How would you fix the Wii?

[Woe Is You]

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It was an intellectual thread in terms of the comments that were put out there by people who read the whole thing, understood and posted accordingly rather than flying off the handle because they are not used to Atheism being treated like every other Religion.

If there was anything intellectual in that thread, it sure as hell wasn't because of anything you said or did. Moving on...

Another thing that sort of irks me is the amount of different little attachments and accessories Nintendo puts out for their Wii games, some of them mandatory to enjoy games properly. Wiimotes are relatively cheap, but you have to buy nunchuks for them for certain games and soon you'll have to buy MotionPlus extensions to enjoy the new Wii Sports. That's a lot of money. And then there's the balance board. The classic controller for games like Geometry Wars. Gah! That was my reason for not getting a Wii.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I think the Wii is doing exactly what it was meant to do. Its simple and easy. It is going for a younger and more casual market.

It doesn't need HD because that would up the cost and casual gamers don't want to invest a lot.

It has a lot of junk games because Nintendo lets every idiot with a company publish games on it. This creates a wide market of people who like to play because no matter what they like, there is a game for it. Anything you can come up has probably been made and sold in some way even if its a junk idea. Additionally, sometimes those dumb games strike gold and make profit. The games do what there supposed to and create a large market of less devoted gamers. A lot of them fall away, but a portion stick and become regular gamers getting money for Nintendo. (They eventually grow up into elitist idiots who rave over X-box and PS3 superiority.) The games are targeted at a different audience, and that's why a lot of more complex gamers like the ones on this site don't like them.

The Wii doesn't need fancy Internet or communities because there a lot of newbies and guys who don't care that much. Newbies don't care because they have nobody to show off to yet. They have a small group of friends that they know personally (and can get friends codes from in person). The rest aren't into video games enough to care who's skill is better.

Hard drives and storage are also largely overlooked because casual gamers don't need these. when gaming is not serious business to them, why should they care about data?

The Wii is speciallized for a different audiance. Anyone who dosen't see that is blind and deaf. Just looking at the system and its advertiseing campaign tells you that. It's doing its job just fine.

Complex gamers are just complaining because the Wii isn't another system for them. In truth, its just going for a different audience. No need for fixing, you'd probably just wind up breaking it, or worst... turning it into an X-box 360 zombie clone(a red ring of death zombie*shudder*).

That said, the Wii is not above criticism. It does have issues, but you have to be sure that your issues with the system are not something that contribute to the nature of the system and its marketing strength.


That said, If Nintendo had the cash they might want to consider making a system for more advance players. Something with more horsepower that addresses the views of the hardcore gamers. Of course that's expensive and is probably down the road a ways when the next generation grows up to replace us. If your still reading this, and haven't responded with angry bile and spit, congrats.

 

[Woe Is You]

The Wii doesn't need fancy Internet or communities because there a lot of newbies and guys who don't care that much. Newbies don't care because they have nobody to show off to yet. They have a small group of friends that they know personally (and can get friends codes from in person). The rest aren't into video games enough to care who's skill is better.

Then again, everyone has friends outside of town, state or country in some cases.

I'm not even suggesting that it needs a system like in Live or like in PSN. But what I am asking for is that Nintendo would at least replace the code system with simple to use accounts. You'd think that would be a much better system for the newbies too than the current "I'll ask my friends for their Wii friend code and the friend code for game if we ever end up playing". And if you're setting out to do something, you might as well do it well rather than half-assed. There are no real benefits to using serials instead of accounts.

The excuse Nintendo has been using for this (by making it easier, they open the world to online bullying) doesn't fly, since the system at place currently makes it so that you don't see a person unless both have added their respective friend codes to the system. Now swapping the word "account" where the word "friend code" is wouldn't make a difference at all.

Also, the above is completely a software issue that wouldn't change nature of the system, its marketing strength or any of that. Same goes for improving netcode in their games, which would improve everyone's gaming experience and has nothing to do with turning the console into a 360 clone.

 

[data_not_found]

Release a new version that has a better processor, and integrate motion plus.

 

[Twilight_guy]

The Wii doesn't need fancy Internet or communities because there a lot of newbies and guys who don't care that much. Newbies don't care because they have nobody to show off to yet. They have a small group of friends that they know personally (and can get friends codes from in person). The rest aren't into video games enough to care who's skill is better.

Then again, everyone has friends outside of town, state or country in some cases.

I'm not even suggesting that it needs a system like in Live or like in PSN. But what I am asking for is that Nintendo would at least replace the code system with simple to use accounts. You'd think that would be a much better system for the newbies too than the current "I'll ask my friends for their Wii friend code and the friend code for game if we ever end up playing". And if you're setting out to do something, you might as well do it well rather than half-assed. There are no real benefits to using serials instead of accounts.

