BloatedGuppy said:
Signa said:
And that is what I appreciate about you, you don't turn these conversations into an inquisition because I made a statement about a feeling.
Really? Not my rapier wit?
Let's try this again. I'll say "What do you appreciate about me" and you say "Your rapier wit". On three.
1, 2, 3, YOUR RAPIER WI.. oh shit, I was late.
Signa said:
Yeah, my parents were never supportive of my hobbies.
Well, that could certainly leave an impression. We carry more of our parents and their values and outlooks with us than we sometimes realize. My Dad was very PC/Gaming friendly. He didn't really play himself, but he brought our first computer home when I was like, 6. If he didn't directly encourage the hobby, he was happy enough to get me the latest game for a birthday or Christmas or because I did something that came off like a good kid. My Mom could care less about games and is STILL afraid of computers in general, but she's never really given me grief for my hobby.
My dad bought a Commodore 64 and a SNES, mostly for himself. He even taught me how to use the Commodore when I was 3, because I was a fucking genius kid back then. I think both my parents didn't like how much I took to the games though. They preferred to see me running around like a maniac for some reason, even though they couldn't deal with my ADHD bullshit. They were young, new parents though. My mom was still 19 when she became pregnant with me. They were married that young too.
Signa said:
I can't think of a single girl between 8th and 12th grade that I dealt with that thought my game playing was cool, interesting, or not a total waste of time.
I knew one. Her name was Kara, and her Dad ran the local computer/software store, so she came by it honestly. I actually still remember having a very temporary crush on her, and (for some reason) thought that asking her if I could borrow her copy of King's Quest represented a good romantic overture. She looked annoyed and confused at my question and that was the end of that. GRADE A ROMEO.
That's great! I remember I went to Kindergarten for a half year, and met a girl there that I became friends with. I wanted to marry her when we grew up because she had a NES.
Signa said:
Mental illness covers a million different things like Schizophrenia (holy shit, I spelled that correctly without spellcheck?!). I know there is a stigma on those, but depression?
Clinical depression is a mental illness, boyo.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/expert-answers/clinical-depression/faq-20057770
It's also a pretty big deal. It gets hand-waved a lot because "being depressed" is almost synonymous with "being whiny" in our culture. Or as you've said here, "playing the victim". This can lead to a self-loathing spiral that worsens the depression, potentially leading to serious self-harm or suicide.
Oh believe me, I know. I've been there, lying in bed, just trying to justify my own existence. For me, it's my own burden, and I try not to bring others into it unless I just need someone to lean on for support. At that point, it's not about talking out my dark feelings, but just finding the light in my life. My family is pretty good to me in general, even if they don't like games much. Eventually, with enough introspection and self loathing, I just... get over it and push forward.
Signa said:
I've heard statistics that a gross portion of America is on anti-depressants (I'm not going to go find the number right now.
You may be correct. Over-medication and/or mis-medication is one of the major issues in the mental health system. While anti-depressants can be very valuable in helping people recover, they are not a cure-all, and one size does not fit all. A lot of mental health "professionals" will just throw drugs at a problem (often drugs they are well compensated to promote) without first seeing if talk or cognitive therapy would be a better alternative, if the depression is clinical/chronic or episodic/acute, or even if something as simple as dietary/exercise changes might make a difference. It's also worth noting that a lot of anti-depressants are used to treat diffuse conditions such as generalized anxiety disorder. None of this is an indicator that depression isn't a real/serious problem for a lot of people.
That's why I don't see that there's a stigma against depression specifically. Are people just ignoring the fact that they are also on anti-depressants when they judge others? I don't get it. Maybe the stats are just wrong. I was on anti-depressants years ago, so maybe I'm still being counted in the stats? I stopped taking them because I was getting too old to be on my parent's medical insurance, and I didn't want to be dependent on insurance or medication if I could help it. Lexapro also causes MASSIVE vertigo if you're not getting your normal dosage, so I didn't want to get caught without access to meds. I could be better if I had meds to smooth out my deficiencies, but working on them myself is a lot more satisfying when I manage to conquer an issue without help.
Signa said:
Maybe I'm not really depressed if that's what it's like for everyone else, but if someone asked if I could just get over it, I'd take it for what it was: a friend hoping I could just cheer up or look at the bright side.
Okay, how would you feel if you had cancer, and your friend said your constant moaning about your cancer was really getting them down, and couldn't you just get over the cancer already? Just snap out of the cancer?
Maaaan, that's a really bad analogy. Cancer never just improves, it just gets worse. Much of the time it can't be treated professionally either. Depression from brain chemistry can be adjusted with meds, diet, and behavior (more exercise or something).
Signa said:
I'm not sure using those people as examples is fair.
You know they didn't limit their gaming to a single title, yes? A lot of people game, awkward, cool, weird, affable, etc, etc. People tend to judge you/interact with you based on your personality, not a list of your hobbies.
That's good to hear. When someone keeps the diversity of their gaming hobby limited to just one game, I have a hard time differentiating between them and the soccer mom that stays at home playing Farmville to pass time. It would be like having saying you have a rock climbing hobby, and only ever go to REI to play on their climbing wall.
Signa said:
I don't see why awkward people can't be fair game, within reason of course.
Hey, don't get me wrong. The comic you posted was amusing, and I'm not above telling "awkward" people that THEY are the reason they're having so many social difficulties. I've dealt with awkward people. I've been an awkward person. I know how annoying it is to deal with. It's awkward, right? I worked with a fellow who was a perfectly nice dude but we all kind of defaulted to being dicks to him because, well, he was super awkward, and it just rubbed everyone the wrong way. I feel bad about it, and yet I imagine were the same kind of individual to drift through again we'd probably all be pricks again.
It's not a question of conformity, I think it's just a question of self awareness. There are a lot of people on this forum and elsewhere who go through life thinking they have a lot of unpleasant social interactions for a variety of reasons...their race, their gender, their sexuality, their appearance, etc, etc. And sometimes that may be true. And sometimes the reason is that they're just impossible to be around. Most people figure it out as they get older, but not everyone.
I remember a few people like that. I tried defending one for a while, to the point where I shoved a guy around a bit for being too obnoxious to him. The guy was too damn awkward though. I ended up being a prick to him once and he never talked to me again. I still feel bad about it when I think about it.