How would the world look like today if Hitler was never a nazi?

[VuvuZelaMan]

How would the world look today if Adolf Hitler was never a nazi and didn't start WWII?
This a question I recently asked my self and now I would like to know what you think.

The Nazis probably would still have been powerful... Depending on the replacement personality and how the Communists reacted, Germany might have fallen into civil war, like Spain did. Mussolini's Italy would probably still attempt to expand, though he might try to reach north instead.

...I think I'm onto something here. WWII would probably still happen at some point, though not until much later, and not with the same sides. Russia would probably kick things off after allying with Japan (who combined would pwn China, probably kicking Britain into action to protect its colonies) and heading east, Switzerland would be occupied heading off Mussolini (successfully, I'd presume), and the whole thing would be an attempt to stop the Commies, and the US might not even get involved if Japan gets enough from China. France would shore up defenses until they could grab land, most likely. There might be more death from the fighting, but things might turn out better in the long run.

But I don't know. I assume a good bit here, like that Mussolini would be competent enough to not try to attack Africa without Hitler's backing, or that Russia and Japan wouldn't fight OVER China. I'm interested in thinking over this further, but I have to leave now.

 

[hawley788]

No Wolfenstein 3D, no FPS??? Polite 12 year olds and no tea-bagging... oh the HU-MAN-ITY!!!

 

[thecoreyhlltt]

probablly very similar to the way it is now, but there'd be a famous artist name Adolf whose masterpieces would line the walls of some of the most well known art museums.
Because I believe if Hitler hadn't been rejected by the Art Institute of France, WWII could've been avoided.

 

[emeraldrafael]

And Russia would be Russia. We probably wouldnt have had communism, or at least it wouldnt be so wide spread.

We would still have had communism. That was around way before WWII. In fact Russia may have been much more confident, started a war where america would have gotten involved, and been thrashed. Thus preventing the Cold War.

I dont think so. America's policy was isolation and not to get involved too deeply. They would have been fine as in North America, and I dont think Russia wanted to spread Communism that far all that way.

 

[shroomie]

Stephen Fry wrote a book about what would happen if Hitler had never of been born, pretty much the same would have happened in either case. Another influence German who wasnt anti-semitic could have taken control, with the Jewish scientists like Einstein staying in Germany the Germans would have been able to develop Atomic weapons instead of the Allies and they would have won the war.

 

[Isaac The Grape]

And Russia would be Russia. We probably wouldnt have had communism, or at least it wouldnt be so wide spread.

We would still have had communism. That was around way before WWII. In fact Russia may have been much more confident, started a war where america would have gotten involved, and been thrashed. Thus preventing the Cold War.

I dont think so. America's policy was isolation and not to get involved too deeply. They would have been fine as in North America, and I dont think Russia wanted to spread Communism that far all that way.

I actually meant that Russia would get thrashed by the technologically superior America.

 

[Cmwissy]

War between the United States and the British Empire, most likely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

Would've probably turned into a world war.


Who would've sided with who?

 

[Gabbit]

WWI was the cause of WWII, the treaty of Versailles bankrupted Germany for 20 years, Nazism and Hitler were just the response to oppression enforced by the USA and Britain. David Lloyd George is probably as much to blame for WWII as Hitler imo.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

See the C'n'C: Red Alert series, discounting the Red Alert 3, that about sums it up.

 

[Paksenarrion]

If he actually got into art school and became a famous painter, it'd be a very different world. "Among my collection of early Matisses and Renoirs, I have a magnificent piece by Hitler."

See, it just sounds so strange.

This is now my favourite piece of alternative history .

Spoiler: A painting by Hitler

I see now how his mind worked.

Hitler: "I have reached a point in my art where I am satisfied with my work. I need to keep living outside of my comfort zone...what else should I try?"

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

Stephen Fry wrote a book about what would happen if Hitler had never of been born, pretty much the same would have happened in either case. Another influence German who wasnt anti-semitic could have taken control, with the Jewish scientists like Einstein staying in Germany the Germans would have been able to develop Atomic weapons instead of the Allies and they would have won the war.

pretty much this. plus, while i know it's almost a cliche at this point, it bears repeating that had almost anyone else been in charge of Nazi Germany, they could easily have won the war. Hitler made SO many boneheaded mistakes, it's incredible.

If he actually got into art school and became a famous painter, it'd be a very different world. "Among my collection of early Matisses and Renoirs, I have a magnificent piece by Hitler."

