How do you feel about anime?
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Tried to get into it, but I just couldn't. It always demands too much of a time investment, is always over the top (in the annoying weird way, not the good way), and the characters typically boil down to stereotypical archetypes.
What characteristics? All you said was that they are ~20 minutes long and have an intro and ending sequence. Most anime series are produced for once-a-week screenings on tv, so it'd make sense for them to be exactly like regular tv shows.x0ny said:
As for killing them using the same method - news flash, they do the exact same thing in movies and games. In games with guns, you shoot people. It doesn't matter if you're using a different gun, you're still just performing the same action over and over.
You're taking One Piece, one of the big 3 anime series at the moment, and using it to make a sweeping generalisation that is factually incorrect about the entirety of anime. You don't like anime, fine, I don't care. It's no skin off my nose. Just say you don't like the art style, or the Japanese culture or whatever. Don't go and make completely wrong points that are easily disproved, though.
Ok then, how about I do the reverse to you. Based off your avatar I assume you listen to Slayer. I find it laughable that you eagerly wait the 1-2 years it takes before another albums gets released. I mean, serious, it's just 50-60 minutes of noise on a cd. How laughably pathetic is that.
See how easy it is to make blanket statements that are wrong?
Something like that. There was a bit of humour in the earlier stuff, but now it's all GRIMDARK and not funny in any way, shape or form. I actually quite like the ridiculously dark and oppressive setting more, but the fanbase contains its fair share of nutters that scare people off.A random person said:
Bearforce 1, huh. That was pretty funny.
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[long discussion ensuing]
Ahem. I remember when I first fell for the awesome pop-culture draw-in that was anime when I first saw Pokemon. As I got introduced to more shows, I became more interested in the medium as a whole, as well as the manga. To this day, I still watch some shows and read many manga... but I don't know why. I find horrid faults with all of them. Even my favorite series, Naruto, is something I mock constantly for so many reasons (too much filler, too cliche, not really ninajs, arian-asian main character, Sakura, etc). And that's only one of them. Don't get me started on the ones I hate.
In short, I love anime, but the anime we get from Japan is getting rather boring and, in some cases, just plain awful. Newer stuff like High School of the Dead is just a shameless piece of garbage with the only redeeming quality being that it at least TRIED to do gritty-realistic horror... it just forgot that it was doing that about halfway through the opening credits. Then there is Iron Man which would have been better for so many reasons had an American studio put it together. Specifically, a Marvel-based American studio.
I'm not saying all anime is bad. Hell, I love Soul Eater, Death Note, and will even tolerate Code Geass enough to stop ripping on it for being just like Death Note. But a lot of American shows do a much better job at both animation and plot (Samurai X, MegasXLR, Avatar, and several others).
Okay... I'm done ranting.
[long discussion ensuing]
Ahem. I remember when I first fell for the awesome pop-culture draw-in that was anime when I first saw Pokemon. As I got introduced to more shows, I became more interested in the medium as a whole, as well as the manga. To this day, I still watch some shows and read many manga... but I don't know why. I find horrid faults with all of them. Even my favorite series, Naruto, is something I mock constantly for so many reasons (too much filler, too cliche, not really ninajs, arian-asian main character, Sakura, etc). And that's only one of them. Don't get me started on the ones I hate.
In short, I love anime, but the anime we get from Japan is getting rather boring and, in some cases, just plain awful. Newer stuff like High School of the Dead is just a shameless piece of garbage with the only redeeming quality being that it at least TRIED to do gritty-realistic horror... it just forgot that it was doing that about halfway through the opening credits. Then there is Iron Man which would have been better for so many reasons had an American studio put it together. Specifically, a Marvel-based American studio.
I'm not saying all anime is bad. Hell, I love Soul Eater, Death Note, and will even tolerate Code Geass enough to stop ripping on it for being just like Death Note. But a lot of American shows do a much better job at both animation and plot (Samurai X, MegasXLR, Avatar, and several others).
