Hows season 19 of South park going For You guys so far?

[JimB]

This season's kind of getting on my nerves. I could be misinterpreting the character, but PC Principal comes off to me as the creators complaining about feeling bullied, which they can kind of fuck off with. It comes off hypocritical to me.

 

[toonbro13]

This season's kind of getting on my nerves. I could be misinterpreting the character, but PC Principal comes off to me as the creators complaining about feeling bullied, which they can kind of fuck off with. It comes off hypocritical to me.

atleast we got tweek x craig out of it ^^

 

[johnnyboy2537]

This season's kind of getting on my nerves. I could be misinterpreting the character, but PC Principal comes off to me as the creators complaining about feeling bullied, which they can kind of fuck off with. It comes off hypocritical to me.

They've always said they hated liberals. I remember a while back one of them saying "I hate conservatives but I fucking hate liberals." It always seemed to be because of PC idiots who were rampant during the 90s and now it's coming out again because it couldn't stay dead the first time. They've always hated liberals and conservatives in general and have made fun of it in brutal ways.

 

[johnnyboy2537]

Not liking it. That episode about 'safe spaces' is probably the last one I'll watch, for a while at least They've gone from attacking easy targets for amusing reasons to attacking *really* easy targets for fairly nonsensical reasons. It's weird how many ostensibly liberal people like Matt and Trey seem to think their biggest threat comes from other liberals who have almost the same agenda. Their latest episodes seem to be not only defending a person's right to be a total arsehole (and I'll defend that right as well, up to a point), they seem to be veritably encouraging arseholes while demonising people who think it might be a good thing if some people weren't such arseholes all the time.

Because the left has gotten all censorship happy like it did in the 90s which they've never liked from anyone. Everyone seems to forget that Hillary Clinton was among the people trying to censor games. These people have been censoring and curtailing free speech left and right and South Park has always been offensive, of course they're going to go after them.

The problem with the PC crowd is they are utter hypocrites. They say "Try to be considerate of minorities, women, and people of color" before turning around and bashing white people(white men is their target most of the time) and anyone who disagrees with them or their tactics which are often despicable. It's worse on college campuses. Even in community colleges you have to be careful you aren't guilty of wrongthink around these people otherwise they can accuse of harassment or bigotry and either get you kicked out or make you a target of bullying from people in their group. It's terrifying and basically leads to these people being the only ones able to speak their mind on things.

 

[Erttheking]

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I'm going to have to ask for a citation on people getting kicked out of colleges for disagreeing with political correctness.

 

[johnnyboy2537]

I'm going to have to ask for a citation on people getting kicked out of colleges for disagreeing with political correctness.

I'd be disappointed if you didn't:
http://wkrn.com/2015/11/09/student-petition-asks-vanderbilt-to-suspend-conservative-professor/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/10/tcus-robust-commitment-to-free-speech-unless-it-offends-someone-on-the-internet/
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/conservative-muslim-student-mocks-liberals-gets-suspended-campus-paper-apartment-vandalized

Or if you're critical of something they like and work for a University newspaper they'll defund the newspaper: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2015/10/20/wesleyan-students-defund-paper/

Or if you're in Britain they'll deny you the right to speak there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11930441/Stepford-student-culture-threatening-free-speech.html

The worst part is the Universities are giving into the demands of these overgrown children: https://archive.is/3sJIl

I'm not conservative, like so many people try to label me as, and you don't have to be one to think this is just wrong.

 

[Erttheking]

I'm going to have to ask for a citation on people getting kicked out of colleges for disagreeing with political correctness.

I'd be disappointed if you didn't:
http://wkrn.com/2015/11/09/student-petition-asks-vanderbilt-to-suspend-conservative-professor/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/10/tcus-robust-commitment-to-free-speech-unless-it-offends-someone-on-the-internet/
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/conservative-muslim-student-mocks-liberals-gets-suspended-campus-paper-apartment-vandalized

Or if you're critical of something they like and work for a University newspaper they'll defund the newspaper: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2015/10/20/wesleyan-students-defund-paper/

Or if you're in Britain they'll deny you the right to speak there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11930441/Stepford-student-culture-threatening-free-speech.html

The worst part is the Universities are giving into the demands of these overgrown children: https://archive.is/3sJIl

I'm not conservative, like so many people try to label me as, and you don't have to be one to think this is just wrong.

