How many kids do you want, and is it immoral to have more than 2 kids? Bonus: what names?

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mechanixis

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I'll probably end up having one kid. Give them some fancy, out-of-style name like Elaina or Leon or Jack.

I imagine I'd endeavor to raise them to be incredibly reasonable.
 

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Three is a good number. You assume that one will make a stupid descision and kill themself, which scares the other two into being sensible human beings. Then it isn't immoral. And if you raise them right, you are putting 3 reasonable, rightminded people out in the world to come up with a better solution than everyone stop procreating. Especially since really retarded people seem to make it their mission to knock up as many chicks as possible, the world could use some people capable of intelligent thought. Seriously, has anyone here seen Idiocracy? We do not want that to happen.
I was going to mention that movie, but you beat me to it.


I think having 2 kids would be fine, as long as you make them think a little bit.
 

SimuLord

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Number 1: I want one child, preferably a son, whom I would name Dave. If a daughter, I'd let the kid's mother have free choice as long as she didn't come up with a stripper name or something.

Number 2: You think the world is overpopulated? Fuck you. When the time comes to reduce the world's population, you go first. Everybody has equal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with having as many children as a family can support with its financial and emotional resources.

That having been said, some people really need to be gently persuaded to sew their vaginas shut or cut off their balls. Octomom, Jon and Kate, and the rest of the freak shows on reality TV aren't doing anyone any favors.
 

jamesworkshop

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I don't think its immoral and I want as many kids as possible so 3 would probably be the maximum unless i start making millions or marry someone who does.
Names who knows I can't think of any particular names oonly concern is that they don't have the same initals as the parents
 

LilGherkin

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2 at the most, but my girlfriend would like 3 if we ever got married, we're going to flip a coin on it when that time comes.
 

yoyo13rom

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People actually consider it's immoral to have kids?!(It's nice most of you think this way because the fear of being a bad parent, socially or financially). But this just pisses me off!
Did you chose to be borne? NO! Just because many of you have fucked up lives(or see the world in a pretty blackish way) doesn't mean your kids will end up the same. And take into consideration overpopulation where it actually is in fact(poor countries suffer from this, not rich and prosperous ones)!
Just because you stop having babies, won't diminish the problem, it will just make your countries get overpopulated by old people.

I really don't know why, but this thread really made me lose my temper.
Oh, and for all of you "the world is shit and we are all gonna die anyway": either just go shut up, or just put us all out of our misery, and at least try to nuke the world(or at least part of it)!

OT: One maybe two kids, preferably a boy(Andre or Dan, because of two good friends of mine) and a girl(Alicia- still thinking about it).

P.S(for the mod how will probably suspend/ban me): I hold no grudges, but I do need some time out/away from the Escapist forums.
Good day.
 

Deef

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Only one child.
Slate 'motherfucking' Fistcrunch if male.
Pheonix Cora if female.
 

Mercurio128

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Having too many kids is immoral in the same way as buying a 4x4 is immoral if you live in a city and don't need it. You're adding to the strain on the environment but it's not as if it's a criminal act, just irresponsible. Being able to look after them isn't the issue, it's the added burden on the planet.
The problem is that you can't just tell people that they can't have kids. They'll just go out and deliberately have huge families. Anyway it looks as if world population levels are set to level out in the near future ( India in particular has a declining birth rate in traditionally poorer areas due to increased education, access to prophylactics and women's rights).

Lets just hope science can catch up and allow whatever stable number we end up with to be environmentally sustainable.
 

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Yeah I want kids - with my current girlfriend (of 7 weeks, haha - but we really think we've each found 'the one' so...) once we're married and have stable jobs (she's interested in teaching, and I'm interested in lecturing/the police force).

I'd like to have 3 or 4 - ideally 2 of each. I hated being the only boy (of a family of 3 kids), and some of the names we've picked means that two have to be boys really. I don't think it's immoral - the rate of people that can't have kids is increasing (one of my biggest fears is finding out one of us is infertile - we'll work around it, but it would be a blow to whomever's pride and sense of self-being), and we will not be sponging off the state like many other couples these days (UK).

If people think it's immoral to want 3 or 4 kids because of the environment...fuck them. I'm an environmentally-concerned person and do my best to off-set my impact on the world (difficult, at uni, I admit). Chances are my family would be less of an impact than many others if taught the same way, and why should my/my girlfriend's happiness be curtailed by some arbitrary law/social acceptance? Don't we daemonise China for their policies regarding the limitations imposed on children?
 

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I don't see how it's immoral to have more than two kids, though I reckon four is probably the highest anyone should reasonably go. That said, with current population levels as they are I fully support only having two children or fewer, indeed I wish plenty more parents would stop at one.

Despite that I'm slightly hypocritical, as when I have kids I want to have two. Preferably a son and a daughter. Names would be a bit awkward, since my full name is Trivun Luzaic which is Serbian (despite me never going there or indeed leaving the UK save on holidays). So any kids would have a Serbian surname, and an English first name, which doesn't really fit too well.

