How do you think World War III will pan out?

[Atmos Duality]

Iran will start it off by nuking the shit out the Hebrews which will cause a chain reaction of nuclear war leading up to China bombing the USA.

The USA missile shield will stop the China made A-bombs and then a nice retaliation and all of china will start to glow in the dark.

End result USA wins due to missile shield and other Classified tech with the other global powers getting very nervous at just how powerful the USA is.

I think you over-estimate our ability to stop stratospheric-level projectiles. Especially if they're lobbed at us by the dozens.
Even a tactical nuke could be flown in under radar on an unmanned drone.

No..a nuclear war will end civilization as we know it.

 

[tthor]

Now that's just being cynical. And quite fair, paranoid...

No, if we focus on education amongst all, there'll be very little wars. Why do you think there are talibans to begin with?

when i read this, the first thought that comes to mind is Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas
Caesar was born into the Followers of the Apocalypse, an organization that was focused on teaching people of the wasteland, and Caesar was thus very well educated, but he deciding to use that knowledge to teach a tribe how to properly fight and wage war, and used that tribe to conquer all the surrounding tribes, building his empire

 

[Legendairy314]

I'm guessing some ignorant leaders will think a dead world is better than a world that doesn't follow their beliefs, get drunk one night, and press the "Nuke Earth" button. I'd hope for one day where we won't need nuclear arms but everyone will want them to discourage others who have them.

 

[Meestor Pickle]

Honestly I think it'll be between China and the US over resources of some kind and China will win that one...but no one wins a nuclear war.

Unless you have a super-cool-vault! Get yours now and prepare for the future!

 

[Throwitawaynow]

You're right, France has won every war that was cited as lost on that website. All leaders that were told to not be from France were from France, all the times France was invaded it was really just luring the enemy in to a trap, and Normandy was France and will always be France.

You have thoroughly exposed the truth and I will always be in your debt.

Even though you are being awfully sarcastic, you are much closer to the truth than you think. But then again, if you cite that website you probably didn't know much or care much anyway.

Sweet! I knew I was right. Gallic wars not lost, also not called France so w/e.

Italian Wars, King and Heir did not die and the 1562 religion wars did not happen, strong victory.

France saw the most fighting, contributed the most troops, and accomplished the defining things that brought about America's independence.

Napoleonic Wars won and Frances empire spread out over all of Europe.

Franco-Prussian War was won by the First French Empire, wait why would I say first? There has only been one, and it was never defeated. The Treaty of Frankfurt made all Prussia worship France as the war machine it is.

In WW1 and WW2 France charged Germany, invaded and defeated them promptly. The victory was so crushing no other nation wanted a part of France and surrendered.

First Indochina War, France firmly crushed and colonized the area naming it New France. Algerian War made New New France.

France constructed the Panama Canal and is to this day marveled at how they went about it, how fiercely the studied the land, how financialy and politically efficient they were, and that no-lock system clearly ground breaking.

Haiti, India, and Mexico, were just enveloped in France, not extra New's for you!

Quasi-War with U.S. had America apologizing for getting involved.

Finally the Seven Years' War saw all of North America, Canada, and India given to France.

Listed by order of appearances on site, not chronologically obviously. Man all of those things I listed clearly show how that website was completely wrong.

 

[Kortney]

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First of all, I'd have to suggest you loose the sarcasm. Posting full posts of sarcasm do nothing more than make you look slightly daft. It's a great way to pretend you know something - because of instead of addressing my points you can just say:

"In WW1 and WW2 France charged Germany, invaded and defeated them promptly. The victory was so crushing no other nation wanted a part of France and surrendered."

When I wasn't suggesting that happened in the first place. It's very straw-man like.

Sweet! I knew I was right. Gallic wars not lost, also not called France so w/e.

