How do you get through to racists who have utterly dejected the term "racist"?

[bastardofmelbourne]

Actually, that is precisely the reason. It isn't racist, I'll agree, but it is the other three. There is no such thing as Asian culture; I can prove this beyond doubt by simply asking, describe asian culture.

Cultures from the Asian continent. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Asia]

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[IamQ]

I like how the video doesn't allow people to vote or comment on it. If they truly stood for what they were doing, they wouldn't care. This make me think that this is some sort of elaborate ruse.

 

[Angie7F]

I think everyone is racist but at different degrees.
I know that even though I am Japanese, I often feel being treated in a racist manner by other Japanese people because I dont have a Japanese upbringing.
Even in work, they will openly ask me "Are you even brought up in Japan?" if they feel that they are not getting what they want when i am handing their complaint.

So as much as I am hurt when white people are racist towards nonwhites, I think it is just natural for humans to feel a bit threatened by those who are different from themselves.

Bottom line is, I say just let the racist people alone.
i think openly racist people are easier to handle than hypocritical "non-racist" people who will use the "race" card only when they dont get what they want.

 

[Khrowley]

I'm half white and half asian, but for some reason I look mexican. Gotta wonder what they'd say to me and where I'd fit into their "final solution."

 

[MammothBlade]

So. I stumbled across this video. It's a video for WHITE RIGHTS! Fighting for WHITE FREEDOMS! To stop "White Ge-NO-cide!" What a cute pun.


Watching it, I got sad, and then amused, and then sad again, and concerned, and after five minutes of it all I could feel was worried. These people have, in all sincerity, taken up the mantle of believing that anti-racism is actually anti-white. Like, they have convinced THEMSELVES of that. Also note that they've convinced themselves that apparently keeping whites out of black and Asian churches, communities, and countries is a thing. (I'm sure they can go wherever in the world they want to. They just don't want to. What with all the starvation and violent dictatorships 'n all.)

"They tell us, 'Africa is for the Africans! Asia is for the Asians! But white countries are for everyone!'"

So how... how do you talk to people like this? I'm convinced it's a kind of insanity - they have made up (or just poorly interpreted or inferred meaning from) arguments, argue against those arguments, and in doing so completely and utterly cement mistruths in themselves. How do you fight such things? You could ignore it, but others won't. How do you get through to someone who has built up such impeccable defense regarding people changing their minds?

This is what happens when you overuse the term "racist" as a way to shut down an argument. It slowly loses all meaning, and even becomes a positive identifier. Let's string no ballet, the tendency towards calling people racist and then marginalising them without explaining why it's wrong to be racist is the problem here. I've seen it all the time. Rather than being "anti-racist", people should be pro-whatevertheoppositeofracism is. Telling a racist they're a racist is like telling a paedophile they're a paedophile. Doesn't change anything. So, what are you going to do about it?

People with racist views tend to have this underlying fear of other races. And their fears need to be challenged and disproven through open dialogue.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The Jews weren't persecuted for being white, they were persecuted for being Jews. That's not quite the same thing. Plus they were persecuted by other white people, so it definitely isn't the same thing. Not that it wasn't wrong, mind you.

Which is all well and good, if that's what you'd said. But you said white people had never been discriminated against, so...there you go! Here are some white people who got discriminated against.

"Oh, but it wasn't because they were white." Who cares? The Hutus didn't kill a million Tutsis because they were black. It doesn't make it any less racist.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude here. It's just that while I acknowledge that white people have had it pretty damn awesome for basically forever, saying that white people have never been discriminated against is just historically inaccurate. We have plenty of examples of white racial and ethnic groups being the target of racial hatred, usually perpetrated by other whites. The English and the Irish is a popular example, and there's obviously the Jews, but racism was endemic in Germany prior to its unification in 1871, and the way the invading Normans treated the native Anglo-Saxons in the eleventh century was basically medieval apartheid.

I agree with you that white people have no business complaining about that (except for probably the Jews and the Irish, because their persecution is rather more modern) but saying it didn't happen is the same kind of historical whitewashing those dipshits in the video were doing. (Okay, it wasn't that bad. It was mean to compare you to them.)

