How far should "It's my body, I can do what I want" go?

[Twad]

This includes not being able to binge for nine measly fucking months while a future-human GROWS IN YOUR STOMACH..

Are you confusing a human baby with an Alien Queen chestbuster?
Cuz humans don't work that way.
Then again, the other option is more spectacular.

On topic - Your body is yours, but when pregnant you have to take the responsability that it is no longer only your life on the line.

 

[jaketheripper]

Currently on a 'popular' (not to be named) website, someone stumbled across a woman posting on facebook that she had enough vodka and coke's that she couldn't drink anymore or she wouldn't even be able to walk.

This is all well and good, except for the fact that she's 6.5 months pregnant. Many people expressed their disgust on her page or by messages, all the while her friends and family keep posting retaliatory messages supporting her and saying how good of a mother she IS and WILL be.

It astounds me people could be this stupid, never mind the fact her friends and family are supporting her choices to drink and having the gall to actually say she will make a good mother. This just screams of selfishness and idiocy, regardless of it being legal or not.

Right off the CDC's website: "Is it okay to drink when pregnant?"

No. There is no safe level of alcohol use during pregnancy. Women who are pregnant or plan on becoming pregnant should refrain from drinking alcohol.16 Several conditions, including Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders have been linked to alcohol use during pregnancy. Women of child bearing age should also avoid binge drinking to reduce the risk of unintended pregnancy and potential exposure of a developing fetus to alcohol.

I have little doubt she would say it's her body and she can do what she wants due to her blatant lack of regard for her future child, but should this not be illegal? You aren't just one anymore. This argument also has roots in things like abortion but for the sake of this, let's try to keep it on the alcohol.

Yea, i agree with the statement that its not just her body anymore, if she plans on bringing a baby into this world then she needs to be responsible with how she acts. That baby is going to be deformed and have a miserable life. (most likely)

off topic:i was prepared for a body modification argument, lol

 

[jaketheripper]

I had this whole thing about how this ties directly to abortion until I read the last sentence. But really I can't think of a way to justify this either way until somebody can prove whether or not a fetus is "alive."
I think the bigger issue here is whether or not we want somebody stupid enough to post on the internet that they are intentionally harming their unborn child having kids at all.

She plans on bringing it into this world, it doesnt matter if its alive at the time, binge drinking will have an effect on the baby regardless(im pro-choice btw) just sayin

 

[norwegian-guy]

You should be allowed to do pretty much anything to your body. But to drink while pregnant is affecting the fetus -> childs body. That is what does it so immoral that she should be arrested for childabuse, even before the chil is actually born.
There is also the limit set by the law. I other words, NO illegal substance. I don't care if it's less hazardous then cigarettes and yadayada, if it's illegal it's illegal.

 

[NLS]

You SHOULD be able to do almost anything you want with your own body. But when you pregnant, it's not just YOUR body now is it?

This really =/
Cant say anymore than that

Pretty much this. Really it's the fetus's body now, and will be until it's born (or until the mother miscarries/has an abortion, should that be the case).

Until a baby is born, it is a parasite that feeds off a host. The "It's a living human being" is bullshit and made to guilt mothers into carrying full term when maybe they shouldn't. True fucking fact.

"It's my body, I can do what I want" applies to anything and everything. You should THINK about what you're doing to your body, especially in cases where you're pregnant and such but it's still your own body. People can pass whatever judgement they want too but it's not going the change the mind of that woman or whoever has that mentality.

Whil I'm for abortion and the fact that an unborn child is not "alive". But if that baby does get born, and is born with defects that are caused by the mother, then that's not okay with me.
Killing off an unborn life (abortion, in scary language) is okay with me, but fucking up a future life is not okay.

 

[Eri]

PS. Your avatar is cute as always :3

Thanks. Yours too =0

 

[Solon_Mega]

You SHOULD be able to do almost anything you want with your own body. But when you pregnant, it's not just YOUR body now is it?

