How far should "It's my body, I can do what I want" go?

[Eldarion]

You SHOULD be able to do almost anything you want with your own body. But when you pregnant, it's not just YOUR body now is it?

Bingo.

This is my stance exactly.

 

[4fromK]

IMO, if a German dude wants to find a guy on the internet and participate in the ritual cannibilisation of his own body like happened a few years ago, its well within his rights to do so - Hes not hurting anybody else, its his life to end, and his body to fuck with. (and yes, I agree with Radelade in that pregnancy doesn't feature much in my morality, but thats because I'm a man and I don't really think its in my rights to make a sweeping statement regarding women - same reason I don't have an opinion on abortion - Im never gonna have to squeeze one out, so I get no say)

EDIT: hah, ok I just read the original post - I thought the whole pregnancy thing was a tangent, not the original focus, I was just responding to the title.
the thing with this case is, theres not enough details. She presumably intends to carry the baby to term, or she would have aborted before 6.5 months. She probably knows drinking is harmful to her foetus, but to what extent she may not be aware, depending on her level of education, the culture she lives in, etc. Presumably, if she knows full well the damage shes doing, and she intends on having the baby, shes gonna have to suffer through the trauma of misscarriage, or delivering a pretty fucked up baby, so her karmic debt seems pretty square to me.
also, one thing to consider is that it could have been a joke, she could have been exagerating how much she drank (so many teenage girls I know are all "TEEHEEHEE I'M SO DRUNK" after having half a beer) her account could have been hacked, or any number of things.
Obviously if it is what it looks like its far from Ideal, but I stand by my above statement that I'm not in any position to judge her for it; indeed, most people aren't really. /Unless you've carried a baby to term while battling alcoholism and staying sober. In which case, yeah, feel free to look down apon her a little I guess. The rest of you fuckers can pack that shit in.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

You SHOULD be able to do almost anything you want with your own body. But when you pregnant, it's not just YOUR body now is it?

This really =/
Cant say anymore than that

Pretty much this. Really it's the fetus's body now, and will be until it's born (or until the mother miscarries/has an abortion, should that be the case).

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

"It's my body, I can do what I want" applies to anything and everything. You should THINK about what you're doing to your body, especially in cases where you're pregnant and such but it's still your own body. People can pass whatever judgement they want too but it's not going the change the mind of that woman or whoever has that mentality.

Thank you for assuming I'm pro-life from a comment that's unrelated. Fun fact, I'm not. However, if you're going to carry the child to term anyway, you should avoid fucking it up before it's even born.

 

[lacktheknack]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

According to YOU. Don't be so inflammatory.

Anyways, at six and a half months, it's pretty damn clear she wants it. Should she be putting a baby she clearly wants at risk?

 

[xidphel]

I'm allowed to clench my fingers into a fist and fling it in the direction of your face! All you have to do is get out of the way!

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

Let your think tank do the work and if that don't happen then experience the mental bashing of stupidity

 

[TeeBs]

Let me sum up my opinion this way. Abortion is ok but risking your unborn child to be born into a life in which he will probably wish he was dead most of the time is just wrong. I don't particularly like my life, but I couldn't imagine living with any form of disability, and if my mother was the cause of this disability I would rather be dead.

really? Why?

Why what? if you are referring to the "rather be dead" comment. I am ok with any misery I bring onto myself, if I drink myself into a coma and then I wake up and now I have a mental disability I could live with that. If I am being punished for something I didn't do I would be filled with so much anger and a sense of victumalization *Im sure theres a better word I just can't think of it* that I just couldn't deal with it.

 

[Radelaide]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

According to YOU. Don't be so inflammatory.

Anyways, at six and a half months, it's pretty damn clear she wants it. Should she be putting a baby she clearly wants at risk?

I'm not being inflammatory. I'm stating an opinion that is also shared by a lot of med students/doctors/nurses/etc I know as well. Until it takes it's first breath, it's not a person, it's a parasite.

If she wants it, she'd probably be sober and not off her face. Again, the point of it being a human being guilt could be why she's keeping it. But no one knows the circumstances.

 

[Eldarion]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

People in favor of abortion have to use ass backwards logic to make themselves believe we shouldn't treat a human fetus as a living thing in order to feel justified killing it. True fucking fact.

See how easy it is for me to hyperbole you back? Wanna try calming down and discussing it like a civilized person?

 

[lacktheknack]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

According to YOU. Don't be so inflammatory.

Anyways, at six and a half months, it's pretty damn clear she wants it. Should she be putting a baby she clearly wants at risk?

I'm not being inflammatory. I'm stating an opinion that is also shared by a lot of med students/doctors/nurses/etc I know as well. Until it takes it's first breath, it's not a person, it's a parasite.