True. They could work on an account system. With a little work on infrastructure and a little elbow grease they could introduce a new system, but in order to protect the players they would still require both players to know which account they wanted to befriend, so now instead of friend codes they'd be getting account names. Essentially it's the same thing with names instead of random numbers, but at least you would pick the name and have all your friend codes under that one name.

 

[Woe Is You]

Essentially it's the same thing with names instead of random numbers, but at least you would pick the name and have all your friend codes under that one name.

Exactly this. This alone would be a huge leap in user-friendliness.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

Mario is a great company mascot because he's kid friendly, little kids look up at his games and can relate with him. What mascots have kids look up to on the PS3 and the Xbox? Master Chief??! That nameless girl from FFXIII? I don't think so.

Xbox = Master Chief or maybe a Lancer
PS3 = Ratchet and Clank

 

[oAmadeuso]

I cant see how it is broken, it can be improved like any console can.
They could make a Wii 1.5 would be HD support and 1:1 motion mapping.

The motion mapping is comming with the new attachment and the HD could be done with Scaled up geometry and
different texture versions on the same disk for the 1.0 machine.

As for those complaining about the casual family gamers, well thats the audience Nintendo have gone for and got.
There's 2 other "hardcore" consoles out there and the classic nintendo stable is still going with the marios and zeldas etc.

 

[Retrofraction]

if I was nintendo I would invest in the best hardware as possible for the next round, then I would buy out sega and capcom to make games just for me.

Then I would include 1:1 with the package, HD graphics that go to 1080P.
I would put a raid 0 (2: 50gb hds)
I would ether put a wireless N card in it or something that is not wireless B.
I would include a 1000mbs port in it.
I would have two video cards completely independent of each other for each processor.

the reason for next gen hardware is so that microsoft can't shank nintendo by adding motion controls.

 

[Retrofraction]

and I would add an os like steam

 

[oAmadeuso]

if I was nintendo I would invest in the best hardware as possible for the next round, then I would buy out sega and capcom to make games just for me.

Then I would include 1:1 with the package, HD graphics that go to 1080P.
I would put a raid 0 (2: 50gb hds)
I would ether put a wireless N card in it or something that is not wireless B.
I would include a 1000mbs port in it.
I would have two video cards completely independent of each other for each processor.

the reason for next gen hardware is so that microsoft can't shank nintendo by adding motion controls.

Problem is then all those casual gamers wont pay the hefty price tag for that bit of kit.
In fact it's going to be a bit of a hard sell getting them to upgrade at all so I think Nintendo might be the last to
upgrade. Remember their key group are not graphics whores and may not even know the difference between 1080P etc.

 

[Retrofraction]

yes I understand, but it is sort of pointless to wait till 2010-2012 to make the next system and not make it 1080p compatible(by then it should be cheeper to make a system that could do that). the key is not that people are graphic whores but the third party developers are a bunch of graphic whores( though there are a few good ones)

I once again state that the current wireless card in the wii is not up to my standards, while it does it jop it make the internet lame, and make lans an impossible for the average third party desingers. I tried the internet with a eather net port and it ran very well, while I could say that there is a big differnce between lan and wi-fi my dad owns an Xp core 2 deo laptop that runs the internet a ton faster with better download speeds.

I would develop the wii to have a better roughter detection system than the DS, not to say that the wii version is not better DS version but it is not amazingly better considering that it is a system pluged directly to the wall.

Overall I would be fine with including a eathernet card that is 100mbs instead of 1000mbs since the internet is more of some lame joke with a card that powerfull.

the wii does need an HD, but if you wanted to cut some prosscesing power I would consider useing two HD's with raid "0" this would double the data tranfure rate over any current system on the market exsept PC's ( since 4gb of ram is exspencive )

I would try to make sure that the new system is 64bit to take advantage of the two HD's and make graphics boost more.

I would put at least 2gb of dual channal ram

Video card could be some random thing that they did this time around but it has to be able to push itself 1080P, because if the 360 starts doing wii remotes nintendo is really sqreewed
unless microsoft messes it up some how.

I really don't see the 360 going any where even when the next gen comes to make sure nintendo cannot go cheep again.

nintendo needs to prove that their system is the one that people want to make games for...because that is what they have constantly messed up on exsept the (snes, nes)

ether they need to make a "super" system or they need to start buying out developers to ensure that they will get action from the big wigs in the developing market.

so ether they can do what I said at the top or they really need to get rid of old contracts that sony and microsoft have with companys like Valve, enix, Makers of doom, EA,and Konomi.

then they should worry about making a new system.