Its just not fair when someone aces something this early in the thread is it?

 

[Nutcase]

Seems fair to me. She'll be the one who has to raise the child...she'll be the one who has to cope with her own alcoholism.

If only, LOL.

Chances are if the child is born with FAS, the child will be abandoned by the mother or has to be taken away by the state, ending up in an institution or adopted. And then, of course, Mommy will be free to boink some more people, grab some more drink, and plop out more children that she has permanently fucked up before they even open their eyes (*). Even if she stayed with the child, she is not likely to pay any significant portion of what the child's health care will end up costing.

The estimated cost of an average FAS person to the taxpayers - that is, how much we pay for Mommy's god-given right to drink while having sex without birth control - is in the region of $1 million USD. I did a quick search and saw estimates between $800,000 and $1.5 million.

Sure, the kid could have a better life if it isn't born with a malformed brain, but I don't think it will truly understand the difference either way.

Wrong. FAS causes a wide range of disabilities. The most high-functioning people with FAS are even able to hold jobs. Most of them will understand what their mothers did, and what kinds of things they are unable to do that are expected of a normal person.

http://pregnancy.emedtv.com/fetal-alcohol-syndrome/living-with-fetal-alcohol-syndrome.html

(*) Not hyperbole. Women really do get themselves pregnant and drink even after having already birthed one or more FAS children.

 

[Nutcase]

This isn't really her body though, so the OPost and title don't match.

It would be considered her body, if she was aborting the child. Which makes the issue not absolutely clear-cut. Still, I don't see any other option than forced treatment for the "mom". Either she has to stay sober or get an abortion. If she won't do either, she needs to be supervised and prevented from drinking until birth; this probably means she has to be confined into an institution of some kind. That's drastic but better than allowing so much harm to the child.

 

[punkrocker27]

As far as you want so long as you're not hurting someone else, obviously.

 

[AgentDarkmoon]

I don't get the abortion/pro life debate here. Regardless of whether or not you think a fetus is a person, this person is going to give birth to the baby, and then everyone will feel that it is a person/alive. That baby that IS going to be born is going to be fucked up by her decisions while it's in her womb, you cannot debate about that.

I almost feel as though situations like this fall under child abuse. Because that fetus is going to be a child (third trimester abortion? I think not. perhaps a miscarriage, if anything), and that child is going to be hurt and permanently messed up by her bad judgement. If she's the sort who drinks heavily while pregnant, I don't have a bright outlook for the future of the child either.

Is anything going to get done about it? No. Too many people want complete freedom for there to be limits placed, and the government sure as hell isn't going to put bars on an industry that makes them so much money. There's not a lot anyone can do outside of make her feel shitty about herself, and even then if her family supports these terrible decisions it's not going to have that great of an impact.

 

[Karma168]

She can get as shit faced as she wants, screw the kid!

Seriously though when that kid is born with foetal alcohol syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome) she should not be allowed to pawn him/her off on the state, she should be made to take proper care of them; all her friends claimed she would be a brilliant mum so let her prove it.

 

[Meowshi]

She can get as shit faced as she wants, screw the kid!

Seriously though when that kid is born with foetal alcohol syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome) she should not be allowed to pawn him/her off on the state, she should be made to take proper care of them; all her friends claimed she would be a brilliant mum so let her prove it.

Yeah that kid having a terrible life is totally worth it just to give this woman a lesson!

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I'm up for people being able to do whatever they want with their body so long as it doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't want to be hurt. It's their body, they can do what they want with it etc, etc. You want to fuck your life over by doing a bunch of drugs till you can't think straight, fine, but don't complain about the consequences.

I'm not for what this woman did though. While the argument still continues on when you people a human being, I pretty much ignore that for the fact that it will become a human being. And she's fucking it up before it even has the chance to become one. Which is why she should be punished in my opinion, preferably by taking away the baby and her rights to it when it's born (she obviously is a horrible parent, lets snip this tragic story in the bud).