First of all, the Gallic wars did not just take part in what we call today as "France". It also took part in not only modern day Britain and Germany, but Luxembourg, Belgium, North Italy and the Netherlands. So to suggest (like this site does the whole way through) that France "lost" that is manipulating the truth to begin with.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the Gallic wars took place over two thousand years ago. Two thousand. It involved the Roman Republic (the most ground breaking, devastating and professional military outfit of it's time) conquering several different tribes. Yes, that's right tribes. Tribes that didn't represent France anymore than they represented Luxembourg or Celtica or whatever the hell the area was called at the time. To say that involves a defeat of "France" is a complete manipulation of truth and is clutching at straws.

So that's one right off the bat that is a load of bollocks.

Italian Wars, King and Heir did not die and the 1562 religion wars did not happen, strong victory.

First of all I have to comment on how foolish it is to try to use one sarcastic sentence to represent the "Italian wars". They involved several different kings with several different agendas and several different wars happening at the same time.

The first Italian war ended in a tactical victory to France. Whilst Charles the VIII ended up withdrawing due to clever work from the Italians, the outcomes set out were achieved.

The second Italian war was much more complicated. The new king of France, King Louis ended up tearing through Italy and forging an alliance with the Spaniards. However, the Spaniards and the French ended up fighting and yes - Spain did prevail in the two or three subsequent wars. It is worth noting however, that France achieved many of its goals and the Spaniards exploited their alliance and lured them into a completely un-winnable battle. I hope you are starting to realise that real history is somewhat more complicated than vague, baised little remarks.

What is hilarious however, is that your shitty little website says that:

"France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians."

Uh... Yeah. France wiped the floor both diplomatically and militarily against Italy. It was the Spanish that destroyed France. Not the Italians. So there is an example of the website not only bending the truth - but flat out lying.

France saw the most fighting, contributed the most troops, and accomplished the defining things that brought about America's independence.

Here you go presenting a straw man again. I, nor any credible French source has ever stated that France saw the most fighting during the American Revolutionary War.

They did however, lend bucket and bucket loads of supply's to the USA and the French were a huge factor in the British backing out. They certainly helped.

Napoleonic Wars won and Frances empire spread out over all of Europe.

Agree. The Napoleonic Wars were flat out losses for France. Saying that however, is completely ignorant to the complete domination Napoleon provided earlier. It's like using referencing the fall of Rome and saying "Look! Rome SUCKED!". Napoleon, whether you like it or not, is one of the greatest military leaders of all time. Napoleon remains the only leader in history to take all of continental Europe. He made the Roman's conquests look silly. Did it come to an end? Yep, of course. Does it mean France are a wimpy military power? Hell no.

The French were completely outnumbered for the most part though. Napoleon fought well (even managing to win many battles despite being completely out numbered) and I don't believe any army of the time could of won that.

Also, I have to point out that I'm not here to suggest France has never lost a battle. They certainly have. I'm here to point out what a crock of rubbish that website is.

Franco-Prussian War was won by the First French Empire, wait why would I say first? There has only been one, and it was never defeated. The Treaty of Frankfurt made all Prussia worship France as the war machine it is.

The Franco-Prussian war was definitely a loss for France and one that crippled them. No problem with the website claiming that.

In WW1 and WW2 France charged Germany, invaded and defeated them promptly. The victory was so crushing no other nation wanted a part of France and surrendered.

This is, without a doubt, the stupidest the website gets. Every single claim they make on the subject of World War 1 is false. I've done a university course on the Western front so (without trying to sound like a wanker) I can comprehensively say this section is retarded.

Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States

Completely laughable. And extremely offensive.

I'd like to know where this website gets the idea that France were "on the way to loosing". Germany had a completely crippled home front. The German General Moltke's modifications to the Schlieffen Plan guaranteed a stalemate from the start. The war became a war of "let's wait to see who's home front destroys itself first" whilst millions of brave, young men charged head on into machine guns. They face the Germans for five years and lost a generation of men and this person as the hide to bash them for this? Heh. The Americans are still moaning over Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Like to see how this idiot would take it if someone started slagging that off. Trench warfare was an atrocity of human nature (and mother nature!) and is something that should never be grossly misinterpreted by this ignorant website.

