How would gay marriage affect your life?

[Harbinger_]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I.

Illogical is not having a principled reason for what you think, believe, etc. When you believe something but the dots don't connect. It has nothing to do with the human condition. Once again, you choose the bed you lay in now. I don't have to know you, you said enough. You gave your opinion openly, and, on a discussion board, you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your opinions, and when it comes to gay rights, as more people are realizing it's perfectly OK, that most people will not accept your viewpoints as reasonable. By accepting people for who they are, that means you ACCEPT THEM. I mean, duh. You either accept or you don't accept. You don't accept anything, you at the most tolerate. If you think something is wrong, that means you don't accept it as not wrong, use common sense please. What do "they" do? Are you gay? If not, how do you know what is disgusting and what isn't? What is disgusting? I mean, I could talk about how oral sex is EXTREMELY dirty in terms of bacteria, so, is that disgusting? I'm assuming you have had oral, of course. Mouth is the dirtiest part of the body, but I never hear people complaining about that.

So, let's get to the real factor of why you are anti-gay. It's because you were raped as a child. Which is tragic, and I am sorry for you. Still ABSOLUTELY no excuse for your actions now. I'm sorry for what you went through, and clearly are still going through, but you can't just pull that card out and beat me or any gay man over the head with it, and think that absolves you from responsibility of your actions and beliefs. That IS playing the victim card, and you are a victim, but you also aren't going to be allowed to just take advantage of that status. Gay men don't rape kids. People who rape kids are people with an attraction towards kids. That's called PEDOPHILIA. I've in fact talked to SEVERAL people just like you, who are anti-gay, because they were raped as kids. It's damage control. You can't allow that one terrible experience shape your entire view of an entire group of people. That IS illogical and irrational. Because it isn't a principled decision, it's an EMOTIONAL one. You can't say you don't enjoy homosexuality, since you aren't a homosexual, so you are simply making baseless judgments, on one specific thing that happened to you. That isn't logical, sorry. Unlike cocaine, homosexuality harms no-one. You can make all of the comparisons you want. Your entire mindset is inherently wrong in itself, so everything you say will be wrong accordingly. Yes, it is bigoted to think who someone is or what someone does is wrong because of a PERSONAL situation, when what that person is and does doesn't actually affect you or anyone else negatively. No religious book or unfortunate childhood stories change that.

No-one is telling you to shut-up. No-one is forcing you to believe anything. I certainly haven't threatened you. What did I say? Simple. Gay/lesbian people are protected under the constitution from discrimination. You have freedom of speech to say what you believe on this subject. But, you are not protected under freedom of speech laws when it comes to taking responsibility of said speech. Nothing I have said is empty rhetoric. You want paint all gay people with a wide brush because of your tragic experience, OK. And people will call you out and call you a bigot accordingly. If you don't like that, then don't hold positions more and more people see as bigoted. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

You keep thinking in black and white. Heres some more things that'll make your head spin.
I love explosions but don't like loud noises.
I love my friends and family but hate humanity.
I hate heights but love flying.
I am disgusted with celebrity drama but love the idea of being an actor.
I enjoy hunting but hate animal cruelty.
I love pets but would never get a dog.
I enjoy the company of others but love solitude.
I love helping people but hate call centers.
I love the internet but am disgusted by everyone it.

Oh and by the by. Who are you to judge whats right or wrong any more than I am? Who is anyone living on this earth? By what right do they decide for all of us? Its a good thing I don't worship you because otherwise I'd be switching religions. I have my own tastes, my own interests and my own disinterests as well as my own beliefs and disbeliefs as do you and as does everyone else. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you're not going to convince me. You can keep talking but don't expect me to reply. I've said all I need to say and I don't need to explain or justify myself to a faceless entity in front of a computer screen who knows how far away that I will never meet or after this post more than likely have any communication with. I pray that you'll get everything in life that you deserve and nothing more and nothing less.

Typical response of someone putting up a strong front, thinking they have "won" the debate, when instead they are just running away because they cannot defend their position and don't like being disagreed with.

You'll have to tell me what thats like sometime.

 

[101flyboy]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I.

