How could they screw this up??? Favorite game series that just went to hell.

[ThePurpleStuff]

I have to say.. the Spyro series, the first three spyro games were amazing, the one on PS2, Enter the Dragonfly I think it was called, can't remember its been too long. That one was good too. But, the most recent games.. just suck ass and have no hint of goodness from the past games. Poor PS1 Spyro voiced by Tom Kenny, how I miss you.

 

[Abedeus]

Well they could be and I have had very good ones. Fair enough if you had a bad experience but my point still holds that Heroes killed the social side of the game. If don't want to do it with people you should have the Heroes as back up but you shouldn't have to rely on them if you want people. Also I don't see why it is bad people play in Guild groups it is kinda the point of the game. As I have said countless times it was the end for GW as everything went down hill after NF but the final nail in the coffin sorta came with EoTN but it did start before that though. After they got rid of troll farming at droks and the centre of trade moved it caused a massive shift in the game as it made monks much much harder to find in PvE and although the price of items plummeted it made gold much harder to ome by which is damn hard enough.

Wow, you are wronger than I thought you are.

Heroes didn't kill anything. I played with henches only before, I played with heroes AND henches after. All it changed is let the good players make custom teams and developed creativity.

Troll farming? I really loled. Seems to me like your "group play" means "grinding at mobs, farming" play.

Monks harder to find in PvE? All those monks that only farmed trolls were not teaming up anyway. And Underworld was still farmable, only it took a lot more skill than 95% of the playerbase had. At least till Factions was released, what with Spirit Bond making it possible to tank every single monster in the UW without problems.

Also, money is a lot easier to come nowadays, and items cost almost nothing.

 

[Oktanas]

Heroes of Might and Magic went down with fourth installment.
The castles all look the same just textures difered.
Characters looked like awfull and all of them moved like they had filled theyre pants.
Few scenarios and random map generator.

The fifth all put on graphic and nothing to gameplay.

 

[Antiparticle]

DOOM 3 was good! Shut up! I'm right!

heh, well, by itself DOOM 3 wasn't really a bad game, it's just nothing compared to DOOM 1 and 2. They should have given it another name, maybe "Resident Evil In Space" or something.

Paper Mario.

The original game on N64 was, and still is, on my list of best games EVER. A simple and fun RPG with so much fun packed in to it, I played it forever and had a nerdgasm when I beat the game. The gamecube one was also fantastic, but I think there were a few moments in the game that we're abnormally difficult. Small complaint in the grand scheme of things though.

And then comes this giant sack of shit Super Paper Mario. And THEY TOOK AWAY THE TURN BASED COMBAT. Seriously, you can't just take the main element of a game and make it the complete opposite. My guess is they did for 2 reasons, to show of the wii remote's controls and to appeal to the retarded gamer who can't comprehend turn based combat.

Now you just jump on enemies and hit them with hammers and stuff.....I can't remember completely, I haven't played wii in forever, let alone that bad game. And they had some stupid 3D affect in the game.....yeah, a game that was made to be 2D is now 3D. Boy do I just love running around without using strategies.

Thanks Nintendo for taking a hammer to Paper Mario's face. Oh yeah, and if you want to make another one, the first step would be to make it on a system with a real controller.

Ah yes, how could I forget this one! I totally agree. The N64 Paper Mario was awesome, and the Gamecube version was even better in my opinion. I played through it twice and I still really feel like doing a third playthrough some day. It's such a wonderful game from start to finish.
Then the Wii version came along and what the fuck, they took out the turn-based combat!! This changed the entire core gameplay from tactical action-RGP to some kind of weird platform game which is not as good as the normal Mario games. They also took out the badges and most of the other interesting things from the previous two games. This was indeed obviously done to appeal to the casual Wii crowd. One of the biggest gaming disappointments ever.

 

[Audio]

Unreal Tournament. Each new instalment kills the original feel to it. A lot of the new things that have been added over the years is great but doesnt have that charm. Too much graphics and not enough game play =(

Also the game Double Dragon That game is so awesome, they made a handful of remakes which didnt cut the mustard.

 

[iXaM]

Soldier of fortune : Payback

What an epic fail

And also MW2

 

[zombiesinc]

The interface was just bad, slow and clunky. It was hard to get any info about anything and some aspects of the game were just poorly handled by it (especially spellcasting). Voice acting was terrible, and it didn't help that EVERY NPC is voiced by about two people. The amount of repetiton and the utter lack of variety was jarring. Hell, the game is infamous for it.

EDIT: Oh, and the quest Journal is just bad. Not as bad as Morrowind, but still pretty crap. Though this ties in with the shitty interface thing...

I agree with all the above. Slow and clunky was about my biggest gripe with the game. The repetitive voices, and all too familiar scenery didn't help either. But even so, I enjoyed the game, and wouldn't go so far to say I was disappointed with Oblivion... just not overly impressed.

Sonic. Silent Hill. Nights into Dreams. Ultimate Alliance. Mortal Kombat. Prince of Persia.

