How much longer until videogames are accepted as an art form or beneficial to society?

[Auron225]

When its snowing in hell

Okay maybe and hopefully its more possible than that - Id say in a few more generations when the people sitting on top of the world grew up with videogames and understand they dont brainwash you into becoming a psychotic murderer =) Which is mostly us - so when we are the top brass and make it so!

EDIT: Oh, and I dont think there will be "The Game" - no single game or even series of games will change those people's minds as long as things like COD are around. People will think "Well that one is nice but it doesnt make the whole medium an art form". Besides, there isnt a game that everyone is going to enjoy anyway! Every game in creation has a bad review somewhere.

 

[pwnzerstick]

Considering the fact that games have never been in the news except for when its about controversy, I don't think that they would end up caring

 

[Merkavar]

How much longer until Video games are accepted as an art form or beneficial to society? I believe it's not really a time amount but when "The Game" comes out. The one that will revolutionize the Industry and finally show everyone that games should be respected and admired. I believe it's when the best developers, designers, producers, programmers, and everyone else who are the best of the best and come together to make their game, with no attachments to deadlines, monetary limits, or social restrictions, create "The Game" to finally propel this form of media to a level of respect compared to the Mona Lisa in the Louvre.

I did not mention where many necessities will come from like the money because I want the answers to just be pure observation and opinions, not tied to physical limitations.

some of the best paintings in the world werent produced by the best artists with no deadlines or money limits etc. alot of the best artists were poor in their lifetimes. so i guess we will have to wait 200-400 years from now to see if a first edition copy of fallout new vegas sells for 400 million dollars before we can see if they consider it art.

it just seems no one ever appreciates art in its own time, but only after the artist has died and the piece has passed through a few people hands.

 

[Peteron]

They aren't either. Not even in the slightest. Everyone has to understand that they a created as a way to have fun and pass time. You guys think way to deeply on this subject. A video game is JUST a game.

Or maybe you don't think deep enough about them? Do not knock it unless you actually delve into it.

A game is a game! Developers don't attempt to make "works of art, that will most surely benefit society." They try to make money! Think realistically, don't fantasize.

 

[Lullabye]

They aren't either. Not even in the slightest. Everyone has to understand that they a created as a way to have fun and pass time. You guys think way to deeply on this subject. A video game is JUST a game.

And a book is JUST words, and a movie is JUST pictures.
You really don't understand what artistic value is do you?
Though I gotta say, with today's selection of games, it's not hard to see why people like you still exist.

 

[jack583]

i'm working on what i hope will be "the game."
sad part is i can't really see anyone buying the game as the idea is now.
i need to add something to sell the game WITHOUT affecting the main part.
this is not going to be easy.
plus i still have to graduate college first so i can get a job in the games industry.
i'm not sure if my idea for a game will accomplish the goal i'm setting for it, but if it does it could change the veiws of gaming.

here's hoping!

 

[jboking]

They aren't either. Not even in the slightest. Everyone has to understand that they a created as a way to have fun and pass time. You guys think way to deeply on this subject. A video game is JUST a game.

Or maybe you don't think deep enough about them? Do not knock it unless you actually delve into it.

A game is a game! Developers don't attempt to make "works of art, that will most surely benefit society." They try to make money! Think realistically, don't fantasize.

You've never heard of indie developers have you?

Try this on for size: Closure

That is an independently developed and designed game that probably made little to no money, but was still made because the creator had a message they wanted to get across.

If you don't consider flash games 'real' games, you hooty-tooty Escapist you, Try this one: Flower

It isn't market focused, even though it was made for the PSN and developed by an actual company. Instead it was focused on delivering it's message to the player about life and urbanization.

Here's what is amazing: In any industry, you will have those people that are more concerned with pushing the bounds of what their medium can do, rather than being concerned with making a profit. This. Is. Fact.

