How do you get through to racists who have utterly dejected the term "racist"?
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Yes, seriously. We need that stuff. A lot of people are abusing the race card, we need organizations to keep stuff like affirmative action from becoming a reality. Someone being rejected a job because he's black and his boss is a bigot is just as bad as you being unable to get a job because a company is FORCED to hire black people. And there should be organizations that keep such stuff away, because there ARE people of color willing to abuse the movements dedicated to them.Bhaalspawn said:
Also, about Men's Right, that's a whole other can of issues, but there is a lot of fight to be fought in there as well, especially when it comes to parental rights.
Me, i think believe what you want and love and hate what you want. Hate black people. Hate gay people. Hate old people, religions and vegetarians. Hate whatever you want, doest matter. Your free to do so. Just dont communicate it verbally or physically to others. Hate black people....great. Hate gay people....great. Just dont insult or attack them. Live and let live. No one is ever gonna accept another person 100% but neither is one person allowed to push there beliefs on others. So just live your life for the best you can as you only have one opportunity to do it and all that hatred is just going to go against you.
You don't. People like these are so fucking egocentric, deluded and frankly fucking insane that there's no way you can get through to them by reasoned argument. The kindest thing you can do is just to smash them over the head with a bowling pin the second they open their fat, stupid mouths.
I don't understand who they are describing by using "asian". Asia is the largest, habitated continent on Earth with at least 30+ countries of multiple races. Heck I'm technically asian as my family are middle eastern. Do they mean mongols? N. Koreans? Azer Bejanis?
I have no issue with wanting to take pride in one's race. If it's allowed for one, it should be allowed for all. Segragating, ostracising, claiming superiority however I do take issue with. Celebrating heritage and understanding where one came from are important and a good lesson to pass on to children.
To answer the question in the subject line, the tragic truth is that at some point you simply cannot get through. Generally speaking, there are 3 kinds of people concerning any given issue. There are those that think one way, those that feel the opposite and those that are on the fence/don't know/don't care/no opinion. There is little point in wasting breath or time on trying to convince either extreme view that the opposite is in fact, correct. It won't work, it's a waste trying. The ones it is worth spending time on are the don't know/don't cares. They haven't formed an opinion yet and are open to debate and convincing. If one can reasonably argue their case and bring the don't know/don't cares on-side, they will have a majority which will form the concensus, or zeitgeist.
This above is the reason why New York & California, for example, two of the US's most populous States are irrelevant in terms of voting. They're always gonna vote Democrat, it's a waste of Republicans' time trying to change that.
I have no issue with wanting to take pride in one's race. If it's allowed for one, it should be allowed for all. Segragating, ostracising, claiming superiority however I do take issue with. Celebrating heritage and understanding where one came from are important and a good lesson to pass on to children.
To answer the question in the subject line, the tragic truth is that at some point you simply cannot get through. Generally speaking, there are 3 kinds of people concerning any given issue. There are those that think one way, those that feel the opposite and those that are on the fence/don't know/don't care/no opinion. There is little point in wasting breath or time on trying to convince either extreme view that the opposite is in fact, correct. It won't work, it's a waste trying. The ones it is worth spending time on are the don't know/don't cares. They haven't formed an opinion yet and are open to debate and convincing. If one can reasonably argue their case and bring the don't know/don't cares on-side, they will have a majority which will form the concensus, or zeitgeist.
This above is the reason why New York & California, for example, two of the US's most populous States are irrelevant in terms of voting. They're always gonna vote Democrat, it's a waste of Republicans' time trying to change that.
I've always been of the opinion that both sides of an argument have extremes. Stupid ones. It's worth noting that white people CAN be discriminated against. Just simple things like an employer hiring a minority over a white person simply to look more forward thinking. And don't come screaming at me (you know who you are) with "THAT'S NOT A THING!!!" Because it is a thing. You look for a job long enough and you'll come across this. I have and so have others. It's a real genuine thing. It's not as big as some people will say, obviously. And obviously it's not even a fraction close to what minorities go through with racism and discrimination but you need to keep these things in mind when you talk to these people.