Anyway, Germany found it harder and harder to survive as each year passed. If anyone was "on the way to losing" it was Germany - not France. If the French hadn't defended some of those towns ("VERDUN" Is screaming in my head at you) then World War 1 wouldn't of been won in four years. Not by the British or the Americans.

Now the worst part. France is saved by the United States? Are you kidding me?

France lost nearly all of it's men aged between 18-25, as did Great Britain and her colonies. They fought tooth and nail to guarantee France would never be taken. And this person wants to claim that America was the reason World War 1 was won? Quite ironic considering how they were earlier accusing France of taking the glory of winning the American Revolutionary War - don't you think?

What is rather funny is that the closest the German's ever got to taking Paris was in the infamous spring offensive of 1918. America was fighting during 1918. And as I recall, it was the Australians (not the Americans) who stopped that offensive and "saved" many French towns such as Villers-Bretonneux under the brilliant command of the Australian General Monash.

In regards to World War Two - well I can completely understand why the many of the French let the Germans take it. They had just been in a War that had destroyed their country. They lost a whole generation of men and just as they are starting to get back on their feet the Germans pull it all again? Heh. Call me a coward but I can completely emphasise with their decision to throw their hands up and not fight again.

First Indochina War, France firmly crushed and colonized the area naming it New France.

Meh. The French could have won that if they wanted to. Just like how the Americans could have too. It was a brutal war that wasn't a necessity to win for the French, so they pulled out - like the Americans would do a few years later. I don't see that as a clear cut loss. And besides, if the best military in the World "lost" it too then I guess it's not a big deal.

Algerian War made New New France.

Hah. I'm an Algerian and I can tell you the French have well and truly kicked our butts on the overwhelming majority of occasions. I lived through an occasion where they did. They killed 200,000 of us and well and truly "pwnt" us all. Interesting to wonder why that little conflict didn't make the list...


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Annnnnd I'm going to cut this there. I can't be bothered to go through the rest. You get my point.

What really annoys me about that article is the nature of bashing another country to stroke your own national pride. Some parts are border line disgusting. Why is it that people feel the need to bash other countries?

Anyway, if you still don't believe me I advise you to read this very intelligent American's take on the same website. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=724264#post724264

He knows more about certain battles (such as the US rev. battle) than I do. But, as another (more switched on than I am) user said to me, this is most likely a troll website. That makes it even funnier that you are agreeing with it.

 

[AvsJoe]

I'll simplify it:

*gunshots*
*BOOM!*
*dust*
...
*roar*

 

[God's Clown]

I will take over the planet, through war, and the world will finally know peace for once in Human Existence.

 

[Merkavar]

to be honest im getting over all the posts that say usa number 1 and usa is awesome and will beat all comers etc.

push come to shove the US is serverly out numbered population wise and if it came to war the 2.5 billion people in the 2 most populated countries could easliy be recruited into armies and work in factories to produce arms and tanks etc.

also these countries dont have the best track record for human rights so these massive populations could and probably would be forced to produce goods and join the army.

also atm the chinese army is nearly twice the size of the usa.

quantity has a quality all of its own. so in my oppinion i wouldnt be to quick to think usa number 1. im assuming that people arent going to use nukes cause thats a no win situation.

 

[Doog0AD]

In the words of Albert Einstein: "I know not which weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

 

[thatcanadianguy]

America will sit back and lol-at-us.