Illogical is not having a principled reason for what you think, believe, etc. When you believe something but the dots don't connect. It has nothing to do with the human condition. Once again, you choose the bed you lay in now. I don't have to know you, you said enough. You gave your opinion openly, and, on a discussion board, you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your opinions, and when it comes to gay rights, as more people are realizing it's perfectly OK, that most people will not accept your viewpoints as reasonable. By accepting people for who they are, that means you ACCEPT THEM. I mean, duh. You either accept or you don't accept. You don't accept anything, you at the most tolerate. If you think something is wrong, that means you don't accept it as not wrong, use common sense please. What do "they" do? Are you gay? If not, how do you know what is disgusting and what isn't? What is disgusting? I mean, I could talk about how oral sex is EXTREMELY dirty in terms of bacteria, so, is that disgusting? I'm assuming you have had oral, of course. Mouth is the dirtiest part of the body, but I never hear people complaining about that.

So, let's get to the real factor of why you are anti-gay. It's because you were raped as a child. Which is tragic, and I am sorry for you. Still ABSOLUTELY no excuse for your actions now. I'm sorry for what you went through, and clearly are still going through, but you can't just pull that card out and beat me or any gay man over the head with it, and think that absolves you from responsibility of your actions and beliefs. That IS playing the victim card, and you are a victim, but you also aren't going to be allowed to just take advantage of that status. Gay men don't rape kids. People who rape kids are people with an attraction towards kids. That's called PEDOPHILIA. I've in fact talked to SEVERAL people just like you, who are anti-gay, because they were raped as kids. It's damage control. You can't allow that one terrible experience shape your entire view of an entire group of people. That IS illogical and irrational. Because it isn't a principled decision, it's an EMOTIONAL one. You can't say you don't enjoy homosexuality, since you aren't a homosexual, so you are simply making baseless judgments, on one specific thing that happened to you. That isn't logical, sorry. Unlike cocaine, homosexuality harms no-one. You can make all of the comparisons you want. Your entire mindset is inherently wrong in itself, so everything you say will be wrong accordingly. Yes, it is bigoted to think who someone is or what someone does is wrong because of a PERSONAL situation, when what that person is and does doesn't actually affect you or anyone else negatively. No religious book or unfortunate childhood stories change that.

No-one is telling you to shut-up. No-one is forcing you to believe anything. I certainly haven't threatened you. What did I say? Simple. Gay/lesbian people are protected under the constitution from discrimination. You have freedom of speech to say what you believe on this subject. But, you are not protected under freedom of speech laws when it comes to taking responsibility of said speech. Nothing I have said is empty rhetoric. You want paint all gay people with a wide brush because of your tragic experience, OK. And people will call you out and call you a bigot accordingly. If you don't like that, then don't hold positions more and more people see as bigoted. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

You keep thinking in black and white. Heres some more things that'll make your head spin.
I love explosions but don't like loud noises.
I love my friends and family but hate humanity.
I hate heights but love flying.
I am disgusted with celebrity drama but love the idea of being an actor.
I enjoy hunting but hate animal cruelty.
I love pets but would never get a dog.
I enjoy the company of others but love solitude.
I love helping people but hate call centers.
I love the internet but am disgusted by everyone it.

Oh and by the by. Who are you to judge whats right or wrong any more than I am? Who is anyone living on this earth? By what right do they decide for all of us? Its a good thing I don't worship you because otherwise I'd be switching religions. I have my own tastes, my own interests and my own disinterests as well as my own beliefs and disbeliefs as do you and as does everyone else. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you're not going to convince me. You can keep talking but don't expect me to reply. I've said all I need to say and I don't need to explain or justify myself to a faceless entity in front of a computer screen who knows how far away that I will never meet or after this post more than likely have any communication with. I pray that you'll get everything in life that you deserve and nothing more and nothing less.

Typical response of someone putting up a strong front, thinking they have "won" the debate, when instead they are just running away because they cannot defend their position and don't like being disagreed with.

You'll have to tell me what thats like sometime.

Take a look in the mirror, and you will have your answer.

 

[101flyboy]

I think people should just let christians and catholics roleplay with their own RPG rulesets.

People being gay doesn't affect me in the slightest. Good luck to them. But don't expect me to not laugh when I see two blokes holding hands because it does look funny.

It's as funny as two women or a man and a woman.

Not to me.

OK, but that doesn't change the fact that in itself, it's no more or less funny than 2 women or a man and a woman getting married. It's just a couple getting married.

It was funny when Shakespeare did it and it has been funny till today.

OK, I think two women getting married and a man and a woman getting married is also funny. Like I said, it's no more or less funny just because two men get married. It's all funny.

 

[Harbinger_]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I.