Okay... I'm done ranting.
alright but it's not fair to judge an entire genre of television by what only a small percentage have. alright maybe 50% but whatever. Don't watch shonen shows. Watch the more "serious" onesIronic Pirate said:Dislike them, mostly because of OVER THE TOP ANIME REACTIONS!
alright Berserk. There someone in adult hood. The second episode he's technically in his later teen years but then there is like a 5-10 year skip (doesn't really say...)Kakulukia said:
hoohum i figured someone woulda posted before i double posted... oh well what's done is done
sigh you don't say shit like this in a forum. you keep that shit to the graveblakfayt said:
Ok, maybe I didn't express it right. I can suspend my disbelief, but events must be likely to happen in the universe set by the fiction: Takuya can be as much of a genius as you want, there is no way a high school student can amass the knowledge necessary to work on a quantum physics experiment for the NSA, especially in a realistic fictional universe (in the case of The Place Promised in our Early Days, some sort of uchronia with elements of science-fiction, but it is still fairly grounded in reality, if the recap on Wikipedia is accurate). I have absolutely nothing against fantasy - I'm currently writing a fantasy novel, but if the writer chose to make a realistic universe (it is set in 1990s Japan, after all), he should have taken that into account when creating the characters. Otherwise, it's a definite plot hole. How in the nine hells could Takuya get enough knowledge to be selected by the NSA, probably against, you know, doctors in physics?Steppin Razor said:
My point wasn't exactly against the "unrealism" of an 18 year old quantum physicist, it's more about mangas and animes' (and JRPGs' for that matter) obsession with teenage heroes. It alienates adult viewers and seems to assume teenager viewers can't relate to anyone else besides teenagers, which I find quite insulting as a former teenager
But tell me, would the story have been as good if Takuya had been a, say, 27-year old guy with a doctorate in experimental physics? No need to change anything else but a bit of backstory - change the middle/high school from the beginning to a university, the factory to a lab, and voilà: you got the exact same story - which sounds good by the way, I might still check it out, plus believable charcaters.
I think Japanese anime has a leg up on America (and the rest of the world) in a strong animation style that brings with it the ability to make some great works. Its strength, other than the tradition of good animation, are that it's an established genre for mature audiences (not just kids) and it doesn't cost a lot to make either. Unfortunately almost none of it takes advantage of these strengths and 90% of it is just weird niche Japanese culture things.
I liked Cowboy Bebob (the movie, never saw the show (is it a show)). I liked that 50 minute anime film about vampires and vampire hunters in modern time (called Blood i think, it was mostly action). I LOVED Akira and the original Ghost in the Shell was cool. And the Hayao Miyazaki films are Best Picture worthy. I just don't like anything else. DBZ was dumb, Bleach was boring, Naruto was weird, Full Metal Alchemist was meh, etc. InuYasha was decent though.
Edit - Anime shows that are just sooooooo sloooooow - Claymore, Gilgamesh, and Death Note. They were decent otherwise.
I liked Cowboy Bebob (the movie, never saw the show (is it a show)). I liked that 50 minute anime film about vampires and vampire hunters in modern time (called Blood i think, it was mostly action). I LOVED Akira and the original Ghost in the Shell was cool. And the Hayao Miyazaki films are Best Picture worthy. I just don't like anything else. DBZ was dumb, Bleach was boring, Naruto was weird, Full Metal Alchemist was meh, etc. InuYasha was decent though.
Edit - Anime shows that are just sooooooo sloooooow - Claymore, Gilgamesh, and Death Note. They were decent otherwise.
I'm pretty neutral about it and my interest varies from show to show. I don't watch anime very adamantly though. I've been watching since I was 8 and I've only seen: Hellsing, Devil May Cry, the first 3 seasons of Pokemon, the first season of Digimon, and the first season of Dragonball Z.
The only thing I can't stand about anime is the fangirls. The sane ones are alright and I can get along with them, but the insane fanatical type of fangirls give me the intense urge to try and burrow my way to the centre of the Earth just to get away. You know the type, the ones that use Japanese honorifics or Japanese words in everyday speech or on the Internet even if they're not of Japanese descent.
The only thing I can't stand about anime is the fangirls. The sane ones are alright and I can get along with them, but the insane fanatical type of fangirls give me the intense urge to try and burrow my way to the centre of the Earth just to get away. You know the type, the ones that use Japanese honorifics or Japanese words in everyday speech or on the Internet even if they're not of Japanese descent.
Most of it, like most of anything, is pretty run-of-the-mill, cliched stuff that's sort of alright, but tiring after a while. But like any medium, some of it is really good or really bad. Anime is just another type of show. You might as well ask me how I feel about films in general or music in general or radio in general.
