How would you dissuade someone from committing suicide?
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Tell them that they are f'd up individuals that are gonna make some poor slob wipe up their splattered body remains/brains from the floor because they "Can't go on living" and that they should at least leave the man a large payment. After which I walk out of the room and call the Janitor.
Someone who actually wants to commit suicide is more or less likely to go through with it with our without someone trying to stop it, and then their are dramawhores who just want some attention and to have other people pat them on the back when they make mistakes and tell them that they "mean so much to the world and to me" and those are the people that I seriously question if they deserve life or not.
Someone who actually wants to commit suicide is more or less likely to go through with it with our without someone trying to stop it, and then their are dramawhores who just want some attention and to have other people pat them on the back when they make mistakes and tell them that they "mean so much to the world and to me" and those are the people that I seriously question if they deserve life or not.
I certainly would NOT intervene!
Suicide is a valid thing to do with your life, if you wish to do so.
Suicide is a valid thing to do with your life, if you wish to do so.
Most of the time, somebodies claims of sucicidal tendencies are a cry for attention. The frist step should always be just to talk them through their problems. If however we're talking about someone preparing to jump, well there isn't always time for long speeches explaining why he is worthwhile in a world where no one is worthwhile. There are a few options available, you can simply ask them to step down and talk about it (but this rarely works) You can just watch them silently where they can see you. (at the end of the day if someone truely wants to be the biggest coward and top themselves there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.) Don't think that's going to work, climb up there with them and hold their hand and say three simple words "Are you ready?" That last one is from personal experince, that girl never even thought about doing something like that again.
Many of us take for granted the absence of constant physical torment. Though I could not possibly empathize with the toll she went through, I have been in physically painful situations where death would have been welcome, albeit they passed, but I can at least understand what she went through.BonsaiK said:
I guess in a deadlock circumstance such as that, we go one of two ways - deal with the pain, possibly through the application of pain killers and hope for a cure or end it on our terms. I won't say either is right or wrong, but rather I will state I do not wish anyone to be forced to make that decision.
Yet such is the fragility of human existence.
Hand them a Heavy Metal album. Might not work every time, but it changed my life. I was a douche in year 8. And it has helped so many people who were depressed. Heavy Metal is never about being alone, it makes you feel powerful, like you're part of something more. Because you really are. Trust me, and metalheads will know what I;m talking about, having experienced it.
Make a clear and imminent threat upon their own life, ie hold their head under water, try to strangle them, drag them towards a cliff edge. They always quickly find reasons to fight to live. Depression is above all things a sense of no control or "power" that can stem from numerous personal things of the individual(most you wont be able to fathom on the spot and will take years of counseling to deal with). That is the sick trap that is suicide, the depressed individual acts upon the power to destroy ones self.
So been that the person in my view was about to attempt to take their own life in front of me I would act as an imminent threat to their control of their own demise. But wouldn't advise a non aggressive person to choose this path.
So been that the person in my view was about to attempt to take their own life in front of me I would act as an imminent threat to their control of their own demise. But wouldn't advise a non aggressive person to choose this path.
If someone is really hellbent on suicide, there is really nothing you can do or say to change their mind. A truly suicidal person will generally not even talk about suicide(obviously there are exceptions). People who talk about suicide in passing or often, usually are seeking or need help of some kind, and/or attention.
First, ask them point blank if they are thinking of topping themselves. If so, they'll likely admit it. If not, then you get to look stupid, but whatever. Second, ask if they have a plan. If not, good news. That means they haven't given it too much thought yet. If so, then you'd do well to stay with them for a while. Try to get them to go to a councilor, at the very least, or talk out some of the troubles. Beyond that, keep an eye on them and do your best to help out.
And I agree with one of the posters above, who said that it isn't true that those who are hellbent on suicide are unstoppable. Unless it is a case where the person is chronically ill and they've made the choice in their right mind, you can almost always prevent it somehow since most people don't actually want to die, but instead feel like they have no other options or else don't know how to properly cope with the emotional pain they feel. Also, those saying "suicidal people are attention whores" would do well to educate themselves on suicide. There sure seems to be a lot of ignorance floating around this board, and that is rather dangerous, considering the stakes for some people.
And I agree with one of the posters above, who said that it isn't true that those who are hellbent on suicide are unstoppable. Unless it is a case where the person is chronically ill and they've made the choice in their right mind, you can almost always prevent it somehow since most people don't actually want to die, but instead feel like they have no other options or else don't know how to properly cope with the emotional pain they feel. Also, those saying "suicidal people are attention whores" would do well to educate themselves on suicide. There sure seems to be a lot of ignorance floating around this board, and that is rather dangerous, considering the stakes for some people.
First off, nice to see a lot of the usual attitudes to those with mental health issues here. It's easy to dismiss people as hopeless cases, excluding yourself from them and thus spare yourself the pain of seriously considering their problems, isn't it?
A very good friend of mine recently had a hard break-up (all her boyfriend's fault - broke up on the advice of a seance. The medium that said that is a sick, sick indivudual) and attempted to overdose - being stopped halfway through the bottle by the timely intervention of a family member. She sent a message saying, effectively, "Bye everyone" just before that and immediately locked off all messengers and I didn't have his phone number, so there was nothing I could have done directly.
Remember, a lot of suicides are caused by people acting irrationally. It is not rational to believe that death is the solution to a betrayal like that. While I accept that there are cases where suicide is justifiable - say, terminal illness - in nearly all cases barring severe clinical depression the situation of the person who was dissuaded will improve and they will come to realise how close they came to making a very bad decision.
Humans are not rational beings - logic is an alien thing, most (especially those who are already unstable) are swayed far more by emotional folly. While I respect everybody's choice to make a self-regarding bad decision, I still reserve the right to argue the case of life.
A very good friend of mine recently had a hard break-up (all her boyfriend's fault - broke up on the advice of a seance. The medium that said that is a sick, sick indivudual) and attempted to overdose - being stopped halfway through the bottle by the timely intervention of a family member. She sent a message saying, effectively, "Bye everyone" just before that and immediately locked off all messengers and I didn't have his phone number, so there was nothing I could have done directly.
Remember, a lot of suicides are caused by people acting irrationally. It is not rational to believe that death is the solution to a betrayal like that. While I accept that there are cases where suicide is justifiable - say, terminal illness - in nearly all cases barring severe clinical depression the situation of the person who was dissuaded will improve and they will come to realise how close they came to making a very bad decision.
Humans are not rational beings - logic is an alien thing, most (especially those who are already unstable) are swayed far more by emotional folly. While I respect everybody's choice to make a self-regarding bad decision, I still reserve the right to argue the case of life.
Speaking from personal experience on both sides (I've attempted and so did a family member) the best thing is to talk to them. If you suffer depression then going to commit suicide is a lot like a trance state where you arn't completly aware of what your doing and all you need is someone to snap you out of it or make it harder. This is why suicide by pills dropped when they limited how many packs of painkillers could be sold at once in the UK. I believe research has shown the trance lasts about 1/2 hour or so.
I have lost a friend to suicide, I've brought one back from the brink and I have had a lot of friends use sicidal claims as a scream for attention. There is a big difference and you can always tell. That is not to say that anyone should be ignored, not ever. The sad truth is though a lot of people who talk about suicide do not want to end it.chewbacca1010 said:
