How Far Can A Franchise Push You (Before You Just Quit)?

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PurePareidolia

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Eddie the head said:
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Well, Mass Effect was already on shaky ground after the ludicrous terminator baby in #2, but after 3/s ending, I'm done. Not just with Mass Effect, but with Bioware entirely.
Can someone explain to me how the as he put it "terminator baby" is "ludicrous" but the giant sentient plant that brain washes people is completely on the up an up? I mean look at the two a big ass cyborg. And a plant that somehow grew muscles and is green despite the fact that it lives underground? Oh also it can clone people. I am a little dumb founded that people can give one a pass but the other "Oh it's just ludicrous!" Maybe it's due to it being at the ending so people remember it more but, I still don't get it.
The Thorian gets a pass because it's a weird alien plant thing that at some point evolved to indoctrinate people. This is a sci fi game - if evolution took a weird turn on a distant planet whose to argue? it serves its purpose story and gameplay-wise, so there's no problem.

On the other hand, the terminator baby was made intentionally. Which means one of the super-intelligent reapers thought a great design for a spacecraft/species preservation device was a giant three-eyed terminator. And their plan was to pump the thing full of blended up humans for who knows what reason. First, the thing is horribly ill-suited to space flight from a purely design standpoint, unless it's like a transformer or something. There's just no reason to make it look human, especially when the other reapers are all squid. Second, humans have two eyes - the reapers must have honestly thought humans had three because the head has no other reason to be modelled after a skull than to look human. Third, blending up people is a terrible, terrible way to preserve their collective consciousness in machine form - you're grinding up organs and bones that have nothing to do with the brain, then you're dicing the brain itself and just pumping the resulting slurry into a metal shell. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Why was the thing hanging from easily breakable glass tubes? How was it doing that? Why do the tubes have retracting covers? Assuming it's going to be housed in a squid shell, why do any parts of it have lasers? Why did Sovreign claim that all reapers are 100% machine if they're supposed to be cyborgs? Is it because the mincemeat has no effect on how it runs? If so, why do it in the first place? It raises so many questions and offers up so many plot holes it's mind boggling. The details of the Thorian were irrelevant, but the terminator baby was the entire point of the Collector's plan - it's what we'd been working to stop all along. I mean, even if the thing could work, what's the point? What does it gain that they couldn't get some other way? Why not, instead of abducting thousands of humans to build a new reaper, dedicate their efforts to abducting scientists to figure out how to switch the keepers back to normal? Save a tonne of time and effort, keep it low-key enough that it doesn't attract attention, and just do what they planned in the first game.

Aside from that it just looks comical. It make the reapers seem utterly inept, as if they have no understanding of biology or engineering. Hence, it's ludicrous for it to even be in the game.
 

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lunavixen said:
I'd have to say I'm done with the Resident Evil games and i'm done with the FEAR series, I'm done with new call of Duty Games, and also, modern Sonic the Hedgehog games, why you ask?

Resident Evil:
~The game series has lost its horror, when I played the first one, there was a point i wouldn't go past because I knew I was going to die and I really didn't want to.
~I hated how the game went to the over the shoulder format in resident evil 4 because Leon turned too slowly and there was nothing worse than surviving a longish fight by the skin of your teeth only to get blindsided by an enemy you couldn't see through Leons fat head.
~Resdient Evil 5 overall was just so ehh. I kept finding excuses to put it down because I was just so bored, The story was rather convoluted and you could easily predict what was going to happen.
~The demo for Resident Evil 6 was just so disappointing.

FEAR:
~For a game that tried to promote fear in people they did a lousy job of it
~Trying to get into the storyline is like trying to tackle the universe made of string theory
~Stripping away the pretentions of horrow and it's merely a competent third person shooter

Call of Duty:
~After I think Call of Duty 4, the game has just become so samey and as of Black Ops the single player is... lacking, at best.
~Sacrificing Single player in favour of multiplayer was never going to win it any points with me.
~How many more third person war games do we need!? You can't go into any shop without tripping over at least 3.

Sonic:
~My biggest gripe is with the 3D Sonic games, trying to control Sonic at high speed in 3D is impossible, it was best in the 2D games.
~It's Dr. Robotnik, not Dr. Eggman
I assumed it was a typo at first, but it happens two times...

Why you keep calling Call of Duty/FEAR "THIRD person shooters"? It just intriges me lol.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Well FF13 kinda killed Final Fantasy for me... something about it's design more than the plot and characters that really rubbed me the wrong way , Square is going to have to show that they've put some serious thought into improving the next Final Fantasy if they expect me to buy it.