As much as I love Silent Hill... I have to admit that I have been disappointed with the sequels, especially Silent Hill 4: The Room. My friend and I played through that game expecting a new, shiny addition to the series only to be frustrated and confused (more so than what you'd usually expect from Silent Hill).

As for Mortal Kombat, well, yeah...

 

[Kramcake2516]

Fable for me tbh more that it didnt change at all you would think they would have done more then just give u a dog

Oh and resident evil after the 3 just got a little stupid for me

 

[Manji187]

Pretty much every single major franchise? Curse that thing called "love of money".

I half agree. There are some examples of franchises that are still really strong and only getting better, however, it's because they are early in their lineage.

The Mass Effect franchise for example. I played the first one and loved it. Then the second one came out and it basically cut all the bad parts of the first one and improved on the good bits.

The Chrono Trigger franchise.

Possibly Breath of Fire I dunno cause I haven't played past the first two.

And I'd say Halo if it wasn't for ODST and Wars which really should not be considered canon.

Yes, there are always exceptions. I'm not familiar with the Breath of Fire franchise...and as for Halo...I only fully played the very first. So with those two...I wouldn't know.

As for Chrono Trigger...I wouldn't call Chrono Cross better than CT (only in terms of graphics perhaps).

As for Mass Effect...I have played the first one (never finished it though) and I own ME2 CE for PC. Although the combat and inventory mechanics are definitely an improvement... I feel that some aspects have been nerfed. Story and exploration have become rather linear (Mission end screens? Seriously!) and the RPG aspect is toned down. I don't know how Mass Effect games should play like as that decision is up to Bioware, but IMHO ME2 gets pretty close to being Gears of War in space. Not necessarily a bad thing...if you liked Gears of War. Basically for me Mass Effect has become a third person shooter with RPG elements instead of a RPG with third person shooter elements and no...that's not the same thing.

So it's not entirely undisputed whether ME2 is a full improvement over the first part.

 

[AtticusSP]

Metal Gear Solid 4.
I can think of a few parts I liked, but it pissed me off a lot more than it ever entertained me.
It's like they took all the fun from 1, 2 and especially 3 out back and shot it and filled the hole with NANOMACHINES.

 

[child of lileth]

Valkyrie Profile. I loved the first two games for so many reasons. Then the fanfic on the DS came out. It put me in a permanent state of sad-face the entire time I forced myself to play it. Not because it's sad, but because I couldn't understand why tri-Ace felt that they needed to rape my dedication to the series as a fan.

You mean I am not the only one who felt that way?

You seriously must be the only other person in the world to agree with me on that game. lol. Everyone else is like "Holy shit, how can you hate this game?! It's amazing!!" But it's god-awful as a VP game, and it's horrible as a strategy game.

I just can't stand the game. Especially if it's going to negate it's own main plot in the first minute of the in-game story. =__='

 

[Furioso]

Banjo-Kazooie. Nuts and Bolts made me cry tears of physical pain while playing it. It raped my childhood. I could name some more but they have already been said so no point.

Really? I actually enjoyed N&B, I thought the building vehicle thing was great fun

I'm not a fan of this whole user generated content stuff, build your own vehicles, not my stuff. Despite enjoying the game, you cannot sit there and tell me it actually does the original series justice (assuming you've played them). To me it seems like they came up with a whole new IP and slapped the BK name on it to try give it an instant selling point, worked I guess, I bought it.

Oh no no no no no, it didn't do the origional series justice at all, but looking at the game as a brand new IP I had fun with it

Well keeping in mind that this thread was about favorite series that they screwed up I'm sure you can appreciate why I have this game here.

Ah yes, good point...

OT: The Battlefield series, BF 2 was great, Bad Company one was underwhelming, BC2 made the horrid decision to not allow you to shut off the ambient dust, making it impossible to play for me, a personal gripe I know but still.

 

[happy_turtle]

Monkey Island, should have stopped at number 2 (three was ok, just not as great as the originals). The latest ones (esp the telltale ones) have been just god-damn awful. With too much pandering to the fanbase put in front of an interesting story and fun puzzles. (Also Sam 'n' Max shouldn't have been dragged out without the orginal writing staff)

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Well they could be and I have had very good ones. Fair enough if you had a bad experience but my point still holds that Heroes killed the social side of the game. If don't want to do it with people you should have the Heroes as back up but you shouldn't have to rely on them if you want people. Also I don't see why it is bad people play in Guild groups it is kinda the point of the game. As I have said countless times it was the end for GW as everything went down hill after NF but the final nail in the coffin sorta came with EoTN but it did start before that though. After they got rid of troll farming at droks and the centre of trade moved it caused a massive shift in the game as it made monks much much harder to find in PvE and although the price of items plummeted it made gold much harder to ome by which is damn hard enough.

Wow, you are wronger than I thought you are.

Heroes didn't kill anything. I played with henches only before, I played with heroes AND henches after. All it changed is let the good players make custom teams and developed creativity.

Troll farming? I really loled. Seems to me like your "group play" means "grinding at mobs, farming" play.