Now good sir, tis a shame to put Hitler, Matisse and Renoir in the same collection.
Hitler´s use of perspective was simply a crime against mankind.

brilliant, sir, brilliant but on that note, i've read that while Hitler was quite talented at painting architecture and such, he was terrible at portraying life. so maybe it would be more likely to imagine him becoming a famous architect?

 

[Nevarion]

America would still hold the idea of isolation and wouldnt be the world power.

Japan would have its Imperial formula still kicking around.

Italy would still be facist.

Germany would probably be the new China (the up and comer thats going to dethrown American [i.e. Britain]).

China and most of hte countries in that area would most likely still be poor.

And Russia would be Russia. We probably wouldnt have had communism, or at least it wouldnt be so wide spread.

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And of course the Native People genocides would probably be the worst and most famous "Holocaust" (which was just a genocide) though which one would probably depend where you live.

Not to forget in the near east there would be no Israel and maybe an Arabian superpower instead.

 

[Daverson]

Germany would have become a communist state. WW2 would happen regardless, only rather than being the East and West uniting against fascism, it would have been a conflict between the capitalism and communism.

It'd be likely that a lot of European nations (particularly Britain) would have entered conflicts similar to the Spanish Civil War.

How that would end, I wouldn't care to say, my guess is the US would develop the atomic bomb before the Russians, but unlike Japan, Russia is pretty big, so the chances of them doing as much damage (proportionally) as the devices that ended the pacific conflict are pretty small...

On the plus side, it'd be probably be the actual "war to end all wars".

-If the West wins, the US and Japan's tensions would likely be resolved, in a similar manner to those between the US and Britain. (Japan would obvious side with the US against the Soviets, due to their ideological differences). Without the creation of Israel or Soviet intervention in the Middle East (which led to the creation of Hamas and Al-Qaeda, respectively), it'd likely be a much more peaceful place. The only real "hot spots" left in the world would be Yugoslavia and East Asia. Other than a slightly different global political situation, the world would be pretty similar to what we'd recognise now.

-If the East wins... the Soviet Union would be doomed to failure from the beginning, even with the worlds resources at their disposal, you couldn't fix a system like that. What happens then though, is the big question. The most likely outcome would be the rise a fascist state to replace it. Not exactly a utopia, but, hey, "World Peace", you get what you pay for, right?

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Maybe, though I think they would have to deal with the Italian army.

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I dontknow about that. America only got to have its army and power it has now through WW2, cause we were one of the major manufacturing plants for steel for tanks in Europe cause they were getting blown up, planes that were getting shot out of the air, and battleships getting sunk by the Japanese. If the US didnt have the manufacturing power it held, we would have folded like a deck of cards. And we wouldnt have hte tech we have now without the space race and need to figure out how to call them japs and nazis quicker.

... through you have to give it to the Americans we raised that seem to tell death the go fuck himself and went all balls crazy. The guys of the U.S.S. Enterprise included.

 

[Isaac The Grape]

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Maybe, though I think they would have to deal with the Italian army.

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I dontknow about that. America only got to have its army and power it has now through WW2, cause we were one of the major manufacturing plants for steel for tanks in Europe cause they were getting blown up, planes that were getting shot out of the air, and battleships getting sunk by the Japanese. If the US didnt have the manufacturing power it held, we would have folded like a deck of cards. And we wouldnt have hte tech we have now without the space race and need to figure out how to call them japs and nazis quicker.

... through you have to give it to the Americans we raised that seem to tell death the go fuck himself and went all balls crazy. The guys of the U.S.S. Enterprise included.

I...I'm...what? I can't understand the bottom half of your post.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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The bottom half is basically me patting the backs of all the American armed forces cause they were nuts. The Enterprise pretty much won that war in the Pacific.

 

[murderxthexcase]

I agree with a lot of what's going on above. Germany was in a serious state, with serious impositions placed upon them after WWI and the Treaty of Versailles. They had to give up a large amount of land, their economy was in chaos (you think this global recession is bad?) and people were losing faith with their country. Cue a nationalist party with good economic principles to swoop in and save the day, and the majority of the country are following some 'great political leader' who just so happens (would you believe it) to foster a particular hatred for certain social groups and we have the Holocaust all over again, even without Hitler. It could happen in any country, realistically. That's kind of what V For Vendetta was about, to a degree.