? If you're going to go through the trouble of writing something like this non-committal crap, at least give me more than "I give up". C'mon, if you wanna argue, then fucking argue.
Argue? Nah. Not with that aggression.