We'll be pussies and sit back too long instead of doing what we should've all along (thus ending things earlier) and things will get out of hand and half of the world will get blown up.

unless of course theres oil in whichever country starts the war. right?

oh oh, no im sorry. i meant "weapons of mass destruction"

 

[Throwitawaynow]

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Gonna go ahead and get some of this out of the way at the beggining it's a joke website, I use it as a joke, I do not personally use it as an historical accurate representation of French military history. I merely use it when French combat comes up in discussion because 1. It's funny. 2. It gets others mad if they take it seriously. and 3. Most of it is rationalized to make it seem like a French loss but some do raise some good points. It is almost impossible for a country to lose every war a country enters and still stand so obviously it is wrong. You see all I wanted you to post, and you did was this:

Also, I have to point out that I'm not here to suggest France has never lost a battle. They certainly have.

Because when I made the sarcastic remark of French winning every battle, French leaders always being from France, and France was never invaded you said I was closer to the truth than I knew. Which I thought was kind of silly. Trying to address each of your comments but also worrying about the humanities I have due in a few hours so... War is hell, I agree, blah blah blah. French did play a major role and everyone suffered who had to go through WW1, based on national pride I am not allowed to mention WW2 in the context I am trying to bring to this conversation so skip that.

Also, the writer of the website isn't American as was stated on the website so you're not really getting back at him with your pearl harbor and 9/11 comments. Pearl harbor one is unfounded we have a day for it but no one really mentions it, 9/11 one is not unfounded as I am American I can attest to the xenophobic and racism that event has spread through America is ridiculous. Your thoughts on the Indochina wars are accurate to the T, so no comment. Algerian part I was mainly using wikipedia to try and fact check the website and I was skipping over all of the wars that weren't clear losses for France and the Algerian one had a loss at the top so I included it. I honestly do not know the details, I can barely keep up with all of the ones for my own country let alone everyone elses.

Which leads directly to your ending comments. You live in the UK and as I understand it American on UK friendly fire is a running joke there. It is the exact same as America's view on French warfare, a running joke. Neither really means it, but there is a sliver of truth which is what gives it its humor. We've discussed the French one. One could rationalize that since the prevalent media has come about and everything is noted everywhere and US has the most troops invested currently alongside allied troops, and that with technical difficulties (Same flares used by both sides to mean different things, enemy tampering with the flares, different chains of command, tempted to add pep pills but we pretty much disowned that guy, different I don't know what you call it channels? w/e was trying to remember the reasons on both sides) it is to be expected that this would happen. You could also point out other FF incidents that happen that didn't happen to America. (I have literally had this conversation close to 5 times with someone from the UK) about the Iraq invasion itself and UK on UK FF incidents happened twice while US on US FF incidents didn't happen. (Actually I may have got that war wrong, feel free to correct me, but w/e.)


With that I wasn't trying to sling mud at that person nor that country merely point out that both countries make mistakes and with more people come more mistakes. Any mistake is too much and we are harder on ourselves than anyone else could be when it comes to them. I will check out that website as I have read your posts. And will end with this: it is a troll website, I was making a slight = P troll comment, but it all worked out in the end for me because I love these kinds of discussions. Thank you.

 

[Throwitawaynow]

quantity has a quality all of its own.

What has history highlights shown people though? Quality usually comes out at top, I constantly hear about such and such defeated an army 3x-5x-10x as big as them because of better tactics and better weaponry.

 

[Kortney]

quantity has a quality all of its own.

What has history highlights shown people though? Quality usually comes out at top, I constantly hear about such and such defeated an army 3x-5x-10x as big as them because of better tactics and better weaponry.

Myth. The reason you constantly hear about it is because it's more interesting to mention the times a force has defeated one bigger than it. Most of the time the force with more people win.

French loss but some do raise some good points.

No, none of it raises any good points. The French have some of the best military victories in the World. To even suggest they are inefficient in battle is completely ignorant.

Because when I made the sarcastic remark of French winning every battle, French leaders always being from France, and France was never invaded you said I was closer to the truth than I knew. Which I thought was kind of silly.

It's not silly at all. The French have actually won more battles than they have lost, and the ones they have lost they have fought gallantly in and suffered tremendous losses.