Illogical is not having a principled reason for what you think, believe, etc. When you believe something but the dots don't connect. It has nothing to do with the human condition. Once again, you choose the bed you lay in now. I don't have to know you, you said enough. You gave your opinion openly, and, on a discussion board, you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your opinions, and when it comes to gay rights, as more people are realizing it's perfectly OK, that most people will not accept your viewpoints as reasonable. By accepting people for who they are, that means you ACCEPT THEM. I mean, duh. You either accept or you don't accept. You don't accept anything, you at the most tolerate. If you think something is wrong, that means you don't accept it as not wrong, use common sense please. What do "they" do? Are you gay? If not, how do you know what is disgusting and what isn't? What is disgusting? I mean, I could talk about how oral sex is EXTREMELY dirty in terms of bacteria, so, is that disgusting? I'm assuming you have had oral, of course. Mouth is the dirtiest part of the body, but I never hear people complaining about that.

So, let's get to the real factor of why you are anti-gay. It's because you were raped as a child. Which is tragic, and I am sorry for you. Still ABSOLUTELY no excuse for your actions now. I'm sorry for what you went through, and clearly are still going through, but you can't just pull that card out and beat me or any gay man over the head with it, and think that absolves you from responsibility of your actions and beliefs. That IS playing the victim card, and you are a victim, but you also aren't going to be allowed to just take advantage of that status. Gay men don't rape kids. People who rape kids are people with an attraction towards kids. That's called PEDOPHILIA. I've in fact talked to SEVERAL people just like you, who are anti-gay, because they were raped as kids. It's damage control. You can't allow that one terrible experience shape your entire view of an entire group of people. That IS illogical and irrational. Because it isn't a principled decision, it's an EMOTIONAL one. You can't say you don't enjoy homosexuality, since you aren't a homosexual, so you are simply making baseless judgments, on one specific thing that happened to you. That isn't logical, sorry. Unlike cocaine, homosexuality harms no-one. You can make all of the comparisons you want. Your entire mindset is inherently wrong in itself, so everything you say will be wrong accordingly. Yes, it is bigoted to think who someone is or what someone does is wrong because of a PERSONAL situation, when what that person is and does doesn't actually affect you or anyone else negatively. No religious book or unfortunate childhood stories change that.

No-one is telling you to shut-up. No-one is forcing you to believe anything. I certainly haven't threatened you. What did I say? Simple. Gay/lesbian people are protected under the constitution from discrimination. You have freedom of speech to say what you believe on this subject. But, you are not protected under freedom of speech laws when it comes to taking responsibility of said speech. Nothing I have said is empty rhetoric. You want paint all gay people with a wide brush because of your tragic experience, OK. And people will call you out and call you a bigot accordingly. If you don't like that, then don't hold positions more and more people see as bigoted. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

You keep thinking in black and white. Heres some more things that'll make your head spin.
I love explosions but don't like loud noises.
I love my friends and family but hate humanity.
I hate heights but love flying.
I am disgusted with celebrity drama but love the idea of being an actor.
I enjoy hunting but hate animal cruelty.
I love pets but would never get a dog.
I enjoy the company of others but love solitude.
I love helping people but hate call centers.
I love the internet but am disgusted by everyone it.

Oh and by the by. Who are you to judge whats right or wrong any more than I am? Who is anyone living on this earth? By what right do they decide for all of us? Its a good thing I don't worship you because otherwise I'd be switching religions. I have my own tastes, my own interests and my own disinterests as well as my own beliefs and disbeliefs as do you and as does everyone else. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you're not going to convince me. You can keep talking but don't expect me to reply. I've said all I need to say and I don't need to explain or justify myself to a faceless entity in front of a computer screen who knows how far away that I will never meet or after this post more than likely have any communication with. I pray that you'll get everything in life that you deserve and nothing more and nothing less.

Typical response of someone putting up a strong front, thinking they have "won" the debate, when instead they are just running away because they cannot defend their position and don't like being disagreed with.

You'll have to tell me what thats like sometime.

Take a look in the mirror, and you will have your answer.

I'm sorry but my mirrors don't talk to me and try to form horrible attempts at comebacks.... Seriously are you just going to continue with this juvenile back and forth you snap a comeback and I snap one too? How about we just settle this like adults. We both have better things to do than attempt to out-smart-ass the other person. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe and we'll both have a problem with each other because not everyone can get along with everyone and not everyone is going to see eye to eye on every subject...

 

[Enemy Of The State]

It would make life better =D

 

[101flyboy]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I.