That being said, I quite like the names Robert or James for a boy, and Violet, Scarlett or Niamh (pronounced 'Neve') for a girl. Although Niamh is actually an Irish name, I just think it's such a great name though, and I do love the Irish so...
 

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Spectrum_Prez said:
Personally, I don't understand people who want a lot of kids. It's just kinda creepy.
I don't think I could manage any more than two, seeing as my parents are having such a hard time just managing me (financially, mostly).

There's also a moral side to it too. Since we know that the world is going to be way overpopulated in a few decades, it seems we have an obligation to not have too many kids. What's the figure being thrown around? 9 Billion by 2050?

I'm a big fan of adoption for people who want large families, at least it's not putting anything extra into the population.

What do you guys think?

Bonus: what do you want to call your kids?
In fact most couples must have MORE than 2 children for a stable population to correct for how not everyone of their offspring will necessarily have a child. So for every two couples that have 2 kids, one couple should have 3.

2 children per couple only gives a stable population if NO ONE EVER DIES before they reach adulthood and EVERYONE succeeds in having 2 children when that is not how the real world works. Shit happens, people die or get infertile, or wait too long to start having children or they end up in a state that finding a partner is very unlikely.

in fact, there is the theory that it is BAD to have a stable population due to how old people are a far greater burden on society/economy than children, populations need to have a small low level of continuous growth to mitigate the effects of an ageing population.

And yes, our population will keep growing and we will find a way to deal with the increasing burden. Even if it means colonising other planets in the solar system if it REALLY goes that far, of course that is the extreme long term.

the thing is, overpopulation may be the lesser evil compared to population shrinkage, imagine if in a single generation hardly any babies are born, call it a "baby bust" that can have DEVASTATING effects on world economies ans this generation ages, what happens as the previous much larger generation gets old and no longer contribute to the economy yet still need the economy to cater for them? What happens when people are promoted through their jobs only there just aren't enough young people to take over the lower positions.

Just look to china to see some of the problems that can be borne out of trying to reduce population. it is VERY dangerous to try to reduce population faster than it grew to that point.

Many of the job crisis around the world in the 1970's came from the baby Boom generation, far more young people were getting old enough to enter the work force yet the number of jobs had not increased and took years to adapt.
 

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Comte de Frou Frou said:
Tharwen said:
Comte de Frou Frou said:
Spectrum_Prez said:
Wait, so a bunch of people are saying that it's not immoral as long as you can afford to raise your kids. That doesn't address the long-term overpopulation problem though, why not just adopt kids from abroad since that's where most of the overpopulation is happening? That way, you can reduce the number of children brought up in poverty while also having your 'own'.
adopting from abroad doesn't solve an overpopulation issue, it just moves the figures around a little bit. To solve overpopulation you need to encourage family planning and contraception.
Adopting instead of concieving reduces the number of people in the world by 1, so it does help.
No because the family you are adopting from will still continue to have more children, it prelongs the inevitable and I doubt enough people would abstain from having their own to adopt from another country for it to help enough.
That depends on whether you adopt orphans or not.
 

War Penguin

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Unlike a surprising number of people on this site, I like kids. And I just want one. Only one. I don't care if it's a boy or a girl. Only one. I'd be heartbroken if I don't have anyone to carry on my name and I'd be backbroken if I had too many kids to handle. :p

And I don't think it's immoral to have more than two kids. Hell, to a certain extent, it's pretty natural. It is [small](or at least was)[/small] an early survival instinct to populate.

And for names, Michael if it's a boy and Sarah if it's a girl. I'm not too creative on names. :p
 

Samuel Cook

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I want 1, but for some reason I only want a child if I'm a single parent. I suppose it might be so I don't have two people to care for, or I just don't like the idea of someone else having a say on how I raise my child.

If it's a boy I'd give him a youthful name like George or Oliver, and if it's a girl probably Summer.

Also, If I don't have a child by the age of 30 then I wont bother, I hate the idea of not being able to run around with my child. One of my dad's friends who's 60 has just adopted a child of 6. That man will be 72 years old when his son has his 18th birthday, and that's so unfair on the child.
 

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I quite like kids. As I was growing up, my extending family had alot children. I'm the cool uncle/cousin that buys them all the stuff they want and takes them to the cinema when there's something they want to see.

How many? God knows. I've always liked the name Emerson for a boy though. Emily and Natasha are cool names for girls too.

[sup]Oh, christ. I'll probally get enough kids so I can just name all the names I want to.[/sup]
 

Ironic Pirate

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I would probably not have kids, because I'm a forgetful bastard AND I can get very angry at things for no real reason.

I fucking tried to kill a lightswitch yesterday. It was mocking me.
 

Duskwaith

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1 girl and 2 boys id like. The girl id name after a friend ill never forget; Jessica and the two boys Raphael and Dante
 
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I'm not sure I'll have any children, as I'm quite non-commital by nature...and I want my life to be as easy as possible.

I'm not confident in making any "moral" assertions, there would be benefits to having less mouths to feed, though.