Monks harder to find in PvE? All those monks that only farmed trolls were not teaming up anyway. And Underworld was still farmable, only it took a lot more skill than 95% of the playerbase had. At least till Factions was released, what with Spirit Bond making it possible to tank every single monster in the UW without problems.

Also, money is a lot easier to come nowadays, and items cost almost nothing.

You know it is called an opinion and it is impossible to have a wrong opinion so no need to be an asshole and yes these monks that did troll farm did team up with people as they had to get to level 20 in the first place and get to the ares to cap the skills they needed. No money is not easy to come by as it was in the game otherwise items would have higher prices this is a fact of supply and demand this is something as I can clearly say you are wrong with as it is one of the first things you learn in Economics. As a rise in incomes ie gold from farming will cause demand to shift causing an increase in demand. Increase in demand causes item prices to rise ie inflation.

So fair enough you have an opinion and I respect that but heroes like me and many others agree did they ruin Guild Wars for us. If it didn't for you that is your opinion but don't tell me what I know to be false from a subject I am studying in school at Higher Level and doing extremely well in. Also it cannot be disputed that after the troll farming nerf the monk population in PvE did drop significantly as I have already said they have to get to level 20 before they can farm and some people will go on to actually play monk as to not waste a character slot. Although you only played with henchies before so you probably didn't notice anyway. I however, used to play and enjoy playing with PUGs regardless of how flawed it can be was still a lot more fun than henchmen for me as you actually go to interact with people. You like is the point of a MMO game to play with people but have the option to go it on your own which you chose. This is why I feel it ruined Guild Wars as it took the MMO need from the game.

 

[captainaweshum]

Pretty much every single major franchise? Curse that thing called "love of money".

I half agree. There are some examples of franchises that are still really strong and only getting better, however, it's because they are early in their lineage.

The Mass Effect franchise for example. I played the first one and loved it. Then the second one came out and it basically cut all the bad parts of the first one and improved on the good bits.

The Chrono Trigger franchise.

Possibly Breath of Fire I dunno cause I haven't played past the first two.

And I'd say Halo if it wasn't for ODST and Wars which really should not be considered canon.

Yes, there are always exceptions. I'm not familiar with the Breath of Fire franchise...and as for Halo...I only fully played the very first. So with those two...I wouldn't know.

As for Chrono Trigger...I wouldn't call Chrono Cross better than CT (only in terms of graphics perhaps).

As for Mass Effect...I have played the first one (never finished it though) and I own ME2 CE for PC. Although the combat and inventory mechanics are definitely an improvement... I feel that some aspects have been nerfed. Story and exploration have become rather linear (Mission end screens? Seriously!) and the RPG aspect is toned down. I don't know how Mass Effect games should play like as that decision is up to Bioware, but IMHO ME2 gets pretty close to being Gears of War in space. Not necessarily a bad thing...if you liked Gears of War. Basically for me Mass Effect has become a third person shooter with RPG elements instead of a RPG with third person shooter elements and no...that's not the same thing.

So it's not entirely undisputed whether ME2 is a full improvement over the first part.

No, Chrono-cross was not better than CT...but it wasn't assed enough to say it went downhill.
I was jarred the first couple Mass Effect 2 mission end screens, however, ME2 was one of the most immerse games I've played. I really got into the role of Shepard, and really cared for the characters...thus...Role Playing Game.

Now don't get me wrong I'm a huge JRPG fan, but I feel that no other game franchise has managed immersion so well.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

What happened to Tales for a while there on the PS2? Shit like Tales of Legendia...

At least Vesperia brought it back up again.

 

[brodie21]

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - Elder Scrolls were always the forerunners in Open World RPGs, with Morrowind reaching cult status. Then they put out Oblivion, a game with atrocious controls that should have been scrapped after Daggerfall, zero story, atrocious writing, terrible voice acting, moronic mechanics, a cluttered and poorly designed interface and an open world more boring than a can of spam. They did make up for it a bit with Fallout 3, but I still fear for the Elder Scrolls series...


EDIT: If you're about to quote me and tell me how awesome Oblivion is, don't bother. I understand I'm the minority on that one and let's leave it at that.

haha, too bad. i thought the controls for oblivion were a bit better than morrowind, but that is just my opinion.

 

[ALKATRAZACAZ]

Hegemonia, i loved it and no true sequal has come after it, what a pitty.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Burnout - Revenge was the last good one. How could they get rid of Crash Junctions. That's what separated it from regular driving games.
GTA - I look to other media for compelling stories. I don't need a pretentious prime time crime drama plot lodged in my gta game, I just need a lot of weird interesting things to do and lots of stuff to do it with.

Those were my two favorite franchises from last gen but it seems like their efforts are half assed this gen.

Phantasy Star - Not that PSO wasn't good for it's time but it's starting to feel outdated. I liked the original games better. Especially 2&4. They should recreate those originals as open world action rpgs: like Bethesda style.

 

[Newa]

Banjo-Kazooie. The new one on Xbox made me sad.