Other than that though I can't say any series has really been "killed" for me... though I guess Resident Evil 5's Co-Op Focus kinda made me lose interest in Resident Evil...
 

darthmj94

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I stayed with command and conquer longer then most people. I even gave tiberiam twilight a chance and thought it was alright, nothing special, but I always welcome change to a formula. I also liked red alert 3, and tiberiam wars, although they were nothing compared to my favorites, Red alert 2, and generals. So when I first saw the generals 2 trailer I was excited that the generals story was getting a long awaited continuation. Then EA announced that it would be free to play and feature no single-player story. I never felt betrayed by a franchise until then, and out right lying to people saying that they would "listen to the community" and change it as they go dose not help, because if they were listening they would launch the game properly with a full single player campaign. Needles to say I will not be playing generals 2, and I think it is time to put this particulate franchise to bed.
 

Ieyke

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How far can a franchise push me?
You me like how far did Star Wars go before I said "screw this nonsense"?

I got fed up with Star Wars after Revenge Of The Sith. Not BECAUSE OF RotS. I was okay with the movies.
The Clone Wars show, the Force Unleashed games, The Old Republic.....just infinite rehashing and dragging Star Wars all over the place until I just didn't care anymore. I just DON'T care anymore.
 

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I've never really had this experience. Partially because I know to temper my expectations, unlike a lot of people here seem to do...

I don't get the bile against Square for Final Fantasy XIII-2 and -3, Call of Duty, and the Assassin's Creed games (Or other franchises that interrupt their numbered series in sub-numbered sequels)... If you don't want to spend more time on a particular story (Regardless of whether you enjoyed the original or not), but like the main series itself, wait for the next numbered game instead of impatiently bitching about the spinoffs. Yes, games tend to be made in trilogies or series. Doesn't mean you have to continue buying the games of a particular subfranchise.

Liked Call of Duty 4, but didn't want to waste time on Modern Warfare 2 and 3? Wait for Call of Duty V and VI instead. Think Ezio Auditore's been done to death? Stop buying Assassin's Creed 2 games and wait for 3. Don't like Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII? Wait for Final Fantasy XIV instead of pissing yourself off over your own stupidity.

If you're getting fatigued by a series that you'd otherwise enjoy, let it go for a while.
 

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Ghost Recon. I bought a collector's edition of the first game a few years back and played the hell out of the original. Played through all the expansions too, although it got a little "same-y". Made the jump to Advanced Warfighter and thought it was decent, but forgettable.

AW2 seemed to be capitalizing on the Call of Duty craze, and I thought it was a waste of time (to the point that I can barely remember the plot of either game). I never picked up Future Soldier, and I don't regret it. Watched a playthrough online and had to be told that Captain Mitchell showed up in the first mission briefing - that's how little I cared for anything related to it.
 

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I wouldn't say I'd ever completely give up on a series, as I try to judge every game by the game itself not a franchise, sonic released a slew of crap games before getting a good one but that didn't stop me from enjoying Sonic Colors when it finally did get it right.
 

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Well, Kingdom Hearts has already been mentioned, but I'll explain what killed it for me. I stayed with the series up till Kingdom Hearts 3D.
The series started simply enough, battle the forces of darkness on various Disney worlds. Silly, but fun and functional. Since then the series has just become so enveloped in it's convoluted mythology and plot threads that it's starting struggle under their weight and much of the original charm has been lost. The thing that ended it for me though is that by now the many, *many* plot twists that come with each installment aren't even consistent with each other anymore.
To me, there's no real point in getting invested in a series that cares more about plot twists and shocking turns than actually telling a cohesive story.
 

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Call of Duty and Sonic the Hedgehog would be my two examples.

I loved World at War with an unconditional love but then the online multiplayer was hit with a nuclear winter and plus somebody hacked me to have negative two billion experience points so I'm not able to play on it anymore even if I wanted to.

I also liked Black Ops quite a bit. Then I realized that I didn't really want to keep spending money on the exact same experience every time simply spray painted a different color.

As for Sonic, I adore the side-scrolling games and liked the two Sonic Adventures because I thought pushing it into 3D was a pretty bold idea and I wanted to see what they could do with it. Then I experienced a bit of Sonic 2006 and Secret Rings. And I was all "nope".

[sub]Dear Lord it's like I'm the king of run-on sentences...[/sub]

Andy Shandy said:
Also if Assassin's Creed hadn't changed protagonist this time I would've given up on it, but thankfully it did.
I also agree with this.
 

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aguspal said:
lunavixen said:
I'd have to say I'm done with the Resident Evil games and i'm done with the FEAR series, I'm done with new call of Duty Games, and also, modern Sonic the Hedgehog games, why you ask?

Resident Evil:
~The game series has lost its horror, when I played the first one, there was a point i wouldn't go past because I knew I was going to die and I really didn't want to.
~I hated how the game went to the over the shoulder format in resident evil 4 because Leon turned too slowly and there was nothing worse than surviving a longish fight by the skin of your teeth only to get blindsided by an enemy you couldn't see through Leons fat head.
~Resdient Evil 5 overall was just so ehh. I kept finding excuses to put it down because I was just so bored, The story was rather convoluted and you could easily predict what was going to happen.
~The demo for Resident Evil 6 was just so disappointing.