For a culture that has been around for such a long time, their military record is outstanding. Or, some idiot can gather every time when they have "lost" (even including the times when they haven't because hey, no one will notice!) put them all together, ignore the majority of times when they performed exceptionally and put it all in a list, throwing in unfunny jokes.

For some American or pro-American person to disrespect that is disgusting because America has never had to go through loosing almost all of their country. It's also disgusting to point fun at them and laugh at what they went through when their country was being invaded. I don't care if it's being a "troll" - it's not funny. Especially when delivered with no comedic talent.

Bashing a country like that isn't funny. I'm not saying it could never be funny (I believe most things have a chance to be funny) but the way it was done was completely tasteless.

Also, the writer of the website isn't American as was stated on the website so you're not really getting back at him with your pearl harbor and 9/11 comments.

He was obviously writing with a pro-American bias. A huge one. He said that the American soldiers shouldn't of wore condoms so they could improve the French bloodline. Obviously he has pretty strong feelings for the USA. No idea how you can't comprehend that.

I honestly do not know the details,

Yeah I could tell that early in, especially when you started trying to suggest that Italy defeated France in the Italian Wars! Mental, hey?

Which leads directly to your ending comments. You live in the UK and as I understand it American on UK friendly fire is a running joke there.

Well I've only lived in England for two years but I have never heard a joke on that. Not in person nor in the media. So I'm going to have to say you're wrong there.

And no, it's not the same as the USA's views on the French because it isn't as widespread. It isn't taken as "fact" everywhere you go. It doesn't reduce the rich history of a culture down to sheer lies.

Of course the USA gets fun poked at it. The person on top always gets teased. You wouldn't believe some of the things I have seen people do to Americans - so trust me, I know that both sides are as bad as each other. However I'm not debating that. I'm debating one issue here. One issue that has somehow (through crappy websites like this one) stuck into popular thought and become "truth". I hate it when that happens. It really winds me up and I will always defended the reality of the matter - regardless of who it is. I've defended the USA before and hell, I'm defending the French here. I lost family members and friends to their warfare.

, but it all worked out in the end for me because I love these kinds of discussions. Thank you.

I just found your attitude incredibly disrespectful and ignorant. I hope you take some of what I (and other people who are more intelligent than me) say on board. I apologise if I didn't understand how downright funny it all is.

 

[Merkavar]

quantity has a quality all of its own.

What has history highlights shown people though? Quality usually comes out at top, I constantly hear about such and such defeated an army 3x-5x-10x as big as them because of better tactics and better weaponry.

quality usually comes out on top. so sometimes it doesnt. like say when your outnumbered 2 to 1?

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

Man I hope the Germans don't play a part in it. 3 for 3 would just be terrible.

They have too because they are the geographic center of Europe.
OT:I think that Eventually the whole middle east thing will blow the fuck up. I mean Israel is capable of producing nukes (do they have any yet?) and Iran is well on the path to them. Eventually the Arab countries are gonna say ok, this time for real we're gonna kill Israel. And then Israel will nuke Iran to stop it from nuking them. And then the UN will get involved and won't do shit. and then America will back up Israel and one or two of the powers will say Fuck that and back the Arabs. Then ground battles wil ensue and the nukes will fly and then BOOOOOOOOMMMMMM no more Earth. Or Fallout

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

quantity has a quality all of its own.

What has history highlights shown people though? Quality usually comes out at top, I constantly hear about such and such defeated an army 3x-5x-10x as big as them because of better tactics and better weaponry.

quality usually comes out on top. so sometimes it doesnt. like say when your outnumbered 2 to 1?

I direct both of you to the 6 day war of 1967. Prehaps the most amazing quality over quantity win of all.

 

[Snake Plissken]

America wins.

 

[lacktheknack]

The world will explode, Australia and some research stations will pick up the papers and find out they are the only ones left alive.

 

[lacktheknack]

America wins.

Doubtful. Compare the average American citizen's mindset in World War II versus today.

Eugh. It's disgraceful, plain and simple.