If an anime series is good, I'll watch it. If it ain't, I won't. I have to say, I don't watch much anime. Never have either. But I have nothing against it.
Well, that is to say, I used to have nothing against it. The increasingly bizarre fan service and fetishization of characters, and the ludicrous fanboy-ism/fangirl-ism of late is extremely embarrassing. Like with all things, fans ruin everything by taking it too seriously, and too far. Enjoying it is one thing. Devoting your life to it is quite another.
EDIT: It's like Star Trek - a decent Sci-fi show you could watch in the evening, was made into a freakish cultish niche show watched some extremely weird people who just take it far too seriously. The first time I saw two grown men arguing passionately about a minor discrepancy in a FICTIONAL FAKE TV SHOW, was also the time I realized that I could never admit to even somewhat liking Star Trek in public. I mean, it was ludicrous - of course some parts of the TV show don't match up or are inconsistent - IT'S FICTION! IT'S NOT REAL! IT WAS WRITTEN BY SEPARATE WRITERS!
When fans start treating a TV show or an anime series as if the characters or the universe ACTUALLY exists, is the time I start getting the hell out of there.
If an anime series is good, I'll watch it. If it ain't, I won't. I have to say, I don't watch much anime. Never have either. But I have nothing against it.
Well, that is to say, I used to have nothing against it. The increasingly bizarre fan service and fetishization of characters, and the ludicrous fanboy-ism/fangirl-ism of late is extremely embarrassing. Like with all things, fans ruin everything by taking it too seriously, and too far. Enjoying it is one thing. Devoting your life to it is quite another.
EDIT: It's like Star Trek - a decent Sci-fi show you could watch in the evening, was made into a freakish cultish niche show watched some extremely weird people who just take it far too seriously. The first time I saw two grown men arguing passionately about a minor discrepancy in a FICTIONAL FAKE TV SHOW, was also the time I realized that I could never admit to even somewhat liking Star Trek in public. I mean, it was ludicrous - of course some parts of the TV show don't match up or are inconsistent - IT'S FICTION! IT'S NOT REAL! IT WAS WRITTEN BY SEPARATE WRITERS!
When fans start treating a TV show or an anime series as if the characters or the universe ACTUALLY exists, is the time I start getting the hell out of there.
i hate anime... not because its a cartoon or anything but because there is this whole movement with crazy westerners shouting Japanese stuff (see above) + the characters are too feminine (i wanted to say gay but gay people are cooler and have a sense of fashion)
to bad that video games empire somehow cooperates with the anime kingdom
to bad that video games empire somehow cooperates with the anime kingdom
Some anime is pretty cool to watch, though I rarely watch it myself. I think the last bit I watched was Hellsing and that was last year.
I don't care for most of it, but there are a few ones that I really enjoy.
For example: Gurren Lagann, Hellsing Ultimate, Black Lagoon, Gag Manga Biyori and Trava: Fist Planet.
Master Keaton
Those are some of the few animes that have mainly adult characters in a fairly realistic setting (and still manages to be good.)
For example: Gurren Lagann, Hellsing Ultimate, Black Lagoon, Gag Manga Biyori and Trava: Fist Planet.
MonsterSteppin Razor said:So you're looking for something that is the animated equivalent of real life? With nothing that's even remotely unlikely to be true in it? I can't help you there. I'm sure it exists, but it's not the sort of thing I have any interest in.Kakulukia said:Art looks ok, but...Steppin Razor said:How about something like this?Kakulukia said:
...that's another thing that bugs me...I'm pretty sure no high school student works for the NSA in real life. Worst part is, most of those stories (basing myself on Final Fantasy here, that's as close to anime I got) would work perfectly well with adult characters: FF VIII would still have worked if Squall and co. were 25 (Except for Quistis, who should be at least 35 - she teaches in an elite military academy and she's 18 for fuck's sake)According to that anime said:
SO basically, I'm looking for an anime that doesn't use the manga style and doesn't feature "angsty androgynous teenagers killing Satan", to quote Yahtzee. Does that exist?
Master Keaton
Those are some of the few animes that have mainly adult characters in a fairly realistic setting (and still manages to be good.)