The first is a petition that never went anywhere. I would also like to point out that there was a petition to have Anita arrested, and it got 7 times as many signatures.

https://www.change.org/p/federal-urge-the-us-to-arrest-ms-anita-sarkeesian-and-ms-zoe-quinn-for-violating-the-logan-act

Petitions are worthless if they're obviously not going to be heeded.

The second is suspension, which is not what I call kicking someone out of school.

The third is the man being suspended from the paper, not even school. The vandalism is horrible but that's not what you were claiming.

The fourth I can't really argue against.

Fifth In great Britian, that's the freaking law. They don't allow hate speech. That's pretty common in Europe

Sixth: The things that they disallowed were vandalism depicting hate speech, questioning whether someone should be a community leader based soley on arbitrary traits that have nothing to do with their leadership skills, and depicting minorities as less capable than the majority based on them being minorities. Uh. What's the problem here? Schools in general don't allow this kind of shit.

Also a lot of these news sources of yours are shockingly unprofessional. "Wesleyan Students Cut Funding for School Paper Because It Hurt Their Feelings"? Really? If you're criticizing someone for being immature, maybe don't act immature yourself papers. As such it makes it kind of hard for me to trust them. There's also the fact that only half of these seem to be things that are really worth getting worked up over, and none of them resulted in anyone getting expelled or fired, the most serious case was a suspension. Not to mention isolated cases do not a trend make. I mean, I don't claim that all Christains want to force their beliefs on me despite things like this happening

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/03/lawsuit-alleges-7-year-old-quizzed-on-religion-ordered-to-sit-alone-at-lunch-for-telling-classmates-he-didnt-believe-in-god/

and this

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/01/indiana-public-school-teacher-fired-for-being-an-atheist-files-lawsuit/

and this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/16/bible-man-cancelled_n_7076402.html

And I don't think the same thing about Muslims even though this happens

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/students-forced-to-recite-allah-is-the-only-god/

There's always going to be loonies on the fringes. The last thing we want to do is let them dominate the conversation. Plus lets not forget that there in some American states laws are being based to legalize discrimination against homosexuals and transexuals, but no laws being passed to legalize discrimination against people who are against political correctness.

 

[Almgandi]

Then again the treatment of Caitlyn Jenner has been leaving a bad taste in my mouth, not because I like Caitlyn, because really about her... She's kind of exactly what the trans community doesn't need for a spokesperson at the moment. It's they way that they're using her to retread all of the crappiest most tired transphobic jokes. Maybe rewatching the season later I'll be able to put distance there, it's still about the laziest and least justifiable joke type they can do.

What jokes exactly? My memory isn't what it used to be but the only way that they used her (as far as I can remember) is to push the idea that "blank" minority can't be bad because they are a minority (especially considering the amount of times they used the hit and run joke).

Edit: Huh. It seems like I didn't pay too much attention to the way she looked / talked in the show. So I guess that is kind of a low blow.

 

[Almgandi]

Then again the treatment of Caitlyn Jenner has been leaving a bad taste in my mouth, not because I like Caitlyn, because really about her... She's kind of exactly what the trans community doesn't need for a spokesperson at the moment. It's they way that they're using her to retread all of the crappiest most tired transphobic jokes. Maybe rewatching the season later I'll be able to put distance there, it's still about the laziest and least justifiable joke type they can do.

What jokes exactly?

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Its a lot of visual coding for "ugly tranny". You can see a ton of features on her that look out of place even in South Park - her shoulders are very broad, she has a lot of muscle on her arms, her legs being apart as they are which is a way that no character in the show stands like. I don't even need to go into the facial features. That said, they did spare the cock bulge and five o'clock shadow. And no, its not a parody of her because "its the way she looks". She looks nothing like that. There's a lot of potshots that they've could've made at Caitlyn Jenner and they did take a few. This one was at her for being transgender rather than any character flaw, though.