If she wants it, she'd probably be sober and not off her face. Again, the point of it being a human being guilt could be why she's keeping it. But no one knows the circumstances.

Calling a popular opinion "bullshit" and declaring your own as the only sane one ("true fucking fact") is inflammatory. No getting around that.

But anyways, the far more likely version of the story is that she genuinely hasn't connected "alcohol" to "danger to baby". People accidentally do incredibly stupid things all the time (like drinking until you can't stand, for instance).

 

[Kortney]

I believe it should go all the way.

However I do draw the line with pregnancy. Because that's when it stops being "your" body and becomes someone else's too.

 

[Radelaide]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

People in favor of abortion have to use ass backwards logic to make themselves believe we shouldn't treat a human fetus as a living thing in order to feel justified killing it. True fucking fact.

See how easy it is for me to hyperbole you back? Wanna try calming down and discussing it like a civilized person?

Yep, righto. Yes, I'm in favour of abortion. I also believe that people who think that a foetus that is a living, breathing human being are naive.

Apply my logic to the situation: She's almost 7 months pregnant but drinking heavily when she would have been talked through all the risks of consuming alcohol while carrying. Now, does that child have any chance of being born without a severe medical condition? Very unlikely. Should this woman have aborted a child that she (in this context) probably doesn't want? Yes.

If she wanted to abort, she may not have felt comfortable? Ever seen Juno?

It's utter rubbish to believe that a foetus is a proper person while it's still in the womb.

 

[Damura]

So we can terminate an unborn child's life but we can't drink too much?

If you want to keep the child then drinking is a bad idea...

It doesn't make any sense to me that people could drink alcohol AND want a child at the same time. It seems like common sense to me that you'd have to choose one or the other (assuming you know about the risks..). I mean no parent should want to harm their child, right?

 

[bushwhacker2k]

It's a hard thing to define limits for, honestly. Because sometimes people like to push the limits or try new things, but then sometimes people have psychological problems that are subtle and difficult to be aware of.

Some things are somewhat obvious: Stop cutting your wrists, darn it >:|, Stop drinking tons of alcohol and doing drugs when you're pregnant >:|, etc.

 

[StBishop]

Of course it should be illegal. I'm all for self-abuse and all (it IS your body, it's yours to do with as you see fit) but parents effectively give up certain rights in order to gain others. This includes not being able to binge for nine measly fucking months while a future-human GROWS IN YOUR STOMACH.

In return, you gain the right to raise that human and teach it as you were taught.

Slippery slope and all that.

There needs to be better education. Not litigation.

I can't stand the idea of women drinking while pregnant but it's not my body, I think they should have the right to drink, I also think that when they do so everyone should be disgusted.

 

[JezebelinHell]

I know women have been taken to court over such things in the past. I am unsure as to the legality of it. Apparently WI has laws to cover such things.

http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2010/48/48.01.html (48.01(1)(am))

Yea, I wish there was some sort of fitness test for parenting but some children seem to excel with the worst offenders and others fail with the best. Not giving your child the best chance to start with is terrible and regardless of what her family says, it reflects on her. Hopefully, someone is close enough, knowledgeable enough about the situation and cares enough to bring it to the attention of someone that can do something about it if their are legal codes to cover it where she is.

 

[Eldarion]

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

People in favor of abortion have to use ass backwards logic to make themselves believe we shouldn't treat a human fetus as a living thing in order to feel justified killing it. True fucking fact.

See how easy it is for me to hyperbole you back? Wanna try calming down and discussing it like a civilized person?

Yep, righto. Yes, I'm in favour of abortion. I also believe that people who think that a foetus that is a living, breathing human being are naive.

Apply my logic to the situation: She's almost 7 months pregnant but drinking heavily when she would have been talked through all the risks of consuming alcohol while carrying. Now, does that child have any chance of being born without a severe medical condition? Very unlikely. Should this woman have aborted a child that she (in this context) probably doesn't want? Yes.

If she wanted to abort, she may not have felt comfortable? Ever seen Juno?

It's utter rubbish to believe that a foetus is a proper person while it's still in the womb.

Care to explain WHY you think its rubbish? I'm pretty sure its a living thing.
You want me to think about her feeling comfortable? She felt comfortable having sex didn't she? She made the choice to get pregnant. She has no right to drown her child in alcohol because she is "feeling uncomfortable" about that choice. That child does not deserve to be born damaged because some dumb bimbo cannot use protection like a responsible adult.

 

[Luke5515]

It's my body and I can do what I want should extend to anything from piercings to suicide.
And even if there is a child, it's her child, and if she wants to drink it into some horrible conditions, I suppose that's her choice to make, no matter how dumb.
This is why a parenting license would be great. If only we could find some way to make it work without infringing on everyone's rights.