Sorry, what I meant was that white people have never been discriminated against for being white. At least, not to the same degree as other ethnic groups and certainly not in the Western World anyway.

 

[OniaPL]

Sorry, what I meant was that white people have never been discriminated against for being white. At least, not to the same degree as other ethnic groups and certainly not in the Western World anyway.

But discrimination is rarely solely because of skin color. Take slavery and the africans. They were not discriminated against because they were black, they were discriminated because they were seen as lesser beings and monkey men due to them lacking the same technological advancements the European cultures had achieved and having a somewhat primitive culture. The skin color just became a way to easily identify the members of the "inferior race of monkey men".

Pretty much all sorts of people have been discriminated against no matter the skin color. The reason that we often view the white race as the major oppressor is that the western world and Europe just happened to be at the top at the moment (See: Victoria's hegemony for example). This just happened to be going on at the same time as embarking on seas was possible more than ever and imperialism was in full motion.

This led to the western world, mainly Europe, spreading its influence all over the globe, which in turn led to widespread, massive discrimination against all other nations and ethnic groups.
While for example the chinese looked down on europeans during the dark ages, there really was no possibility for similar scale of discrimination.

So in my opinion this explains largely why there hasn't been such widespread discrimination against caucasians as there has been towards other races. White people have not been that discriminated against in the recent history mainly because of how lucky we got.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Sorry, what I meant was that white people have never been discriminated against for being white. At least, not to the same degree as other ethnic groups and certainly not in the Western World anyway.

But discrimination is rarely solely because of skin color. Take slavery and the africans. They were not discriminated against because they were black, they were discriminated because they were seen as lesser beings and monkey men due to them lacking the same technological advancements the European cultures had achieved and having a somewhat primitive culture. The skin color just became a way to easily identify the members of the "inferior race of monkey men".

Pretty much all sorts of people have been discriminated against no matter the skin color. The reason that we often view the white race as the major oppressor is that the western world and Europe just happened to be at the top at the moment (See: Victoria's hegemony for example). This just happened to be going on at the same time as embarking on seas was possible more than ever and imperialism was in full motion.

This led to the western world, mainly Europe, spreading its influence all over the globe, which in turn led to widespread, massive discrimination against all other nations and ethnic groups.
While for example the chinese looked down on europeans during the dark ages, there really was no possibility for similar scale of discrimination.

So in my opinion this explains largely why there hasn't been such widespread discrimination against caucasians as there has been towards other races. White people have not been that discriminated against in the recent history mainly because of how lucky we got.

Be that as it may that doesn't change the fact that it hasn't really happened.

 

[OniaPL]

Be that as it may that doesn't change the fact that it hasn't really happened.

Well, true. I just got the feeling that you thought that discrimination based on skin color was somehow different from other discrimination by nature (since in your previous comments you seemed to insist that being persecuted for being a jew isn't the same thing as being persecuted for skin color) and I wanted to contest that (by explaining that very rarely anyone else has been persecuted for their skin color) because I found the idea silly.

But maybe there was a misunderstanding then.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Be that as it may that doesn't change the fact that it hasn't really happened.

Well, true. I just got the feeling that you thought that discrimination based on skin color was somehow different from other discrimination by nature (since in your previous comments you seemed to insist that being persecuted for being a jew isn't the same thing as being persecuted for skin color) and I wanted to contest that (by explaining that very rarely anyone else has been persecuted for their skin color) because I found the idea silly.

But maybe there was a misunderstanding then.

No, the point I was trying to make was that the kind of discrimination the morons in that video were talking about hasn't really happened against white people (at least in the West) which is why no one talks about white integration etc etc. All discrimination is bad esp. when it leads to genocide (actual genocide, not whatever delusion those morons are talking about).

 

[JudgeGame]

This is what happens when you overuse the term "racist" as a way to shut down an argument. It slowly loses all meaning, and even becomes a positive identifier. Let's string no ballet, the tendency towards calling people racist and then marginalising them without explaining why it's wrong to be racist is the problem here. I've seen it all the time. Rather than being "anti-racist", people should be pro-whatevertheoppositeofracism is. Telling a racist they're a racist is like telling a paedophile they're a paedophile. Doesn't change anything. So, what are you going to do about it?