To be fair they did portray a transexual in the previous season as every other female adult (although they used her for a child rape joke so I guess you can't win them all). Also I am fairly certain they used fairly broad shoulders for some athlete characters in the show (up the down steroids i.e.), but I can't think of any example for characters with wide legs. Also I don't think they were necessarily aiming at transexuals but were just showing their dislike for Jenner by portraying her in an ugly way (hell they turned Romney into a shit spewing duck).

 

[aba1]

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I'm going to have to ask for a citation on people getting kicked out of colleges for disagreeing with political correctness.

You'd be amazed man I see stuff like that all the time. I had to take down my life drawings when I was in college the other year because the feminists were complaining that the female form is "rape culture". I had friends that had to go to lectures to be taught not to be rapists and racists because they were white and male etc. I was looking at case just the other day where a man here in Ontario is literally being taken to court for disagreeing with feminists on twitter. He isn't even allowed access to the internet now and it isn't like he was threatening anybody either even by the feminists own admission. He never ever broke the terms of service from twitter. I saw videos of students attacking a dean because he wasn't personally making sure peoples costumes at Halloween were "PC" enough.

Even here on this forum you can tell it bothers people that Catlin Jenner is being made fun of on South Park like she is somehow above criticism because she is trans or like she somehow represents all trans people which is moronic at best.

 

[Erttheking]

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I'm going to have to ask for a citation on people getting kicked out of colleges for disagreeing with political correctness.

You'd be amazed man I see stuff like that all the time. I had to take down my life drawings when I was in college the other year because the feminists were complaining that the female form is "rape culture". I had friends that had to go to lectures to be taught not to be rapists and racists because they were white and male etc. I was looking at case just the other day where a man here in Ontario is literally being taken to court for disagreeing with feminists on twitter. He isn't even allowed access to the internet now and it isn't like he was threatening anybody either even by the feminists own admission. He never ever broke the terms of service from twitter. I saw videos of students attacking a dean because he wasn't personally making sure peoples costumes at Halloween were "PC" enough.

Even here on this forum you can tell it bothers people that Catlin Jenner is being made fun of on South Park like she is somehow above criticism because she is trans or like she somehow represents all trans people which is moronic at best.

He's claiming that people are getting kicked out, there's a line between this and that. Can you give me more details on the white males thing? Because as a white male I felt like I benefited from being told that I have advantages over blacks and women, ones I didn't even know about. Yeah it wasn't fun to learn about, but it was helpful. And was it mandated? As in, they were forced to take that one course and no other course could get them the credits they need? As for the twitter thing, can I get a link to that? Because the weird thing about law is that you can take anyone to court over just about anything. The thing that decides it is if the judge actually wants to hear it. And these examples, are they overwhelming trends or more isolated examples? Because there are plenty of instances of the opposite happening, teachers being fired for being atheist and the like. There's going to be shitty things happening no matter where you look. Because human beings are really stupid when you get down to it.

People aren't criticizing the fact that she's being made fun of, they're criticizing making fun of her by dipping into tired and cliched jokes that poke fun of the fact that she's transgender.

 

[Breakdown]

Or if you're in Britain they'll deny you the right to speak there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11930441/Stepford-student-culture-threatening-free-speech.html

Fifth In great Britian, that's the freaking law. They don't allow hate speech. That's pretty common in Europe

Surely a British newspaper writing an article with the headline "'Stepford student' culture threatening free speech" suggests that this isn't a common occurrence, and that free speech is actually valued in the UK?

 

[Erttheking]

Or if you're in Britain they'll deny you the right to speak there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11930441/Stepford-student-culture-threatening-free-speech.html

Fifth In great Britian, that's the freaking law. They don't allow hate speech. That's pretty common in Europe

Surely a British newspaper writing an article with the headline "'Stepford student' culture threatening free speech" suggests that this isn't a common occurrence, and that free speech is actually valued in the UK?

No. Considering that one news article does not speak for the values of an entire nation, especially in a time where there is more than one widely accepted viewpoint. Also, popular or not, it IS still the law.

 

[Odbarc]

I miss the old early seasons (like I suppose we get with all shows) where they had less direct ties with recent events before they found their footing.
I wouldn't mind seeing some episodes that were self contained without any nods to recent events. Some of these episodes might not be relevant in the future for rerun rewatches and won't hold up their charm.

All the same, I'll continue to watch the latest episodes.