 

[Mr Godfrey]

A lot of younger people DO see video games as a form of Art (or at least a medium that has a tangible effect on society). There's a supreme court case in the US this year which will legally define the status of Games as Art in America

http://venturebeat.com/2010/10/31/u-s-supreme-court-set-to-hear-video-game-violence-case/

(it's a long ass article. Tl;dr California wants to ban the sale and renting of violent video games to minors, while the video game industry argues it creates art which is constitutionally immune to censorship. example: Statue of Adam's penis) Fingers crossed for enlightenment.

As for "the Game" it's come out in some forms. The medium is still in development, but there have already been artsy games that surpass well known literature as far as artistic elements go. To Kill a Mockingbird didn't do a thing for me, but Mass Effect II (I know it's not the best example) got me to think about religious radicalism differently.

Eventually, arguing that games aren't art will be universally accepted as ignorant. Until then, we'll just have to accept it as ignorant ourselves like the uppity bastards we are.

 

[Piction Froject]

They aren't either. Not even in the slightest. Everyone has to understand that they a created as a way to have fun and pass time. You guys think way to deeply on this subject. A video game is JUST a game.

Or maybe you don't think deep enough about them? Do not knock it unless you actually delve into it.

A game is a game! Developers don't attempt to make "works of art, that will most surely benefit society." They try to make money! Think realistically, don't fantasize.

I am thinking realistically and not fantasizing. You are taking this too literally. I have already tried to tell posters on this thread that you have to go into the subject and really think about it before you make an assumption. Ok you know what i appreciate your opinion but if your just going to not even give any time to actually think about this thread and the same topic your bringing up then don't bash me for it.

 

[DestroytheTyrant]

Games will be accepted as art when gamers stop acting like persecuted bitches all the time.

 

[RatRace123]

Until everyone who wants to "protect the children" is dead.

 

[Piction Froject]

Could we stop bringing up the extinction of a certain generation. Thank you

 

[Gindil]

Seriously, do they need to be? Why not just enjoy them as entertainment and move on?

 

[JackRyan64]

There will be no "Citizen Kane" of gaming. Super Mario Bros, Ocarina of Time, Half-Life, Metal Gear Solid, Portal, Shadow of the Colossus, and a shitload of indie titles have already proven what games can do and be, but if I start talking to an old person about any of those games they won't have any idea what I'm talking about. (With the exception of Mario obviously.)

 

[Dr.Fantastic]

When the video game haters actually play a game that isnt all about violence.(not gonna list the examples because I have some important stuff to do)

 

[LarenzoAOG]

not until there are no more religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots out to cockblock the whole world.

Twill be a cold day in hell my good man (or lady)

And that would be sometime in the past, when I decided that they do and are, and if the U.S. Supreme Court, The Pope, Jesus, Bhudda, my family, your family, or anyone else try to convince me otherwise they can kiss my ass.

 

[UberNoodle]

Answer (and this RE when games are "ACCEPTED", ie by the mainstream): when games are not the pasttime of such a small section of the population, namely, teenage boys to thirty-something men. Sure, other people play games too, but games can not attract universal appeal or appreciation like film, music or other art can. Games as an artform is already narrow, and its genres tend to make its appeal even narrower. SO many of its fans treat games and systems like high performance sports cars. SO many games are never made or appreciated because they lack popular appeal or "cred". Other arts are much more open and pervasive. Games are the product of many arts, but as a whole, they ways to go before they are appreciated as art by people beyond gaming circles.

 

[zehydra]

Why do videogames need to be accepted by anyone other than the people that enjoy playing them?

Things that I require my videogames to be:
-Fun

Things that I do not require my videogames to be:
-Artistic
-Benificial to society

The same is true with any art form though. Take popular music these days for instance: It's an art form, but it isn't terribly artistic (in the sense that it isn't very original), but it's enjoyable to a lot of people.

For art to be art, it doesn't need to be artistic, or beneficial to society, it just has to be enjoyable or appreciatable to somebody.

 

[zehydra]

It'll become appreciated as an art form once our generation is old, I think. (unless it gets banned before then)

 

[Estoki]

Let's see...

Never.

For there will always be old people.