People with racist views tend to have this underlying fear of other races. And their fears need to be challenged and disproven through open dialogue.

Nobody is obliged to do anything for racists. If I tell someone they are racist, I'm going out of my way to give them some guidance towards a happier life with more friends and they should be grateful for just that. Racists can either get with the program and learn to be decent with all human beings or get the fuck out of my way.

 

[BeeGeenie]

*rejected. Not dejected. I'm pretty sure they're not sad about being racist if they're in denial about it.

OT: Why do anything? Just ignore them. They don't deserve to be taken seriously.

 

[Adaephon]

Be that as it may that doesn't change the fact that it hasn't really happened.

Well, true. I just got the feeling that you thought that discrimination based on skin color was somehow different from other discrimination by nature (since in your previous comments you seemed to insist that being persecuted for being a jew isn't the same thing as being persecuted for skin color) and I wanted to contest that (by explaining that very rarely anyone else has been persecuted for their skin color) because I found the idea silly.

But maybe there was a misunderstanding then.

No, the point I was trying to make was that the kind of discrimination the morons in that video were talking about hasn't really happened against white people (at least in the West) which is why no one talks about white integration etc etc. All discrimination is bad esp. when it leads to genocide (actual genocide, not whatever delusion those morons are talking about).

Well the kind of discrimination they're talking about in the video has (kinda) happened fairly recently in the west. My family is from Zimbabwe and we were all thrown out of the country when I was just a little kid due to the colour of our skin. Granted an argument could be made that white people "deserved" it since we had been oppressing the shit out of that country for decades, but yeah, it did happen. Sure one could argue that white africans haven't had it quite as bad as other racial minorites, and in fact most white africans were hated more for the fact that they had positions of power more than the colour of their skin but nevertheless, it is wrong to assume that there has never been any large-scale discrimination against white people (though the people in the video are still pretty dumb).

OT: the way (at least in my opinion) to get through to these kind of racists is pretty simple. A little understanding is usually all it takes, along with some compassion and sincerity. Of course some racists are just horrible people who don't deserve any compassion from you or me, but I think a lot of racist (or for that matter sexist/homophobic/whatever) people are just misinformed, scared and ignorant. That doesn't mean that they aren't wrong, but if you want to convert a racist to your point of view, you shou;d try to understand why they feel the way they do. Maybe a childhood trauma made them hate a cretain way, maybe they were raised in a hateful environment. I mean, if you wanted to stop someone from being a part of some cult or something, you'd put them in counselling and try and work through it. The answer is never to deal with the person, its to deal with the reasons that the person acts the way he or she does. I know that it feels wrong to try and be nice to a person that probably doesn't deserve it, but trust me on this, a little bit of understanding will at least partly win over most people on your opposing side.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Be that as it may that doesn't change the fact that it hasn't really happened.

Well, true. I just got the feeling that you thought that discrimination based on skin color was somehow different from other discrimination by nature (since in your previous comments you seemed to insist that being persecuted for being a jew isn't the same thing as being persecuted for skin color) and I wanted to contest that (by explaining that very rarely anyone else has been persecuted for their skin color) because I found the idea silly.

But maybe there was a misunderstanding then.

No, the point I was trying to make was that the kind of discrimination the morons in that video were talking about hasn't really happened against white people (at least in the West) which is why no one talks about white integration etc etc. All discrimination is bad esp. when it leads to genocide (actual genocide, not whatever delusion those morons are talking about).

Well the kind of discrimination they're talking about in the video has (kinda) happened fairly recently in the west. My family is from Zimbabwe and we were all thrown out of the country when I was just a little kid due to the colour of our skin. Granted an argument could be made that white people "deserved" it since we had been oppressing the shit out of that country for decades, but yeah, it did happen. Sure one could argue that white africans haven't had it quite as bad as other racial minorites, and in fact most white africans were hated more for the fact that they had positions of power more than the colour of their skin but nevertheless, it is wrong to assume that there has never been any large-scale discrimination against white people (though the people in the video are still pretty dumb).

Hence the qualifier "At least in the West." Still I've never heard of that happening before.