Illogical is not having a principled reason for what you think, believe, etc. When you believe something but the dots don't connect. It has nothing to do with the human condition. Once again, you choose the bed you lay in now. I don't have to know you, you said enough. You gave your opinion openly, and, on a discussion board, you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your opinions, and when it comes to gay rights, as more people are realizing it's perfectly OK, that most people will not accept your viewpoints as reasonable. By accepting people for who they are, that means you ACCEPT THEM. I mean, duh. You either accept or you don't accept. You don't accept anything, you at the most tolerate. If you think something is wrong, that means you don't accept it as not wrong, use common sense please. What do "they" do? Are you gay? If not, how do you know what is disgusting and what isn't? What is disgusting? I mean, I could talk about how oral sex is EXTREMELY dirty in terms of bacteria, so, is that disgusting? I'm assuming you have had oral, of course. Mouth is the dirtiest part of the body, but I never hear people complaining about that.

So, let's get to the real factor of why you are anti-gay. It's because you were raped as a child. Which is tragic, and I am sorry for you. Still ABSOLUTELY no excuse for your actions now. I'm sorry for what you went through, and clearly are still going through, but you can't just pull that card out and beat me or any gay man over the head with it, and think that absolves you from responsibility of your actions and beliefs. That IS playing the victim card, and you are a victim, but you also aren't going to be allowed to just take advantage of that status. Gay men don't rape kids. People who rape kids are people with an attraction towards kids. That's called PEDOPHILIA. I've in fact talked to SEVERAL people just like you, who are anti-gay, because they were raped as kids. It's damage control. You can't allow that one terrible experience shape your entire view of an entire group of people. That IS illogical and irrational. Because it isn't a principled decision, it's an EMOTIONAL one. You can't say you don't enjoy homosexuality, since you aren't a homosexual, so you are simply making baseless judgments, on one specific thing that happened to you. That isn't logical, sorry. Unlike cocaine, homosexuality harms no-one. You can make all of the comparisons you want. Your entire mindset is inherently wrong in itself, so everything you say will be wrong accordingly. Yes, it is bigoted to think who someone is or what someone does is wrong because of a PERSONAL situation, when what that person is and does doesn't actually affect you or anyone else negatively. No religious book or unfortunate childhood stories change that.

No-one is telling you to shut-up. No-one is forcing you to believe anything. I certainly haven't threatened you. What did I say? Simple. Gay/lesbian people are protected under the constitution from discrimination. You have freedom of speech to say what you believe on this subject. But, you are not protected under freedom of speech laws when it comes to taking responsibility of said speech. Nothing I have said is empty rhetoric. You want paint all gay people with a wide brush because of your tragic experience, OK. And people will call you out and call you a bigot accordingly. If you don't like that, then don't hold positions more and more people see as bigoted. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

You keep thinking in black and white. Heres some more things that'll make your head spin.
I love explosions but don't like loud noises.
I love my friends and family but hate humanity.
I hate heights but love flying.
I am disgusted with celebrity drama but love the idea of being an actor.
I enjoy hunting but hate animal cruelty.
I love pets but would never get a dog.
I enjoy the company of others but love solitude.
I love helping people but hate call centers.
I love the internet but am disgusted by everyone it.

Oh and by the by. Who are you to judge whats right or wrong any more than I am? Who is anyone living on this earth? By what right do they decide for all of us? Its a good thing I don't worship you because otherwise I'd be switching religions. I have my own tastes, my own interests and my own disinterests as well as my own beliefs and disbeliefs as do you and as does everyone else. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you're not going to convince me. You can keep talking but don't expect me to reply. I've said all I need to say and I don't need to explain or justify myself to a faceless entity in front of a computer screen who knows how far away that I will never meet or after this post more than likely have any communication with. I pray that you'll get everything in life that you deserve and nothing more and nothing less.

Typical response of someone putting up a strong front, thinking they have "won" the debate, when instead they are just running away because they cannot defend their position and don't like being disagreed with.

You'll have to tell me what thats like sometime.

Take a look in the mirror, and you will have your answer.

I'm sorry but my mirrors don't talk to me and try to form horrible attempts at comebacks.... Seriously are you just going to continue with this juvenile back and forth you snap a comeback and I snap one too? How about we just settle this like adults. We both have better things to do than attempt to out-smart-ass the other person. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe and we'll both have a problem with each other because not everyone can get along with everyone and not everyone is going to see eye to eye on every subject...

I wasn't being a smart ass, I meant what I said. But yeah, it's probably best we end this here.

 

[TOGSolid]

It wouldn't affect me cause I'm not gay. The only people against gay marriage are non-religious homophobes (definitely a minority of haters) and religious homophoboes (most of the haters). It's easy to justify hate when God says it's alright.