Their idiotic extreme opinions started because of incidents regarding employment or maybe a couple of black guys hassled them at a pub saying "get out honky" or whatever ridiculous crap happens at bars like that (I drink alone in horribly dingy pubs. Fuck people, not in a good way.) So some small incidents like this got stupid people thinking there's a conspiracy against whites. Actually, there ARE black groups in most countries (including the USA) who want to wipe out White people. Not an opinion or theory, they do exist. This is where the "both sides have extremes" comes in, by the way.
So you've got dumb people who might have been hassled or heard about a hassling, they've seen a documentary about dumb black extremists, they've heard exaggerated horror stories from, like minded friends who heard it from a friend who heard it from a blah blah. This makes them think they're right. There's no changing that unless they somehow see something that proves them wrong.
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I'm only using black people as an example, I didn't just ignore everyone else. There are extremists everywhere.
Their idiotic extreme opinions started because of incidents regarding employment or maybe a couple of black guys hassled them at a pub saying "get out honky" or whatever ridiculous crap happens at bars like that (I drink alone in horribly dingy pubs. Fuck people, not in a good way.) So some small incidents like this got stupid people thinking there's a conspiracy against whites. Actually, there ARE black groups in most countries (including the USA) who want to wipe out White people. Not an opinion or theory, they do exist. This is where the "both sides have extremes" comes in, by the way.
So you've got dumb people who might have been hassled or heard about a hassling, they've seen a documentary about dumb black extremists, they've heard exaggerated horror stories from, like minded friends who heard it from a friend who heard it from a blah blah. This makes them think they're right. There's no changing that unless they somehow see something that proves them wrong.
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I'm only using black people as an example, I didn't just ignore everyone else. There are extremists everywhere.
They mean anyone from Asia. It's a broad category, but whatever, it's a broad continent.KingsGambit said:
There was this guy who ran a website way back in the day that spent all its time pushing Star Wars and dissing Star Trek. The fanboyism isn't relevant, but the guy was Asian-American and he had a huge, utterly inexplicably beef with the term "Asian." He was like "Asia is huge, so it's racist and insensitive to talk about Asian culture or Asian food because it implies we're all the same." He would write massive blog posts ranting about how racist it was.
I was like, what? Asian just means from Asia. Sure, there's a shitload of different cultures in Asia, but they're all Asian, because they're from fucking Asia. There's nothing more racist about Asian culture than there is European culture, or African culture. It's just a large category that encompasses many smaller sub-categories.
This saddens me. How much are you willing to ignore? Far from being the majority, white-on-others racism is rare and taboo in civilized nations. DESPITE this, it is OKAY, and ENCORAGED by many public figures considered to be role models and civil rights advocates, to hate whites and want REVENGE. Ask Reverend Wright. Listen to Rev. Jesse Jackson. Ask the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. Ask Jamie Foxx what his favorite part about filming Django was, or better yet read his Twitter. Rewind back and see how Oprah treated our President like a savior and exclaimed "We're finally free!" when he won the election.
My ancestors weren't even on this side of the pond until slavery was dead, you can't blame me for the actions of my ancestors! Well, unless you count taking over England from the Saxons and raiding various coasts in longboats. And yet so often you see it: white people are apparently all Nazis inside, and no matter how innocent they are on the outside, we all want you dead. We don't want you in our country because you're brown. Nevermind that we have no problem with Cubans. We think you should be a slave because you're black, "put y'all BACK in chains", as the whitest VP ever cared to remind you. Hasn't anyone considered that excepting rare taboo occasions that society takes every opportunity to stamp out, the only racism in this country is bred and perpetrated by the people who have money and followers to gain from it? Racism will die as a societal trait and be treated like the crime it is, but only if we let it. We can't let it if we can't move beyond avenging our great-great-grandparents by hating anyone who LOOKS like the people who enslaved them. The only place for any kind of racism is Dungeons and Dragons, and any Bioware game. Damn elves...