FEAR:
~For a game that tried to promote fear in people they did a lousy job of it
~Trying to get into the storyline is like trying to tackle the universe made of string theory
~Stripping away the pretentions of horrow and it's merely a competent first person shooter

Call of Duty:
~After I think Call of Duty 4, the game has just become so samey and as of Black Ops the single player is... lacking, at best.
~Sacrificing Single player in favour of multiplayer was never going to win it any points with me.
~How many more first person war games do we need!? You can't go into any shop without tripping over at least 3.

Sonic:
~My biggest gripe is with the 3D Sonic games, trying to control Sonic at high speed in 3D is impossible, it was best in the 2D games.
~It's Dr. Robotnik, not Dr. Eggman
I assumed it was a typo at first, but it happens two times...

Why you keep calling Call of Duty/FEAR "THIRD person shooters"? It just intriges me lol.
you're right, that should have said first person, it was two in the morning when I typed that post, wasn't thinking properly, thats why the list isn't longer... fixed
 

snekadid

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Franchises... not a whole lot... I mean after the recent crap I've sworn off bioware which were the exception to my ban on EA games before ME3 but franchises....

I guess final fantasy and kingdom hearts. I was a big final fantasy fan, played them all including the ones they refused to release here until like 10 years later, but 12 killed it for me, it was so lack luster and boring and it made me realize that i either just wasn't interested anymore or they had decided to stop caring. I bought FF13, preordered it even, and it still sits in my shelving unit in its plastic wrap where I left it because i bought it because i felt the need to check out the work of one of my old fav developers but never worked up the urge to play it.

Kingdom hearts they just took too long to actually make a new game, I was a massive fan of the series but they have been pulling the same crap anime pulls to try and pad more seasons in before they have to add to the actual story by releasing garbage that doesn't add more to the series as a whole so unless kingdoms hearts 3 comes out for a system I own and it gets rave reviews I think I'm done there.

Now if SE wants to make more tactics Ogre games and release them here I will be absolutely thrilled, but those 2 series are basically dead to me.

Edit: ok I can understand people being less than thrilled with FEARS recent games but common, FEAR was a great game, they just worked on the parts that weren't that great and neglected the parts we really liked..... fuck you regenerating health....
Upon review it looks like alot of people didn't read the title and are just talking about series they never liked, this thread is about a franchise you liked that did something to turn you off.
 

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I've never really had a bad experience with it, but the Assassin's Creed series. I'm a major fan of the series and played 1,2, and Brotherhood for many, many hours. After I finished that, though, I was really just done with Ezio. I loved Brotherhood, but I couldn't bring myself to play Revelations. I am excited about 3, however.
 

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When I love a series, I can become very critical of it but I never give up on it entirely. For example, Animal Crossing... the DS sequel was a little bit disappointing (mostly just from the lack of real-world holidays, and the technical limitations of the system), but I figured that a third game on the more-powerful Wii couldn't possibly go wrong! Oh, just how wrong I was...

How can a game be so utterly derivative, yet be so much worse than the first game? I swear it's like they didn't even want to make it, because the effort and creativity are just NOT THERE.

And yet, they really seem to be going in the right direction with the 3DS game. It's bringing back features that I haven't seen since the first one, and adding a lot of new stuff that actually seems inspired and isn't just repackaging of previous content (I'm looking at you, "city"). I'm so impressed with what I've seen that I'm definitely pre-ordering the game.

And if I do get burned again? I'll just get more critical, and be more hesitant to buy the next one. I'm a forgiving individual, but I can be discriminating when it really counts.
 

Hero in a half shell

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Command and Conquer. Played the original and Red Alert at friends houses when I was about 8 on the original Playstation, got Tiberium Sun when I was about 12 and played it to death, bought Red Alert 2, even got C&C Renegade when it came out, and most recently Tiberium Wars. They all had their flaws, but the good points always far outweighed them.

Then C&C 4 came out with no base building (the best freaking part!) and I watched in horror as everyone lambasted everything about it. C&C RA3 got a lot of flack as well, so I didn't bother with them, and now EA announced the future will be multiplayer orientated free-to-play e-sports.

Well, we had a good run.
Goodbye, Commander.

Also I was unable to follow the Halo Franchise after 2 because they moved onto the 360 and Microsoft refused to port them to PC, which I'm quite bitter about because I loved them.
 

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I've been pushed to the brink by Mass Effect. Bioware recently said that they're not done with the series. The new one has to be lights out, or I'm done with it.

Same with Uncharted: Uncharted 3 was probably the biggest letdown game I've played. It was basically Uncharted 2's long expansion pack.
 

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Borderlands DLC Secret Armory of General Knoxx. I had a good time and got some kickass stuff there. And ya know what? I'm done. I don't want to start another round of murder spree 101 with a pea shooter.
 

Joabbuac

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2 times, 2 bad games and the next few ill get on a discount...same with devs from a certain dev.