 

[Retrofraction]

The four things I think could be done for the Wii:

1) Storage. Nintendo have to either make the Wii compatible with USB harddrives or flashdrives, or improve how the Wii uses SD-cards. It should be possible to download games to and play them directly from an SD-card. Also, an "advanced mode" for the Wii's interface would be good for advanced users that want easier access to features such as memory managment.

2) While this may also have some negative effects, Nintendo should try showing off some of their games even in the very early stages of development. Although it makes sense for them to not want to show something that doesn't properly represent the final product, we've all seen how people whine about Nintendo not having any real announcement. But if this does happen, people should be prepared to have to wait for up to 2-4 years from the announcement to the game actually being released.

3) Big-name third party developers/publishers with deep pockets need to start truly paying attention to how the Wiimote works, so they'll know how to use it, and when not to. It seems that the very best efforts for both the Wii and the DS are by these small-time developers (such as High Voltage Software and Renegade Kid).

4) The consumers, or more specifically us "hardcore" gamers, have to actually support the developers who DO try to do something new and exciting (and good) with the Wii. Just look at Zack & Wiki, a game that didn't sell nearly as well as it should have. Take a chance and try something new, everyone. If we buy them, there will be more.

4 i agree completly I you see a copy of RE4 and you don't own one buy it as soon as possible so that there may be a chance that RE5 will be comming to the wii

 

[Retrofraction]

if I was nintendo I would invest in the best hardware as possible for the next round, then I would buy out sega and capcom to make games just for me.

Then I would include 1:1 with the package, HD graphics that go to 1080P.
I would put a raid 0 (2: 50gb hds)
I would ether put a wireless N card in it or something that is not wireless B.
I would include a 1000mbs port in it.
I would have two video cards completely independent of each other for each processor.

the reason for next gen hardware is so that microsoft can't shank nintendo by adding motion controls.

Even ignoring the rest of your ridiculous suggestions, but RAID 0?

Are you serious?

are you a dumb ass????????

raid "0" is going to be the shit on home condcels cause we all know that raid "1" is not worth it since it just copys both HD you would have considerably smaller storage capasity with more HD's msking the new system quite large for the sub par perfomance/size

Raid "0" has the space and speed people want, not just speed.
raid "0" with the new system would double the data bandwith from the cpu to the HD since it has two indepentint HD' controlers, thus making "installed games" load twice as fast or as fast as an single HD on a 64bit computer loads.

yes I am very serious because unlike the ps3's cell chip RAID is quite simple and cheep compared to nano prossecors. Plus the cell chip really can't do much with with one HD.

 

[Retrofraction]

If you did RAID '1' then you would need to spend more on bigger HD's to get the same storage capasitiy.

 

[Slayer_2]

Make some shooting games that don't suck, they don't need to be 2006 or older, just 2005, 2004, some good ones like Shadow Ops: Red Mercury, Quake 4, Quake 3, come on, WW2 is way overdone. Get some power. The wii is a BB gun, compared to the Xbox 360's pistol, compared to the PS3's assualt rifle, compared to the PC's rocket launcher.

 

[geizr]

I think the only thing broken on the Wii is the thinking that gets applied to it. This whole "hardcore" versus "casual" gaming thing is just the wrong approach to game design and development, in my opinion. Games are either excellent, good, decent, mediocre/half-assed, or shitty, and this is mostly dependent on the personal preferences of the player. This is independent of any "hardcore" or "casual" labeling that might be applied(chess is the most "hardcore" "casual" game you will ever play). If one can say there is an epidemic of "casual" crapware on the Wii, then I would think it's because developers making such games either aren't good at game design("casual" games do not, by necessity, have to be crappy), or they are just trying to cash-in on the Wii with half-hearted effort, which is really a very short-sighted strategy that is doomed to failure(Action-52 anyone?). No amount of additional technical wizardry(hard-drives, gigabit-ethernet, HD resolution, HDMI, etc., etc.) is going to make bad thinking work any better.

In my honest opinion, the Wii is a great system with fantastic potential because it actually does something new and different, making gaming active and intimately sociable(rather than the remote socialization of current online games). It may not be the best implementation, but at least it is a start in a refreshing direction. I would hate to see the whole concept die to short-sighted, in-the-box-thinking game developers.

 

[Rankao]

Keep Art Stylized, but allow for better anti-anti-aliasing and high resolution (I can't see what the hell is going on in the damn console)

Make Wii remote a lot more responsive. Encourage third parties to focus on unique game play.

Allow the Wii to come with a 10 packs of ecstasy.