 

[Colour Scientist]

I would be a bridesmaid at a wedding Elton John would think was too flamboyant followed by an afterparty Charlie Sheen wouldn't be able to keep up with.
Come on equal rights!

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

That's fine and dandy, but what's the point of nit-picking my post and trolling when it will achieve no actual discussion? I stated my views, and added that it would be enjoyable to see a group of people filled with nothing but senseless hatred toward gays to see this happen. I didn't just go out and say "I hate Christians so I want gay marriage."

Me trolling? I'm not the one implying that Christians, even in general, are a group of people "filled with nothing but senseless hatred towards gays".

Try to think what trolling means, mate.

Say what you will, but how often do you see a Christian preaching or talking about how God loves gay people? My whole town is 99% Christians that openly say gays will burn in hell. I didn't word my post right; I don't mean that the only thing they have is hatred towards gays (No, they tend to share the hatred with other groups of people too). I meant the only feeling towards gays they have is senseless hatred. I can see how that was misunderstood. But what I said was not a lie or even an exageration, so I do not feel as though I am trolling. And I see now that you aren't either, but can you see where I was coming from?

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

Since you asked for me person opinion and experience; all the time. I live in Australia; moderate as fuck and proud of it, so I don't see people "preaching", well, ever really. Just because there is a group of nutbags where you live doesn't mean you can use the term "Christian" with such generalisation. There are Christians outside the US, you know, and most of us are pretty alright.

I guess I'm just asking for further specificity. The same way you don't say "Muslims want to kill all Westerners" or "Atheists want all religious people gone", you shouldn't say "Christians hate gays". Say "evangelicals" or "fundamentalists" instead, that way you'll be able to avoid offending the 85% of us that are rational

If you truely preach love rather than hate, then maybe I should consider moving to Australia haha.

I should have mentioned that my experiences don't come exclusivly from my home town, that was just an example. Another example, I saw on the news a few months ago, a politician who was in hat water because he was seen in a church talking about how gays are ruining America and that, not only should they not be allowed to get married, but that they shouldn't even be allowed to be gay period. I should also mention that both my parents and every last relative of mine is Christian, and I was raised Christian, so I am not at all ignorant to the religion.

And as for my statement, I see what you mean but I unfortunatly still stand by it. Although there are non-hating Christians such as yourself, the only ones that get attention (TV, internet, newspaper, magazine) are the nutbags that you described. Maybe 85% of Australians are rational, but the OP is talking about the United States in this thread. And here in the US, issues involving homosexuals are HUGE because, like I said, most people here are gay-hating Christians. If that wasn't true, than we would be over this stupid issue already.

 

[SadisticPretzel]

I would love the ability to marry whomever I end up falling in love with, instead of only getting the fancy little piece of paper if I happen to fall in love with a penis owner.

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

Nono, the point is we don't preach anything. We're all pretty lazy over here,

And again, you're judging a world religion on the actions of people in a single country. I don't judge all Asians on the acts of North Korea, do I?

Not to insult you, but you just may be. You know how American Christianity works. American Christianity is, on the whole, fucking bizarre. I mean seriously, those guys are going on about "fearing God" and shit. Since when was God meant to be feared? Noone else fears him. Go to Europe, fuck, go to Mexico. You get hardcore faith there without the CRAZY.

I'm telling you that 85% of Christians are rational, worldwide. I'd hazard a guess that 10% of the irrational ones are all in the US. Again, I'm just asking for specificity, not for you to convert or whatever.

Well, we are in agreement over the state of religion in America . I don't know where that statistic is coming from, but I guess it's just a matter of "one person ruining it for everyone" as in the crazies ruin the image of the religion as a whole. But I digress. We are in agreement over the offical topic of prejudice towards gays, therefore I say mission accomplished.

 

[Frotality]

not in the damn slightest.

really, thats it. i cannot for the life of me consider a situation in my life where it would matter. the few gay people i know arent exactly interested in marriage at the moment...nope, cant think of anything.

 

[wizard_joe88]

Well, I don't know, at the worst, the local news will be filled with angry people who believe "It's against the will of Goooooooddddd!" for a few months, and I don't watch the local news, so...... no, I won't be affected in the slightest.

 

[Mechanix]

How will everyone on the opposite side of the world getting nuked affect you?

It won't. I support gay marriage, but this is a flawed argument.

 

[sclubdevin]

Get married to male friend, watch financial aid (for college) increase.