My ancestors weren't even on this side of the pond until slavery was dead, you can't blame me for the actions of my ancestors! Well, unless you count taking over England from the Saxons and raiding various coasts in longboats. And yet so often you see it: white people are apparently all Nazis inside, and no matter how innocent they are on the outside, we all want you dead. We don't want you in our country because you're brown. Nevermind that we have no problem with Cubans. We think you should be a slave because you're black, "put y'all BACK in chains", as the whitest VP ever cared to remind you. Hasn't anyone considered that excepting rare taboo occasions that society takes every opportunity to stamp out, the only racism in this country is bred and perpetrated by the people who have money and followers to gain from it? Racism will die as a societal trait and be treated like the crime it is, but only if we let it. We can't let it if we can't move beyond avenging our great-great-grandparents by hating anyone who LOOKS like the people who enslaved them. The only place for any kind of racism is Dungeons and Dragons, and any Bioware game. Damn elves...
Never said he did. I did, however, mention that racial slurs including the one I mentioned have a little more weight as most of them were derived to separate blacks from humanity as a whole.AnarchistFish said:
So, racist white people are rare nowdays, and so when people complain about racism they must be talking about ancient history?Nieroshai said:
This is what's known as "total bullshit".
That might be a good point, If you were not saying this on a topic ABOUT A NEO-NAZI VIDEO WHICH USES THE WORLD "FINAL SOLUTION!Nieroshai said:
Seriously, you will lose all credibility with that sob story here.
I'm not going into the rest of what you posted, because I vehemently disagree. Some parts even strike me as a persecution complex.
All I have to say is that I can't help but scoff when I hear the term "anti-racism". Racism is racism. It's not okay either way.
White supremacy has no logical basis to rest upon. There is no evidence beyond anecdotes to suggest being white is any better than being black, asian, etc or anything that implies people who are a part of said races are inferior to whites. Holding such a viewpoint regardless is incredibly outdated and ignorant. Ending such absurd beliefs is a step in the right direction, as they can lead (directly or indirectly) to harm, from "mild" things like discrimination to major crimes like lynchings. Intolerance of intolerance isn't the same as intolerance in general, since the former actually has a logical basis.Fasckira said:
I couldn't get past "anti-racist is just another word for anti-white". No, this video will depress me. Ta-ta.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it racist, but I would call these terms inappropriate and further, stupid. They don't mean anything, particularly in relation to this case as an example, when comparing it to "white".bastardofmelbourne said:
"White" is talking about the caucasian race. African-American and Asian-American...Continent-Nationality....wtf? They don't mean anything. What is an african american? Is it specifically someone whose roots are in africa but holds an american passport? Does it include white africans, or Egyptians (who are racially the same as arabs)? No, it is used to mean black. What about Caribbean Americans? I've never heard that term...is african american used to describe someone black from the Caribbean too?
And Asian? Asian culture, asian food? It means nothing, there's no such thing. There is arabic food, indian food, chinese and japanese food, thai food, and so on, and they are none of them the same (though they do all involve a lot of rice!). Japanese culture is completely and utterly different from Indian culture (except for elements of Buddhism I suppose). China is different, as is Mongolia, Korea, Vietnam, Burma, Azer Bejan, Iran and so on.
White, when used to describe the caucasoid race is comparable to the negroid race, or australoid, mongoloid, etc. Why compare race with continent? I'd accept white, black, arab, chinese, aboriganal however, for example. The terms african/asian american are frankly stupid, serve no purpose and offer no helpful description in practically any context, particularly in the contexts in which they are most often used. Hearing "asian culture" or "asian food" makes me shudder.
Oh and European culture is as bad or worse. There is no such thing as European culture. There is French culture, Spanish culture, Italian and German culture, British culture (hahaha), Swiss and Irish cultures and so on. They are each as different as the entirety of America is to Brazil, Mexico, Argentina or Chile.